From personal research, I have learned a lot from this substance. No chemical ever drew my attention to it and I've done mostly anything, exception of crack, meth, mescaline and only a few others really [never injecting IM/IV though, can't tell you about that. Anyway, I wish this could be stickied so people could actually find it when they desired and I wouldn't have to repost it, etc.
First off I'd like to start off saying that its not the drug, its the person. There are always exceptions to ANYTHING. So don't go saying I'm wrong based on my personal experience. Second, it'll only be a matter of time before this wonder becomes blown up and more tightly controlled, and more expensive, so I consider myself blessed just knowing about it and having had my phase with it already. This is something I am writing a book about, not necessarily just about the substance, but with more behind it.
Okay, so originally my friend and I were getting this, now discovered severely overpriced, though we do not regret it a bit. It was more than worth it, just the knowledge and sense of accomplishment that came along with discovering so much about this got me higher than any drug or experience I've ever had. Last night I was high on knowledge. And I still am. From trial and lack of error [or secondhand anyway] I will present what I know.
Originally sold to us as "molly shards", we were instantly interested upon sniffing it, I did it orally a week or so before, but it wasn't anything like what it was sniffing it. I will follow that up by saying that sniffing this drug is a whole different ballgame, and better one in my opinion, than eating it, and sniffing it is where the addiction potential kicks in because it really doesn't last that long, in between the duration of MDMA and cocaine if I had to say, hence the constant redosing, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you do you your shit SMART. And by that, I never did more than a 100mgs in one line or chewing session. Yes, I have killed about a gram or so max'd out at, because I was mostly sniffing it and my nose got blocked up. I will add to that that I believe your maximum capacity for this substance is however much your nose will allow, and when it wont any longer, it is time to stop. Mine made sure I was safe, at least so it seems because that was always a signal that doing more was redundant. My connect actually max'd out at 3 grams in a day or so. He was doing it every day for a while though, and before you say "oh, its addicting", this is a guy who has an addictive personality as proven by him trying DMT and liking it so much that he smoked it so much so often for a day and a half that I think he gave everything up after that. As well he should've.
I started doing it quite frequently too, not gonna lie here. I noticed my intake rise to probably 5/7 days of the week and then I stopped, realizing what I was becoming. The most addictive part is the initial comedown, after sniffing them, where you want to blow more, which only lasts about as long as the high itself, but if you make it to the next day you feel almost "refreshed". No hangover effects WHATSOEVER, from what I've experienced, and after doing it more than half of the week, you would think I'd experience one right? As I've done 4MMC [mephedrone] in small quantities and felt like crap the next day. MDxx's make you feel worse the next day too, and this is why this is like the holy grail of party drugs. Perfect for ANYTHING, school, work, partying, life in general. Which is the downfall if there is any because you might start justifying your use with those, which is when it is time to calm down and reevaluate.
From experience, I'd have to say the neurotoxicity of this substance does not look to be THAT bad, not as bad as MDxx's, or 4MMC, methylone, etc. though I could be wrong, but you do not feel fried [not in the acid way]. You feel great. You will lose weight, and that is why you should always consume a healthy meal before administering. Physical negative effects haven't really been had by myself or anyone I know that has tried it, a great deal have by now too. I have never experienced stomach discomfort on it, much less vomiting, but I have read about it, and I conclude that that is an overdose of 4MEC. A good healthy dose which I'd say is 100mgs, max, until come off of at least, will only result in positive effects. No really bad cardio effects except maybe a bit more exercise on it, because all stimulants do to an extent.
I would add that this is probably best left to biweekly, to once a month usage, though it is easy to get caught up in a continual pattern with a stash of it, or knowing someone who does and hanging out with them constantly. Like I said, once you've comedown completely from it, then its not really addicting in my I'd say professional opinion, not to brag, but I think my research has been thorough enough to warrant that title.
Discovering that what we had been doing was 4MEC brought a sort of closure to the use of it because my friend and I had been wondering what the hell this was, and we looked it up before, but we just got fed up with the lack of info on it and decided to find out for ourselves and everyone else who wanted it, actually found out last night, also on LSD and ketamine. In a rush to spread the knowledge for ALL purposes of harm reduction and positive existence of this substance.
I am a full on psychonaut, and I am absolutely for mixing all kinds of ridiculous chemicals for positive effects, so I can tell you I've done 4MEC on LSD, ketamine, cocaine [did it on the 4MEC, and did 4MEC after too], DMT and xanax, as well as alcohol. ALL IN MODERATION. All except the alcohol I actually did in a night which was godly, I don't think I've ever have tripped that hard on DMT or will ever again, as I was in a lego jungle in my friend's apartment feeling like I was outdoors and well, just plain ridiculous. I do not suggest mixing it with other stimulants, as that isn't very healthy for you, nor with too many downers, but I feel like 4MEC can spicen nearly everything up for the better.
Most likely if you do experience a hangover, I'd say check what else you ingested because its most likely not the 4MEC. It might also have to do with the purity, what my peoples were getting it was straight transparent crystal shards which I assume is the highest quality it could get.
Finally, like I said, EVERYONE is different, and there are always exceptions. This is just what me and the circle of people I know have experienced. If I had to give this substance a grade, I'd give it and A, only because the only real chemical that deserves an A+ is LSD, and well, 4-ACO-DMT. But this is right behind those, I believe. Hallucinogens are in a league of their own I'd say though, but they all rate differently. I hope this doesn't get deleted as it took some time and knowledge and much research to develop. Be safe, be good, and don't fuck this chemical up for others with your bullshit. Start small, stay small. People die from being stupid, I believe drug overdose cases are kind of Darwinian, natural selection at it's pinnacle. Just prevent yourself from becoming a statistic and a cause of any ban or negative press on the part of this.
That is all, thanks. I don't think I'll be doing 4MEC, or any other MDxx type replicas much anymore, after this I feel so fucking accomplished, it would only be detrimental to ruin such awesomeness that came about with it. Oh, and I'll be honest, there is a way to cut the 4MEC shards, surprisingly, I didn't think it possible until I saw
which you can find in any food stores I think. So if your shit tastes salty, I'd smack a mother****er up. I'd say the real taste is sort of off licorice. And quite bitter, easy to identify by the slight drip and taste. Eat it first if its from the street. From an online vendor it might still be a good idea to, too.
Thank you for your time.
First off I'd like to start off saying that its not the drug, its the person. There are always exceptions to ANYTHING. So don't go saying I'm wrong based on my personal experience. Second, it'll only be a matter of time before this wonder becomes blown up and more tightly controlled, and more expensive, so I consider myself blessed just knowing about it and having had my phase with it already. This is something I am writing a book about, not necessarily just about the substance, but with more behind it.
Okay, so originally my friend and I were getting this, now discovered severely overpriced, though we do not regret it a bit. It was more than worth it, just the knowledge and sense of accomplishment that came along with discovering so much about this got me higher than any drug or experience I've ever had. Last night I was high on knowledge. And I still am. From trial and lack of error [or secondhand anyway] I will present what I know.
Originally sold to us as "molly shards", we were instantly interested upon sniffing it, I did it orally a week or so before, but it wasn't anything like what it was sniffing it. I will follow that up by saying that sniffing this drug is a whole different ballgame, and better one in my opinion, than eating it, and sniffing it is where the addiction potential kicks in because it really doesn't last that long, in between the duration of MDMA and cocaine if I had to say, hence the constant redosing, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you do you your shit SMART. And by that, I never did more than a 100mgs in one line or chewing session. Yes, I have killed about a gram or so max'd out at, because I was mostly sniffing it and my nose got blocked up. I will add to that that I believe your maximum capacity for this substance is however much your nose will allow, and when it wont any longer, it is time to stop. Mine made sure I was safe, at least so it seems because that was always a signal that doing more was redundant. My connect actually max'd out at 3 grams in a day or so. He was doing it every day for a while though, and before you say "oh, its addicting", this is a guy who has an addictive personality as proven by him trying DMT and liking it so much that he smoked it so much so often for a day and a half that I think he gave everything up after that. As well he should've.
I started doing it quite frequently too, not gonna lie here. I noticed my intake rise to probably 5/7 days of the week and then I stopped, realizing what I was becoming. The most addictive part is the initial comedown, after sniffing them, where you want to blow more, which only lasts about as long as the high itself, but if you make it to the next day you feel almost "refreshed". No hangover effects WHATSOEVER, from what I've experienced, and after doing it more than half of the week, you would think I'd experience one right? As I've done 4MMC [mephedrone] in small quantities and felt like crap the next day. MDxx's make you feel worse the next day too, and this is why this is like the holy grail of party drugs. Perfect for ANYTHING, school, work, partying, life in general. Which is the downfall if there is any because you might start justifying your use with those, which is when it is time to calm down and reevaluate.
From experience, I'd have to say the neurotoxicity of this substance does not look to be THAT bad, not as bad as MDxx's, or 4MMC, methylone, etc. though I could be wrong, but you do not feel fried [not in the acid way]. You feel great. You will lose weight, and that is why you should always consume a healthy meal before administering. Physical negative effects haven't really been had by myself or anyone I know that has tried it, a great deal have by now too. I have never experienced stomach discomfort on it, much less vomiting, but I have read about it, and I conclude that that is an overdose of 4MEC. A good healthy dose which I'd say is 100mgs, max, until come off of at least, will only result in positive effects. No really bad cardio effects except maybe a bit more exercise on it, because all stimulants do to an extent.
I would add that this is probably best left to biweekly, to once a month usage, though it is easy to get caught up in a continual pattern with a stash of it, or knowing someone who does and hanging out with them constantly. Like I said, once you've comedown completely from it, then its not really addicting in my I'd say professional opinion, not to brag, but I think my research has been thorough enough to warrant that title.
Discovering that what we had been doing was 4MEC brought a sort of closure to the use of it because my friend and I had been wondering what the hell this was, and we looked it up before, but we just got fed up with the lack of info on it and decided to find out for ourselves and everyone else who wanted it, actually found out last night, also on LSD and ketamine. In a rush to spread the knowledge for ALL purposes of harm reduction and positive existence of this substance.
I am a full on psychonaut, and I am absolutely for mixing all kinds of ridiculous chemicals for positive effects, so I can tell you I've done 4MEC on LSD, ketamine, cocaine [did it on the 4MEC, and did 4MEC after too], DMT and xanax, as well as alcohol. ALL IN MODERATION. All except the alcohol I actually did in a night which was godly, I don't think I've ever have tripped that hard on DMT or will ever again, as I was in a lego jungle in my friend's apartment feeling like I was outdoors and well, just plain ridiculous. I do not suggest mixing it with other stimulants, as that isn't very healthy for you, nor with too many downers, but I feel like 4MEC can spicen nearly everything up for the better.
Most likely if you do experience a hangover, I'd say check what else you ingested because its most likely not the 4MEC. It might also have to do with the purity, what my peoples were getting it was straight transparent crystal shards which I assume is the highest quality it could get.
Finally, like I said, EVERYONE is different, and there are always exceptions. This is just what me and the circle of people I know have experienced. If I had to give this substance a grade, I'd give it and A, only because the only real chemical that deserves an A+ is LSD, and well, 4-ACO-DMT. But this is right behind those, I believe. Hallucinogens are in a league of their own I'd say though, but they all rate differently. I hope this doesn't get deleted as it took some time and knowledge and much research to develop. Be safe, be good, and don't fuck this chemical up for others with your bullshit. Start small, stay small. People die from being stupid, I believe drug overdose cases are kind of Darwinian, natural selection at it's pinnacle. Just prevent yourself from becoming a statistic and a cause of any ban or negative press on the part of this.
That is all, thanks. I don't think I'll be doing 4MEC, or any other MDxx type replicas much anymore, after this I feel so fucking accomplished, it would only be detrimental to ruin such awesomeness that came about with it. Oh, and I'll be honest, there is a way to cut the 4MEC shards, surprisingly, I didn't think it possible until I saw
which you can find in any food stores I think. So if your shit tastes salty, I'd smack a mother****er up. I'd say the real taste is sort of off licorice. And quite bitter, easy to identify by the slight drip and taste. Eat it first if its from the street. From an online vendor it might still be a good idea to, too.
Thank you for your time.
