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European MDMA vs. American

Fuck's sake... MDMA is MDMA is MDMA. Pills may be good, shite or indifferent. But pills ain't pure MDMA - it's those added chemical extras (that are definitely not MDMA but may or may not be welcome adulterants) along with good ol' set and setting (and perhaps a few rosy bi-focals) that make the difference. I'll defend the honour of proper peevee being long gone till I look very silly indeed but MDMA is as good as it ever was. When you can find it.

PS: Don't even try to pull the "I'm proper oldskool so you kidz know shit" card cos it just ain't true, Dee. I'm of similar vintage and am having none of these issues. And I'm not alone in that. But maybe I get extraordinarily lucky on a fairly regular basis year in and year out... Woot! Ain't I just the lucky (or possibly happily deluded) one :D
 
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what issues? im taking mdma and enjoying it. i dont ever rememebr once taking something since december and saying i havent had a good time or i havent taken mdma. were asking why the unpredicatbility and difference all of a sudden in feeling, with untampered with whole crystals.

i could go out now and come back and plonk at least four maybe even five different crystals on the table here right now, and i no they are all mdma, so why the difference. instead of jumping down my throat which im quite suprised with you actually shambles, why didnt you read the argument properly instead of just assuming im complaining about mdma.

im not overdoing it in the quantity stakes in a session thats for sure compared to 99 per cent of people
 
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Other than that batch of (in my opinion) the only definite MDEA crystal I've ever come across a while back I'm still not seeing what anyone's fussing about. MDMA crystal is as good and feels identical to how it was the first time a mate of mine scored some off Fluke circa 1992 (late bloomer :o). I was a latecomer to pills around the same time (and said pills were way "stronger" than said crystal cos said pills were 50% MDA and dosed at 250mg either side). That makes me semi-oldskool at best I must admit ;)

Have heard that theory about a big change in MDMA when precursors of yore got changed but that was fuckin' years ago and I honestly never noticed any change then or now. And still don't.

Feel free to send me some samples as examples to make me eat my words though ;)
 
are you talking about that dirty grey heavy shit that appeared last may i got the unfortunate opportunity of roadtesting you think is mdea?
 
and i personally noticed that change in feeling in the 90's shambles, way before information was available to research it. im being 100 per cent serious here, and i can tell you when that exactly was for me, when the very first mitsubishis appeared in the uk, i cant give you an exact date, but it was probally moving into mid 90's by then, maybe just before, somwhere around that time. and thats when the precursers started becoming more heavy duty industrial and coming from china? correct? or am i misinformed or wrong?
 
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Nup - that's precisely the theory I've heard from many folk whose thoughts and opinions I most certainly can't dismiss as being rose-tinted raver kiddiez... At least I don't disagree with those folk on just about every other issue but I have always done so on this one. I have honestly never noticed a change. But I may well be deeply insensitive to the subtle nuances of sensation other very reputable folk (and ever old geezers like yerself ;)) and have totally missed something huge somewhere along the line.
 
Shambles said:
Nup - that's precisely the theory I've heard from many folk whose thoughts and opinions I most certainly can't dismiss as being rose-tinted raver kiddiez... At least I don't disagree with those folk on just about every other issue but I have always done so on this one. I have honestly never noticed a change. But I may well be deeply insensitive to the subtle nuances of sensation other very reputable folk (and ever old geezers like yerself ;)) and have totally missed something huge somewhere along the line.
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those first mitsubishis of course where mdma, no one would deny that fact.

imo they felt like they had been made differently, somewhat more crude, and had a more large scale industrial feel to them. they certainly turned round and punched you in the face anyway =D

has anyone ever stopped to think, and possibly dare i say even given benefit of the doubt to people like me, and maybe thought its possible "some" not all people, may be very sensitive and able to feel differences depending on these type of factors ie, synth methods, precursors used etc etc
 
a 150mg drop of uncut mdma crystal could =


65% purity crystals = 97.5mgs

70% purity crystals = 105mgs

75% purity crystals = 112.5mgs

80% purity crystals = 120mgs

85% purity crystals = 127.5mgs

90% purity crystals = 135mgs

95% purity crystals = 142.5mgs


intersting
 
Good point, well made, not gonna argue.

Most of the MD crystal I've sampled in recent years made it down to me from yon hippies in the hills round here that make it by the bathtub and supply large swathes of the country. Or did. Timez iz tuff and bust hurt. Wonder what happened to all that crystal that was being chipped out of bathtubs with chisels and clean as any MD I've seen or sampled in all my years went... Maybe I just shot it all away one night. Doh! Clumsy fuck me sometimes :!
 
I have tried to find a link I posted ages ago with an interview with Richard West, aka Mr C, and this during the so called drought in the UK, and in that interview he states that mdma is as good as it has ever been.

That is science enough for me =D=D
 
i spent enough time in the end and AKA in its time, post the link, id be interested to read it.

gotta love how the scene went shit in the early 90's for a bit, and how he actually brought out the track ebneezer good in 1992 to coincide with the return of decent real stuff again, when the mda snowballs reared there beautiful yet ugly heads, and various other goodies. and it went to number one in the charts, lol

hes a cheeky so and so.

and i luuuved aka and the end, alas no more :(
 
argghhhhh this is the only interview that I can find atm, where he mentions mdma

http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2010/06/dj_qa_a_few_questions_for_the.php

There is one though, in which he states that there are chemists out there doing a good job etc and it is as good as it ever has been :) I posted it a long time ago on bluelight, but cannot find it and have tried using a lot of key words and combinations.
 
specialspack said:
MDMA is MDMA. If you are consistently getting very different effects from the same batches, then they are not the same substances. Either the synthesis is poor, or they are a mixture of chemicals, or not MDMA at all.

The bottom line, as ever, is you have no idea what's in the pills or powder you are consuming. Have you tested them with an EZ test kit?
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except when it's missing an R isomer due to a shite piperonal synth, in which case you get a half-baked high.
 
Am right out in the sticks here so know nowt about the club scene and never did. All free parties and "homebrew" around here really. That homebrew was in somewhat substantial quantities and made quite widespread for quite some time. Apparently. To be honest that crowd are kinda a bunch of wankers really. Have certainly never been part of the scene, as it were. But neighbours iz neighbours. And they had fuckloads of blinding quality MDMA. GC/MS tested at 85-90% purity last time someone I knew got busted. And he did admit to me that he'd cut it a tad himself before selling it on. Then the drought. Busts are a bitch it seems. But things seem to be finally picking up a bit. We can but hope. But there will always be outstanding quality MDMA around somewhere. Possibly down the back of the sofa sometimes. But always somewhere and always good. Imo, ime, lsd, dmt, oobe, xtc, etc.
 
jimboid1 said:
except when it's missing an R isomer due to a shite piperonal synth, in which case you get a half-baked high.
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you are my new best friend, hello :)

im crap with science and putting it in words. thanks

i have very much been enjoying mdma since december again, im taking a break again now though.

i seriously believe i must be very sensitive and can detect different synth methods or precursor chems used or something along those lines

its all mdma of course, but like discussed earlier those mitsubishis that firstc ame round in the 90's, and other stuff too, u can detect this much more crude, harsh, toxic, feeling to it

even though the drugs the same, u can just tell somethings changed about it.

i find some of the feelings quite sinister compared to others. like a bastard alien lovechild of md has been born.

is weird
 
yep you are crap with science hence not being able to detect what the poster is saying is not really possible

you are just a past his prime prima-donna who wants to spend his remaining years whining about how the old days were better than these rather than attempting to have fun.

*deep breaths*
 
do you expect me to bite back evad?

i have a bit more common sense

and as were on the subject of reading what posters say, then youd no ive been enjoying mdma

not sure if you think by resulting to insults, youll get a laugh and a slap on the back from others, or possibly even a rise out of me, but please free to carry on, im sure you will regardless anyhow...

your only showing your true colours for all to see really arent you
 
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i don't expect anything dee dee, i quite like you and thought you may be able to handle a friendly ribbing
 
dee_dee said:
im still at a lost cause, because apart from one session over xmas where i was a little greedy, all the times ive personally tried crystals from may last year up until last weekend, ive taken small dabs upto a point where ive been satisfied.

and up until 1990ish it never felt so unpredictable to me, and thats even making allowances for mdea appearing around that point

it goes on, blah blah blah.

if you really want to argue science with people, maybe you should be doing so with some of the more hardcore uk raver atttitude types you laugh and joke with on here, knocking pills back like smarties, and then saying this products amazing or this prducts shit or weird, not somone thats going into things open minded and taking a couple of pills in a session now and then or dabbing there way up with crystals
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Well I'm guessing you didn't really get MDMA crystal before 1990 right? So you were more likely to get a decent dose.

Dabbing MDMA will result in poor high because you need to get the right dose in one hit with a delayed release ike a good quality capsule.

Trust me dude. Take 125mg in a sudefed capsule and feel the difference.
 
Wut? I eat MD crystal, I snort MD crystal, I plug MD crystal, I inject MD crystal. All works just the same as it should. Not seeing where/why/how a delayed release should or would or could make all that big a difference, to be honest. But all at once whichever ROA you prefer to be sure. But am probably a lil rough around the edges when it comes to such things it seems...
 
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