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hi brightonhead am based in glasgow and if you have weans and you go for a maintenance script your fkd its a automatic referral to social work and they look into everything its called shared information with school housing doctors police council,

Cheers for that. Wow: I've got information overload... It seems that there isn't a simple answer to my question and that it all depends on where and who you are and which DW you get. It's been great to get all these responses to my question. It's stopped me from just marching in there and fucking everything up. I think that it's too risky for me to go to the DDU: I'm going to find another way. The last thing I want to do is turn a bad situation into a disaster by having social services knocking on the door and for them to be the ones telling my wife that her husband has gone back on the smack and that they need to inspect the kids to decide whether they will let them stay at home.... God, it's making angry to even think about it...

I can see that they have a job to do and that some people, when they've got habits, absolutely shouldn't be allowed to bring up kids in all the madness and danger that comes to some people when they're into crack and smack. But, like people have said in this thread, not everyone lives completely chaotic and dangerous lives with drugs. Every case should assessed on a case-by-case basis and decisions like whether to inform the children's welfare people should only be made once the situation has been looked into.

I'd be absolutely kidding myself if I thought I was a better dad with drugs: I'm not, I'm more selfish, I'm lazy and I don't tell the truth when I'm using. I also obviously spend money on drugs which could be spent on the family. But in no way do I endanger my kids: I keep them safe and provide for them, I earn enough to pay for my tiny habit without having to cut back on anything for the family. I think as you get older your priorities change and I certainly don't use smack like I used to when I was in my teens or 20s. Nowadays it's more about just taking enough to be able to work and sleep. I can't bring myself to use needles any more: they terrify me, which is weird because for more than ten years I couldn't use any other way, but now the idea of OD'ing and leaving my kids with no dad totally puts me off banging-up.

Anyway... I'm going to have a go at stopping without the DDU's help!
 
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@brightonhead, I've had shit with the clinic telling social services everything. It's even got to the point where if I use the exchange at the clinic they grass me up. This all resulted from a custody hearing and the bitch grassing me up in court. The thing is I've worked all my life, never robbed, always got a clean house, kids well clothed, and never used or been cabaged in front of them.
It pisses me off when it's ok to get bladdered on ale, but have a toot or a hit and you are deemed to be neglecting the little uns. Prejudice and Discrimination is what you can expect from Addaction (the "franchise" of clinics round our way, I believe they are national aswell god forbid!!)
 
@brightonhead, I've had shit with the clinic telling social services everything. It's even got to the point where if I use the exchange at the clinic they grass me up. This all resulted from a custody hearing and the bitch grassing me up in court. The thing is I've worked all my life, never robbed, always got a clean house, kids well clothed, and never used or been cabaged in front of them.
It pisses me off when it's ok to get bladdered on ale, but have a toot or a hit and you are deemed to be neglecting the little uns. Prejudice and Discrimination is what you can expect from Addaction (the "franchise" of clinics round our way, I believe they are national aswell god forbid!!)

Addaction used to provide the drug services around Cambridgeshire but they lost their contract to a new lot called Inclusion.
Used to have quite a few problems with Addaction but Inclusion have been good to me so far but the nurse there did get my mates script reduced without his consent.
Although the service name changed I still kept the same keyworker,some staff left and some new staff were bought in during the changeover.
Luckily for me I seemed to get left pretty much alone as long as I attend a keyworker once a month or so and a doctors appt once every 3 months.
I don't understand how you can't get yours to sign a Data Protection form stating who they can and can't share your information with.
I signed one saying they can only share information with my personal GP and not the jobcentre,council or anybody else.
 
@blondin

May I ask how long you have been doing gear for?

Also if you discount the last couple of years, has the quality of heroin gone down since you started doing it?

30 years or there abouts - the best gear was in the early 80's pretty much pure from Iran - since then its been much the same average about 40% sometime a bit better the bast time was at the end of the 90's b4 the yanks went i to afghanistan and the taliban wanted money so gear in london was really cheap .6 for a score 30 quid for a g 170 a Q this was about a year or so until the taliban had stocked piled/sold enough and came over all religious and we had a mini drought in 2001. The gear i get now and have been through out most of the drought has been 40% min but comes in from pakistan not via turkey (the turks ran the heroin for the whole of the 90's and 00's and the yardies sold it - in the main) the big players in turkey got busted so that was one of the reasons for the drought.
Trouble is its double bubble now but id rather pay 90 a g and it be proper than 50 for 10-12% crap.
 
As I mentioned, it was in a custody hearing when I was grassed up, this involved me getting hair strand tests and seeing social sevices and key workers liaising with social services.
Addaction have only been on the scene here for 12 month and they have made a royal fuck up of how it used to be. We now have alcoholics and court orders at the clinic where as previously it was only drug users who sought the help. It used to be called the lighthouse project and before that it was merseyside drugs council.. I was told last time I went that whereas lighthouse was focused on harm reduction, Addaction are wanting to get long term matinance scripts reduced and eventually fucked off (to which the orange book was mentioned and me telling them to show me where it says that is government policy).
Since they took over we have to go between 3 buildings, each as far away in the town centre as they could have possibly planned it to get our scripts, and appointments with key workers more or less means that you will see someone different each time.
A load of new staff where brought in, who ain't got a jar of glue to what's going on and the old old time staff fuckin hate the way it's become and know it just ain't gonna work!!
 
@brightonhead, I've had shit with the clinic telling social services everything. It's even got to the point where if I use the exchange at the clinic they grass me up. This all resulted from a custody hearing and the bitch grassing me up in court. The thing is I've worked all my life, never robbed, always got a clean house, kids well clothed, and never used or been cabaged in front of them.
It pisses me off when it's ok to get bladdered on ale, but have a toot or a hit and you are deemed to be neglecting the little uns. Prejudice and Discrimination is what you can expect from Addaction (the "franchise" of clinics round our way, I believe they are national aswell god forbid!!)

Cheers mate, thanks. Yup. I'm hearing quite a lot of this sort of thing, about Addaction. I'm going to avoid them all if I can. Yup, I'm the same. I've always been a reasonable parent, despite of my drugs use, which is on and off now I've got kids. It seems like those organisations, Addaction, etc, aren't really catering for drug users who aren't totally chaotic. I remember once, must have been 20 years ago, going to a DDU to ask for a script and the DW turning me down outright, saying to me, 'well, I see a lot of people every day here and you are functioning very well in comparison, I'd say you're not at the "addicted" stage yet'. I was as addicted as anyone else, and using quite heavily, but just because I worked, and had a flat, and my life hadn't, yet, totally fallen apart, they refused me a script. It was like they wanted me to go away and come back when everything had gone tits up, when the 'proper' signs of addiction were in place. There ought to be a middle-ground place which can step in and accept that there are people who can manage perfectly well with a certain level of drug use but might, at times, need help in balancing that and getting a source of unadulterated drugs, thereby getting us out of the dealer/crime loop, and helping to keep us productive. But unfortunately we live in a deeply moral society who can't quite bring themselves to cater for other ways of living.
 
Addaction used to provide the drug services around Cambridgeshire but they lost their contract to a new lot called Inclusion. .

I was in Cambridgeshire for the whole of the 80's and 90's and I always went to the Mill Road DDU, Dr London and his lot. I did all my using round the Mill Road and into Arbury and Cherry Hinton. Did you ever go to the Mill Road DDU? I can't even remember the name of the place now... Something like Brookfields? Is that place not there any more then?
 
I was in Cambridgeshire for the whole of the 80's and 90's and I always went to the Mill Road DDU, Dr London and his lot. I did all my using round the Mill Road and into Arbury and Cherry Hinton. Did you ever go to the Mill Road DDU? I can't even remember the name of the place now... Something like Brookfields? Is that place not there any more then?

Never went to the place on Mill Road cos I live in Huntingdon not Cambridge.
Used to go over to Cambridge a lot in the late 90's and early noughties and we would quite often go and score on the Arbury estate.
I remember one flat we used to go to you would just knock on door,wait for letterbox to open then tell them what you wanted and stick the cash through the letterbox and 30 seconds later your order would be handed to you, all the business done through the letterbox.
Was quality white and brown in those days and if you bought two brown you got a little bit of free white thrown in with it. Good times.
 
@blondin I know what your saying, but still it must infuriate (if thats such a word) you paying that knowing how cheap it was. I was paying £30 a gram £60 a teenth for gear straight off the kellog. And now Im having to resort to £20 bags, simply because it winds me up the prices that nobheads round our way are asking for decent (plus i dont think id trust the dicks who are doing it nowadays). I know its the same all over the fuckin country but I cant belive that someone isnt laughing their tits off at what we are paying. Ive said it before and ill say it again smack is a rich mans drug nowadays.

How much is a g of coke now? genuine question cos i dont know....
 
Yes, Brightonhead, the Mill House is still there, albeit made to look more like a prison during the Addaction reign, and Inclusion plan to move to the north of the city in the near future

Dr London, like so many of the good, was struck down in his prime with blood disease and obliged to take early retirement. He's still alive and cheerful despite the chemo, and both fondly remembered and sadly missed by user survivors of that era.

Is it there or Brighton you now live? If the former, you'd have to give the impression of being a terrible father to neglected kids for the present regime to sic the ss on you. Only a rogue operative via a back door whisper is likely to cause you family grief, and that's not very likely at all. Do what you think is best, without fear, and good luck again.
 
Around here. Mediocre coke costs 100 quid a gramme. But I'd not hit any higher than 250mgs - unless I had a death wish.

The gear costs 70 quid. But you can pin half a g in one and not come remotely close to dying. (Excluding those with zero tolerance).

You may as well save your cash Cornish and treat yourself to something worth having.
 
Yes, Brightonhead, the Mill House is still there, albeit made to look more like a prison during the Addaction reign, and Inclusion plan to move to the north of the city in the near future

Dr London, like so many of the good, was struck down in his prime with blood disease and obliged to take early retirement. He's still alive and cheerful despite the chemo, and both fondly remembered and sadly missed by user survivors of that era.

Is it there or Brighton you now live? If the former, you'd have to give the impression of being a terrible father to neglected kids for the present regime to sic the ss on you. Only a rogue operative via a back door whisper is likely to cause you family grief, and that's not very likely at all. Do what you think is best, without fear, and good luck again.

Ahhh, fond memories of the place. Yes, I'm in Brighton now, but was in Cambridge for 30 years. Dr London, I'm glad he's ok. He was a straight talker: no bullshit. I used to often have to see Dr McConnorchy (no idea how to spell it!), a female doctor who was a bit scatty, to say the least. She was less good... My key workers were Adrian, at one time, and Graham, at another time. I liked them both a lot. Yes, my lasting memory of the Mill House will forever be sitting in endless groups, with five or six other addicts, being made to sit through discussions on 'long term coping strategies' and the like and being desperate for it to end so that we could all chip in, get a few bags of gear, and go and have a gouch at my mate's place at the Argyle Street Housing Coop. The Mill House... I'll have to go back there one day, for old times' sake. We probably knew some of the same people (we may even know each other). Cambridge had such a small group of regular junkies. Everyone knew everyone really. I'm in my mid-forties now so was really using there from 1986 to 2000. Before that I was a punk and used to hang out in Lion Yard, drinking cider!, and go to the gigs at the Sea Cadet Hall and Fisher Hall. Good memories. I still a couple of guys hanging around town when I go back, still doing the same thing. I never really got as deeply back in to the smack scene after I left town, but I go back into smack from time to time. Usually ending up completely miserable until I stop again! Oh well, such is life.... Good to be in contact with another Cambridge person. I don't know if you know a good friend of mine (I won't say names but he famously was arrested with a girl in Thailand, if you him you'll know who I mean!) but I'm back in contact with him again and he's full of great memories about Cambridge.
 
Brightonhead..ah, the old hardcore punks, great fellas and wonderful subjects for a "where are they now?" show. Didn't know the Thai fighter myself but he was close friends with the gang to whom I bequeathed my supersquat when I moved on. Given the regal treatment and a double dose as befitting a man used to the pure on his first visit on arrival home, he promptly keeled over in the shower,.which was a homecoming lesson in thedifferences between brown and Asian white. By all accounts, a man who knew how to keep his head under heavy pressure and where to focus his energy. I'm sure you've heard both urban myth and the real interesting true tales but, of course, the best stories are those best kept under wraps.
 
sometime a bit better the bast time was at the end of the 90's b4 the yanks went i to afghanistan and the taliban wanted money so gear in london was really cheap .6 for a score 30 quid for a g 170 a Q this was about a year or so until the taliban had stocked piled/sold enough and came over all religious and we had a mini drought in 2001.

That period of 97/2000 imo was when the gear on the street was the strongest . It was £90 a 8th in BRistol . After that 2001 drought it never got better than that . It did get good but those few years were ridiculously easy to hook up for good product.
 
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