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yeah charlie it happened in 2008 , the addicts like me who were on dhc and functioning keeping an excellent job offshore for years with no complaints or problems only praise and promotion ended up losing our jobs as we had no option but to go ct ,tkin h offshore wasnt summin i would do, all the others now gotclean small % 4-5 maybe , rest ended up doing whatever they had to till they got onto a meth script thru substance misuse , and are still on it , i went to rehab but screwed up after 18 months but now on oxy script etc so doin well , im pretty damn close to aberdeen ,40 miles away,we were kicked out like the shit on their shoes , disgrace aint the word forcing people who were stable on done or dhc , working etc for years never touching gear then rippin carpet from under their feet like that was inhumane , my mate was stable on 90 ml for 3 years then taken down 10ml a week over 10 weeks then kicked off ended up dying of heart attack,37,bodybuilder fit as fk , no roids just done n valium ,i blame them , ithought benzo reduction had a protocol i went from 6 blues a day to 3 a day for a week to 0 just like that , hell on earth ,were suicides too of course even police begged docs not to do what they were doing but deaf ears im afraid ,id love to meet one of them in a dark alley thats all ill say ;/
 
That is fukkin shockin' treatment 8o

Am gobsmacked. Have seen/heard/experienced some pisspoor treatment but nothing like as bad as that. Criminal malpractice, I'd say. If not manslaughter in some cases possibly. Unbefukkinlievable way to treat people.
 
charlie, you're a terrible man, terrible man, terrible terrible terrible man !! old gal...

jollypecker I love your name. my dw was sound today!! script upped again to 20ml. back to weekly pick up. mentioned the conference she did say they are good. she also told me to go to mass more often !! she doesn't tell everyone that though. said that she encourages those with a bit of faith in something to pick it up again as it might be useful. she doesn't bother telling the atheists to pick up the lord though. oh, and as well as this without me mentioning it she dropped the nonsense about me getting out of treatment by the end of march. I was going to go for a monthly 5 ml reduction and she's decided twould be better to do a 2ml monthly reduction. Looks like she did listen to me after all the other week as she said that she had had the meeting with the superior or supervisor . I'd say the supervisor tried to say otherwise as my dw did say something about keeping her happy. So there we go.

Am going to make a real proper effort to stop the gear now. I've chatted shit about it so much on here. famous last words and all that. I think being on daily helped a bit as it made me take the green and I know that that holds me. I've gotten used to the feeling that it gives me and am geared up for not being geared up now. I'm going fag free too. Dunno about the weed though, it'll keep me smoking if i do that. Life on gear is just too expensive and solitary. I have special people in my life that I keep letting down thru not always being about n that. Be prepared for a load of boring twaddle from me (more)

love you all still
 
Where are your pics, PP? If this bloody chest is the end of me, I'll want to be able to recognise the'hubble bubble' artist grinning from the other side.

I've heard half a dozen stories, jollypecker, where I'd think a coroner's verdict of manslaughter against the kind of doctor into whose hands you fell seems perfectly justified. But, unless the victim od'ed from a prescription written by the doctor, they simply don't want to know. Establishment ways, them and us, call it what you will, whatever it is, it stinks. Keep on chipping away at their sense of values and morality. You'll feel like you're banging your head against many a brick wall but, one day, some way, it all comes out in the wash.

And your friends, dead for no other reason than trying to live a decent, honest and addict life at the same time, surely deserve no less, no matter how long it may take.
 
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The colour of it is light grey-beige, and its in rock form
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Yup. Same stuff down here in Brighton... Quite a lot of grey in it. I've been back using again for a month and all I've seen is this stuff, from lots of different sellers, apart from one time when I got good, light brown, PD gear. It was fucking great and all this other stuff is crap compared. I had a couple of years away from gear after I got sick of all the crap in the drought and coming back to it now I can pretty safely say that the drought is still on down in the south east but people have just got used to lower quality gear. People say 'oh this is really good stuff', and they mean it, but they've just forgotten what really strong gear is, I reckon. And people are just as hooked on it as they were with the strong gear.

I remember reading, a few years ago, about a drug dependency clinic in New York in the 80's that tested the gear all their junkies were taking and found out that the average strength was only 2% heroin. None of the junkies had even really noticed that slowly their smack was getting weaker and weaker and they were all still just as in need of it as ever.

I've done about 0.6g every day for a month of this gear and last week I tried to do a few days off with just meth and found that 10ml of green totally fixed me. Shows how weak this gear must be.

Does anyone think they can safely say that "the drought is over" in their area? Where are you!!!!
 
Actually, maybe someone here can help with a question I've got that no one I know seems to know the answer to. It's kind of related to the drought so stays on topic... (kind of): I wouldn't be asking if it weren't for the crap gear!

I want to go and get a script (small meth one, reducing after a few weeks of settling into it) and I've tried my GP. He's new and wouldn't even consider giving me a few dozen dfs to reduce with. So it's the DDU for me, or private. I can't really afford private.

I'm married, with two kids, and wife, who has never used anything, and doesn't know I've got a habit again. It's a secret. I heard a horror story from a bloke a couple of years ago who was in the same situation as me and went to the DDU. He told them he had kids and that his wife didn't use but they then automatically contacted social services and sent someone round to assess the danger to the kids! That was how his wife found out he'd got himself a habit again! She kicked him out, divorced him, and he's now lost access to them. Terrible. Bastards at the DDU. The kids were fine and he just wanted a bit of help after going astray after years clean.

So, I'm in the same situation and want to know if I go to the DDU and ask for a script, will they automatically tell social services that I have kids and will Social Services need to investigate? Obviously my kids are absolutely fine and they wouldn't find anything wrong at all but I think it would end my marriage.

Anyone know?
 
Brightonhead said:
Actually, maybe someone here can help with a question I've got that no one I know seems to know the answer to. It's kind of related to the drought so stays on topic... (kind of): I wouldn't be asking if it weren't for the crap gear!

I want to go and get a script (small meth one, reducing after a few weeks of settling into it) and I've tried my GP. He's new and wouldn't even consider giving me a few dozen dfs to reduce with. So it's the DDU for me, or private. I can't really afford private.

I'm married, with two kids, and wife, who has never used anything, and doesn't know I've got a habit again. It's a secret. I heard a horror story from a bloke a couple of years ago who was in the same situation as me and went to the DDU. He told them he had kids and that his wife didn't use but they then automatically contacted social services and sent someone round to assess the danger to the kids! That was how his wife found out he'd got himself a habit again! She kicked him out, divorced him, and he's now lost access to them. Terrible. Bastards at the DDU. The kids were fine and he just wanted a bit of help after going astray after years clean.

So, I'm in the same situation and want to know if I go to the DDU and ask for a script, will they automatically tell social services that I have kids and will Social Services need to investigate? Obviously my kids are absolutely fine and they wouldn't find anything wrong at all but I think it would end my marriage.

Anyone know?
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I think they would go straight to social services. If I was you I'd just stick to reducing and go scoring Meth on Saturdays. Fuck having social services nosying into your life.
 
Brightonhead said:
Actually, maybe someone here can help with a question I've got that no one I know seems to know the answer to. It's kind of related to the drought so stays on topic... (kind of): I wouldn't be asking if it weren't for the crap gear!

I want to go and get a script (small meth one, reducing after a few weeks of settling into it) and I've tried my GP. He's new and wouldn't even consider giving me a few dozen dfs to reduce with. So it's the DDU for me, or private. I can't really afford private.

I'm married, with two kids, and wife, who has never used anything, and doesn't know I've got a habit again. It's a secret. I heard a horror story from a bloke a couple of years ago who was in the same situation as me and went to the DDU. He told them he had kids and that his wife didn't use but they then automatically contacted social services and sent someone round to assess the danger to the kids! That was how his wife found out he'd got himself a habit again! She kicked him out, divorced him, and he's now lost access to them. Terrible. Bastards at the DDU. The kids were fine and he just wanted a bit of help after going astray after years clean.

So, I'm in the same situation and want to know if I go to the DDU and ask for a script, will they automatically tell social services that I have kids and will Social Services need to investigate? Obviously my kids are absolutely fine and they wouldn't find anything wrong at all but I think it would end my marriage.

Anyone know?
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Obviously I can't speak for your clinic, but I've been on methadone on & off for 18 years now, and my mrs has been on it for about 5 years. We've also got 2 kids under 16, but social services have never come into the equation at all! I've found that as long as you appear to be a decent individual, keep appointments and don't turn up gouching your tits off, then they will bend over backwards to keep everything confidential. My mrs's sister actually works at our local drugs clinic (on the reception), and she knows fuck all about our habits. Because of this, our key workers come to our local doctors' surgery for our monthly appointments instead of us having to go to the clinic. They really have been brilliant about the whole situation. I'm sure that if you explain your situation to your key worker, then they will do everything in their power to help you. It certainly isn't their policy to automatically contact social services - if they did that then they wouldn't get any clients at all! They will only resort to that if you act like a total retard and they have genuine concerns about your childrens' welfare. Good luck mate, hope things work out for you.
 
As the past two responses indicate, reaction varies from clinic to clinic and individual to individual.

Caution when in doubt is as good a motto as any but, if you're leaning toward a script, you could try for a heads-up by ringing your local organisation and keep the conversation hypothetical till you've some idea of which way the land lies..."use yourskill and judgement etc.."
 
Back when i use to go via a NHS doc for a script it was just like getting asprin, obviously we talked about my situ but there is a condidentially agreement that exists between doc and patient. If you have to go thro a clinic i dont know where the confidentiallity lies but tread carefully - private isnt that much (I pay £100p/m) and its a hella of alot easier - 1 appt and 1 pick up a month for valium and 'done
 
FFS Blondin i've said this a few times .

Outside of London their are very few private Doctors . Bristol one of the biggest cities in the Country doesn't have any .
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Obviously I can't speak for your clinic, but I've been on methadone on & off for 18 years now, and my mrs has been on it for about 5 years. We've also got 2 kids under 16, but social services have never come into the equation at all! I've found that as long as you appear to be a decent individual, keep appointments and don't turn up gouching your tits off, then they will bend over backwards to keep everything confidential. My mrs's sister actually works at our local drugs clinic (on the reception), and she knows fuck all about our habits. Because of this, our key workers come to our local doctors' surgery for our monthly appointments instead of us having to go to the clinic. They really have been brilliant about the whole situation. I'm sure that if you explain your situation to your key worker, then they will do everything in their power to help you. It certainly isn't their policy to automatically contact social services - if they did that then they wouldn't get any clients at all! They will only resort to that if you act like a total retard and they have genuine concerns about your childrens' welfare. Good luck mate, hope things work out for you.
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Oh that's really kind of you to reply. Many thanks and that's put me more at ease about going along. I think I'll make an appointment for next week and just feel out how it is in the first session. I don't suppose I have to tell them I have kids and there's no way they would be able to check or anything. But really, many thanks for your reply. Yes, I hadn't even thought about the fact they wouldn't get anyone coming along for help if they automatically called social services. Of course! Cheers.
 
Thanks

Thanks, everyone, for your replies. I'll have to think more about it I think. If I could find a private doctor to get a small script from and only had to pay £100 a month, I'd certainly take that. It was such a crap experience recently though, at my GP's, asking for help and getting told they wouldn't prescribe anything, that I don't really want to go and put myself through it again with a load of other GP's until I find one who will write...It's just embarrassing. I think I'll go down the DDU route.

God... Last time I signed on at DDU was 1995... I wonder if they've changed much.
 
No. He he. Yes I will admit I was a smarty pants :D

From Bristol you could get a train to London..... I'll stop digging.
 
Cheers Blondin. Can I ask? Is your private doctor someone who specialises in addiction or did you just make an appointment with a normal GP and then asked for a script? Is it London?
 
yes he specialises in addiction - in london. and no its not that rip off bunch of cunts at stapleforth.

I find it really strange there are none outside london Brimz - but they dont exactly advertise Im sure if you dug around you would find them. Go to an NA meeting in a 'nice ' part of town where you might find a few addicts with some dosh and ask around. As for 100 quid a month being expensive - only if your not working, i use to spend that in a day when i had a habit and a bit more.
OH how do you post a pic that youve taken?
 
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