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Benzos Etizolam Powder Safety

ReggieTheCat

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I've been searching all over but can't seem to find the answer to this question....

I might get Etizolam powder from a reliable Canadian source (since I can't seem to find a reliable vendor of the tabs in Canada, and I don't want any customs issues). If I do this, I want to make sure that I'm safe when I'm dosing. I have a high tolerance to benzos (I can take about 8-10 7.5 mg zopiclone tabs or 6-7 mg lorazepam in one go). The idea of mixing it in to solvents kinda freaks me out so I'm not going to do that no matter how simple it really is. What's my best option for measuring the correct doses? Also, can I put the desired dose of powder under my tongue for sublingual administration? I've heard rumours that sublingual admin of pure etizolam powder won't do shit. Is this true?

Any other safety info for the powder would be great!
 
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Mix it into ethanol then instead. Even 40% should do he trick. Other wise you need 0.000 scales

You are better of putting them into your stomach. You will find they taste SERIOUSLY bad and you will eventually start gagging every time you take them.
 
What freaks you out about dissolving the substance in a fitting solvent? It is the best option for measuring doses of something like that and much more dangerous to dose it in powder form. There is no reason to do so.
If you want to take it sublingual you can use Propyleneglycole instead of Alcohol which is the better option imo. It works just fine via that route of administration.

Even with an accurate scale it is much more of a hassle to weigh out <5mg than just draw up an amount of liquid in a oral syringe.
 
If you dont dissolve it in PEG or something then get a good pair of point triple zeros and weigh out in appropriately sized capsules.

They can be safe and discreetly stored, ready for on the go dosing as required!
 
PEG can hold it at ~4mg/ml at room temp ime. Ethanol of high purity, at least with alprazolam 10mg+/ml.

The safest way to dose, is to either invest in a quality scale (if your paying under $50, your buying inaccurate garbage) if you only intend to mix up less than 100mg solutions at a time, or weigh out .1g+ amounts at a time and mix it with peg/etoh. Find their densitys, etoh is .789g/cubic cenimeter, peg i think is close to water.

Take your scale and WEIGH out the density accounted for amount of solvent, ie 1ml etoh ~=800mg, vs ~=1000mg for 1ml water or peg. Then weigh out your powder, turn off your scale, move it to another location, always flat, and weigh again 10m later. Mix the two, and either use a warm heat bath or time/agitation to dissolve the substance.

Now you know exactly how much solvent and solute, along with its concentration using density values and proper weighing technique. If You want to be super accurate, don't rely on volumetric 1ml luer lock markings, but weigh your solution, take a dose, and know that if you dissolved 80mg of alprazolam in 800mg etoh, 10mg of that solution should contain 1 mg of alprazolam. Same for etizolam and peg/etoh albiet with different math.

Always agitate the solution before drawing up a dose, and if theres particulate, heat it. Label the concentration immediatly afer mixing, in case you need to add more solvent to make a room temp solution that wont precipitate.

I like to do that, then dose them on gummy bears, so its not a hassle every time i need to measure out a dose using the weight difference in solution taken out of your liquid mixture.

As well, though it reduces your accuracy, find out how many drops from whatever syringe you are using is a dose of your substance (take total weight, solvent&solute, IE 800mg etoh/20mg alprazolam, and divide by your intended dosage. So for 1mg units, that would be 41mg of the solution. Figure out how many drops weighs ~41mg, and then you can just go by drops. Smaller dropper tip diameters will give you lighter/smaller drops, and are more accurate in that respect.

Two caveats to that method, however, are your etoh is going to evap and the weight will decrease/concentration increase, and not all drops are exactly equal, most importantly from different droppers. Use the same dropper every time. This will give you accuracy within 100ug+/- if you do it right, and keep your solution in an airtight container to reduce evaporative losses of the solvent, if using etoh.

The only other option with powder is a scale upwards of a few hundred $, if were talking sub milligram accuracy (ug). Anything else, even a nice .001g (mg) scale can drift a mg or so, and end up with big dosage discrepancies.
 
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mmmmm Gummy Bears! <3

I found that grinding 20mg of powdered Etiz helped it dissolve in vodka, otherwise I got sediment. I use a mirror & a small, triangular piece of granite polished smooth & concave at the base.

I use the drop method (I'm very careful) & dilute to 250ug per drop. 2 to 4 drops as needed, always trying not to take it every day.
 
Great, thanks guys. I'll probably try to do the solvent method just to be safe.

But regardless, if I took a tiny tiny tiny amount (like 2-3 grains) and put it under my tongue, would it have the same effect as if I put it in the solvent? I think I read somewhere that it must be dissolved, but I don't see how that would be accurate.

I ask this because I have a biiiig tolerance to benzo's (used to take up to 15-20 x 7.5 mg zopiclone in one shot) and I know accidentally dosing a bit extra prob won't cause too many problems. I'm more concerned about wanting to re-dose and then taking too much extra... but that could happen even if I didn't dissolve it in PG or ethanol.

P.S - tentram what are point triple zeros? are you referring to the scales?
 
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I have read horror stories of people trying to dip with toothpicks. I would highly recommend against it. As far as I know it is just as active in pure powder form and ridiculously difficult to dose that way.
 
Just dont eyeball it. The density/weight is unknown, and varies by multiple factors.

Its not hard to get ahold of the right solvents, like strong etoh (80 proof vodka will work, but your best bet is dry etoh, or clean evaporating (test a bit to be safe) denatured alcohol sold as paint thinner at your hardware store. Check the msds always.

Or just get some food grade propylene glycol, a google search will make that a cheap and easy affair.

Eyeballing, will lead to a blackout, not always, but in most cases.

Why?

Because you take too little and end up overdoing it and losing all control, by overcompensating and taking a massive dose, or taking too much initially and the same thing happening.

Some can get away with it, but most that have done it (myself included with alprazolam powder/etizolam powder) will tell you its a terrible idea to eyeball such potent benzos. Very easy to get a bad tolerance/addiction, or end up blacking out and doing stupid/dangerous/embarrassing things while uninhibited.

If you can afford the powder, you can afford an extra $30 for some solvent, and a cheap mg scale. As long as you weigh out 50mg or more at a time with a cheap scale, you can drift 5mg either way, and a 1mg dosed unit will only vary +/- 100ug.
 
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To start with you can add 100 mg to 100 ml of (mono)propylene glycol, make sure it dissolves. Then use a 2 ml oral syringe, its very easy to accurately draw up and dose safely.

You can try different concentrations afterwards.

the food grade mpg and oral syringes can be very easily and cheaply obtained on popular auction websites.

MPG also actually tastes nice.
 
Etizolam API I got was 3-5x's stronger than the tabs (no lie).

I woke up in the ER the next day, signed myself out. I had blacked out and someone called 911 and I was rushed to the ER. I woke up with a huge gash on my face.

Be CAREFUL with the power. I personally take 10mg tabs put them in warm water and stir until all the blue is removed. After 40mg I'm a stumbling idiot (which I like; it's almost a MXE feeling). However I haven't blacked out doing that route.

Benzo powder scares me. Be safe with your research and don't take shortcuts. Hard Reduction is rules #1.

Good luck, be safe
 
As far as I'm aware (which is minimally!) The canadian analog law is similar to the USA one in that benzos aren't covered by it. I love me an etizolam or 5, but I'd not even consider buying that stuff as a powder because I'm well aware of how utterly stupid I am after I've done some. If you're gonna do it, I seriously suggest putting a reasonable amount out at the start of the night and putting the rest away, because you WILL forget you took that extra bit, and a few pints surely couldnt hurt could they?

You sound fairly experienced with the joys of benzos, so apologies if this comes off as patronising, but I've shocked and alarmed myself several times with really dumb stuff done on a benzo binge... be safe!
 
I say stick with the pellets. They cross the border fine. Just don't make it a HUGE order. A good vendor knows how to ship Etiz. And it's NOT SCHEDULED. That's a plus. It's often referred to as a "Sports supplement" ;).

ETI powder sent me to the ICU and cost me thousands and my car. Benzo powder just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I almost died TWICE last year because of ETI powder.

1 ICU visit, 1 911 to the ER. NOT WORTH THE RISK. The movie the Hangover is NOT fun in real life. Be safe.
 
If You want to be super accurate, don't rely on volumetric 1ml luer lock markings, but weigh your solution, take a dose, and know that if you dissolved 80mg of alprazolam in 800mg etoh, 10mg of that solution should contain 1 mg of alprazolam. Same for etizolam and peg/etoh albiet with different math.

I would stick to volumetric dosing. I don't see the point of weighing a solution, unless you have more faith in your scale than your syringe. If you're using a mechanical balance, be aware that they can be sensitive to air currents.

To clarify one thing: the solvent you want is propylene glycol, commonly abbreviated PG. This is the same as mono-propylene glycol, although I've never heard of it referred to as such. PEG is polyethylene glycol, a totally different molecule. It's a polymer that usually comes as a solid (Miralax / etc.), although it can be found as a low-molecular weight liquid.

Off topic, propylene glycol is (roughly speaking) chemically halfway between isopropyl alcohol and glycerol. Propane is CH3-CH2-CH3, isopropyl alcohol is CH3-CH(OH)-CH3, propylene glycol is CH3-CH(OH)-CH2(OH), glycerol is CH2(OH)-CH(OH)-CH2(OH).
 
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