mpuppet2012
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This report is a summary of ethylphenidate experiences so far.
Background:
Experience with many compounds; too long to list however including a wide range of RC & established psychadelics, stimulants, downers, opioids. In reference to this report, experience with the following stimulants (BZP, MDPV, other cathinones, ephedrine, coca, camfetamine, MPA + likely quite a few more but you get the gist). Male early 20's in relatively good health - no drugs used on a regular basis (the minute you find that drug you've "always" needed in my opinion correlates strongly with the mind trying desperatly to justify continual use usually by selective ignoring of negative effects and remembering postitive effects documented/read about) and relatively healthy although not athletic/fit as such.
Experience:
Dopaminergic drugs, in particular selective dopamine reuptake inhibitors can be harder to access than other compounds for the simple fact they are having a strong effect on your rewards pathways and inherent biases can therefore develop to trick one in to false beliefs. A clear example with this compound is it's so called "clean effect" or lack of initial peripheral or 5-ht effects means it's sometimes hard to realise the level of effect it's acutely demonstrating particularly whilst repeating doses and delaying the crash. The level of the "high" experienced tends to be realised during or at the end of the crash/come down.
Observations:
Conclusion:
I can't quite put my finger on the problem but something seems untidy about this compound. Peripheral type side effects seems of no concern when UP as it where but there definately appears to be concerns when DOWN (or whilst the strong effects have subsided and the long background effects are still in full swing). It's stimulating effects seem at times hard to guage which feels unsatisfactory leaving one more vunerable to less obvious addictive or repeated use. Finally it seems the strong effect on appetite is apparant and it's lingering residual stimulation leave it open to negatively affecting sleep - In other words the two big problems with stimulants (sleep deprivation and lack of food) are very possible problems which could build up gradually over days in a person not realising their level of intake or "how high they are" (sleep and food).
So far not convinced
Tagged by Xorkoth
substancecode_ethylphenidate
substancecode_stimulants
explevel_inexperienced
explevel_retrospective
exptype_neutral
exptype_bodyload
roacode_oral
Background:
Experience with many compounds; too long to list however including a wide range of RC & established psychadelics, stimulants, downers, opioids. In reference to this report, experience with the following stimulants (BZP, MDPV, other cathinones, ephedrine, coca, camfetamine, MPA + likely quite a few more but you get the gist). Male early 20's in relatively good health - no drugs used on a regular basis (the minute you find that drug you've "always" needed in my opinion correlates strongly with the mind trying desperatly to justify continual use usually by selective ignoring of negative effects and remembering postitive effects documented/read about) and relatively healthy although not athletic/fit as such.
Experience:
- Doses (oral): relatively high for a methylphenidate analogue which leaves me to think bioavailability is a key problem here as seems to be the case with methylphenidate.
- 30-45minutes after oral dosing strongest effects begin, 1-3 hours later a crash (where things feel worse than baseline) but then building to a slow realisation that there is a strong background stimulation (preventing sleep, affecting appetite and mood) which becomes a pain. I wonder whether the long acting background stimulation occurs in part because of the poor bioavailability (I.e is some still slowly absorbed as it passes the GI tract giving a steady background effect after initial burst???)
- Stomach upset seems to be prominant after dosing. After taking the dose, a drink of cola a while later a few burps and relief occurs. However, whether this is down to lack of eating (caused by the disinterest in food) the overall effect on the GI tract seems to be one of slowing down causing an uncomfortable bloating type feeling.
- Never tried methylphenidate but ethylphenidate does not seem to improve thinking or aptitude, it certainly increases focus (for a very short time) but thinking ability (for want of a better word) seems to be reduced or certainly performs no better. (there are reports of this effect with some people on methylphenidate however and is not unexpected)
- Although it deceptively gives the "clean" stimulant effect on beginning another 1-3 hours after dosing (during the crash part) shivering became a problem and very cold extremeties (vasoconstriction?).
- no strong euphoria present, a clear UP part where things feel good and confidence is increased but starting to wonder (pure speculation at this point) whether this shares some similarities with vanoxerine type drugs I.e blocks dopamine re-uptake but somehow inhibits the release of dopamine in some way??
Dopaminergic drugs, in particular selective dopamine reuptake inhibitors can be harder to access than other compounds for the simple fact they are having a strong effect on your rewards pathways and inherent biases can therefore develop to trick one in to false beliefs. A clear example with this compound is it's so called "clean effect" or lack of initial peripheral or 5-ht effects means it's sometimes hard to realise the level of effect it's acutely demonstrating particularly whilst repeating doses and delaying the crash. The level of the "high" experienced tends to be realised during or at the end of the crash/come down.
Observations:
- The ethylphenidate was obtained from what one would consider a reputable supplier however I have a sneaking suspicion that it plays middle man for this particular chemical rather than arranging the custom synth as seems to be the case with other compounds (this is pure speculation). Does this mean impurity and/or analysis is less complete? I don't know but it would not surprise me.
- ^ As such unsure if some of the side effects could be attributed to specific enantiomers (dexmethylphenidate is meant to reduce side effects of methylphenidate when compared) or impurities?
- GI side effects quite prominent throughout - wondering whether that extra carbon to create an ethyl adds some extra pharmacological side effects via different mechanisms (Muscarinic effects maybe? again this is all speculation).
Conclusion:
I can't quite put my finger on the problem but something seems untidy about this compound. Peripheral type side effects seems of no concern when UP as it where but there definately appears to be concerns when DOWN (or whilst the strong effects have subsided and the long background effects are still in full swing). It's stimulating effects seem at times hard to guage which feels unsatisfactory leaving one more vunerable to less obvious addictive or repeated use. Finally it seems the strong effect on appetite is apparant and it's lingering residual stimulation leave it open to negatively affecting sleep - In other words the two big problems with stimulants (sleep deprivation and lack of food) are very possible problems which could build up gradually over days in a person not realising their level of intake or "how high they are" (sleep and food).
So far not convinced
Tagged by Xorkoth
substancecode_ethylphenidate
substancecode_stimulants
explevel_inexperienced
explevel_retrospective
exptype_neutral
exptype_bodyload
roacode_oral
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