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Ethylphenidate - Multiple doses - First Time - A long day of feeling fine :D

Day after my first Ethylphenidate experience, just a few things to add.

Sleep was near impossible even 5 hours after the last line, after the bad come down I really just wanted rest but instead I sat in bed and stared a wall what must of been another 2 hours. When I did eventually get to sleep it was restless awaking several times. That being said when I awoke (later than usual) I felt a little groggy but other wise fine even my nose which the day before felt stuffed and numb.

About re-dosing, this drug certainly is very "bingey". Not re-dosing seemed near impossible, I simply wanted to do more and more, which is a concern. Although the day after I don't really have an urge to do any more of it(although I probably will).

Also on reflection, this seemed like a very good "party drug", something to take with you to the pub or club, doing a line or two after you've had a few. That being said I really don't know what the effects of this and alcohol will be and certainly don't want you to try it based solely on this anecdotal, unscientific evidence, if someone has tried it let me(us) know.

And one last thing, I used the term "great" to describe this compound in my trip report, this may have been over selling it abit I was really describing how it made me feel at that moment. It is by all means not a great drug, it certainly isn't bad and is worth a look if you are into stimulants.
 
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RoomforJello said:
Day after my first Ethylphenidate experience, just a few things to add.

Sleep was near impossible even 5 hours after the last line, after the bad come down I really just wanted rest but instead I sat in bed and stared a wall what must of been another 2 hours. When I did eventually get to sleep it was restless awaking several times. That being said when I awoke (later than usual) I felt a little groggy but other wise fine even my nose which the day before felt stuffed and numb.

About re-dosing, this drug certainly is very "bingey". Not re-dosing seemed near impossible, I simply wanted to do more and more, which is a concern. Although the day after I don't really have an urge to do any more of it(although I probably will).

Also on reflection, this seemed like a very good "party drug", something to take with you to the pub or club, doing a line or two after you've had a few. That being said I really don't know what the effects of this and alcohol will be and certainly don't want you to try it based solely on this anecdotal, unscientific evidence, if someone has tried it let me(us) know.

And one last thing, I used the term "great" to describe this compound in my trip report, this may have been over selling it abit I was really describing how it made me feel at that moment. It is by all means not a great drug, it certainly isn't bad and is worth a look if you are into stimulants.
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I agree with you pretty much totally bud. I found it to be a general workman like stim that has obvious task aid applications at low doses spread out. But the one thing that made me just demolish a half gram that I started at 11am yesterday and finished at 6 today, is it's low body low and enough rush on the otherwise vile task of getting it up my nose with was just charlie like enough for me to know it would be gone almost as fast as .5g of charlie would havel That's my personality, I'm a glutton and that's why I generally avoid stims.

But I'll still order some because it's a very easy stim to cain by stealth. I could whack a few lines in the car at lunchtime and be at my desk as normal with no worry of being detected. I'm an old hand at that, I've done a cheeky little half E before doing a dept presentation, this stuff is physically undetectable I reckon, aside for a glow in the dark septum and a voice like roger rabbit.

Light body load, fast onset, nice initial rush and a head full of jumping beans. That's what I call the perfect backup.

For what it's worth, Etizolam cut through last night's buzz, but less like a hot knife through butter than trying to saw mahogany with the serrated blade of a swiss army knife, which is why I just didn't go back to be.200mg of it and it pussy whipped the benzo even a 3mg. Tonight though, I polished off a fat line of around 80mg, I've then decided to push the etizolam to 4mb and it saw the stim off with it's nasty little forked imp tale between it's legs and left me feeling like a the world's laziest pacifist vegan zombie. I even caught myself in full on mouth breather mode when watching tv news, with a stringly line of slobber
 
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I agree with you pretty much totally bud. I found it to be a general workman like stim that has obvious task aid applications at low doses spread out. But the one thing that made me just demolish a half gram that I started at 11am yesterday and finished at 6 today, is it's low body low and enough rush on the otherwise vile task of getting it up my nose with was just charlie like enough for me to know it would be gone almost as fast as .5g of charlie would havel That's my personality, I'm a glutton and that's why I generally avoid stims.
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Well its good to get some similar reports, especially with a relatively new RC, after reading a few other reports here and other forums, there is a definite consensus growing about this drugs effects.

To add more to my experience I am currently writing this 19 hours with ethlphenidate after resting since my last usage, and I'm feeling pretty good. I have tried to keep the re-doses minimal and doing larger doses but keeping them consistent and not upping the dose each time. Basically limiting myself to a line at least every 2-4 hours. Effects are pretty much the same as my trip report euphoria and mental stimulation. I have stuff to do in about 4 hours so I'm planing on keeping going till then, maybe buy a few beers for the inevitable comedown. One thing that has changed from my last experience is that the focus has gone or dulled at least, thoughts seem a bit more scattered than they where earlier but that is most likely the lack of sleep catching up. I'll probably add to this about how the rest of the day goes later.

I also just re-read your post about MXE beastie. I have also had a very similar experience with it, makes me wonder if you are just an older version of me. I will perhaps write about my MXE experiences at some point but I don't want this to turn this into a MXE appreciation thread so I'll stay quiet for now.

EDIT: Well as of writing coming up to 26 hours, last dose taken 3 hours ago and going to stop now knowing how hard it is to sleep even after your done.

So as planned I kept going with average doses in 2-4 hour periods. As said at the 19 hour mark was still going strong, 21 hours another re-dose, still in a good mood and my mind still very much active with no need for sleep. 23 hours time to do stuff so another re-dose. This is where the experience went a bit sour.

Upon leaving the house all was looking good a short walk to the bus stop cleared my head and was little effort. The bus ride was not so great. With the euphoria minimal if not all gone but still very stimulated I started to get a bit jittery nothing major but the crowded bottom floor looked very unappealing, luckily the upper floor was pretty empty bar 4 or 5 other people. The albeit short bus ride wasn't much fun either so I hopped of the bus a stop before my destination and decided to walk again.

Again the walk was short, but this time rather unpleasant, my legs grew tired very quickly and after I was sweating more than I should have been. I stopped just before my destination and had a cigarette. This took the edge of any remaining jitters and rest helped my legs. With my business done for the day quicker than expected. I stopped of at a local shop and bought a bottle of water and some cigarettes. I then started the short journey back home. Drinking the bottle of water made me feel ten times better(although I don't think I was overly dehydrated drinking two tall glass of water about 2 hours before this). The journey back was ok the bus ride wasn't exactly pleasant, during this bus ride I got a phone call from a friend, I decided to meet him feeling the social interaction would do me good and it did.

For the most part we where talking about my experience so far and random stuff (well I was). Talking was fun and put my still stimulated mind to use. However, outside on a cold day made my hands unbearable cold, getting heat to them seemed impossible because of this I return home earlier than I would have liked to and my friend leaves.

And right now after taking quite a while to actually write this I feel pretty much fine again, the come down passed much easier this time around and I'm pretty much baseline and can feel sleep looming.

Edit 2: Slept comfortably for about 12 hours awakening groggy and with stomach pains, but a good meal and a cigarette later and I was feeling fine.
 
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I'm looking forward to further updates from you RoomforJello, you seem to be approaching this with a good deal more restraint than I managed so I think your reflections may be of more benefit than mine were.

I've just placed another order and would be happy to have this in my tool box on a permanent basis as a very configurable jack of all trades stim that doesn't threaten to tear chunks out of you (can't say the same for my nasal passages) and is infinitely more forgiving than most stims I've tried over the years. As long as you treat it with the respect it deserves and use a bit of good old fashioned common sense, it will pay dividends.
 
Some very good reports in here, albeit definitely written under the influence of stims.
 
JBrandon said:
Some very good reports in here, albeit definitely written under the influence of stims.
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Well I guess this may be something to add to the effects list, the uncontrollable urge to write trip reports on bluelight.
On this note writing does come very easy, not much of a writer myself which probably comes through in my trip report(s) but it was easy to stay focused and I knew what I wanted to say. Also reading was what I did for most of those first 19 hours. Which brings me to believe that it may be fairly useful as a study aid despite its euphoria.

Also, I will try and post an overall summary of my experiences tomorrow after some sleep.

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I'm looking forward to further updates from you RoomforJello, you seem to be approaching this with a good deal more restraint than I managed so I think your reflections may be of more benefit than mine were.
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Well I want to give good, honest information. But my lack of a measuring the substance, I feel has somewhat lessened its reliability. I would like to say that with all research chemicals including ethylphenidate we are still unaware of its addiction rate, lethal dose or long term effects so if you are interested in trying this compound please use caution.
Also I updated my less than perfect trip using the edit function as too try and keep the thread clean.
 
Thanks for these reports. On the basis of them, an acquaintance of mine opted to give ethylphenidate a go. He is not a massive stimulant user, hating the ethics and practicalities of purchasing cocaine. While he enjoys MDMA, he tries to keep it for special occasions. AMT has recently been his most reliable chemical companion, but he is not entirely satisfied with the long and often unpredictable window between ingestion and peak, as well as the concordant nausea. He complains lots about nausea with a variety of substances, which may be worth keeping in mind while reading this report.

He tells me he has been searching for a substance appropriate for situations such as evenings in the pub, house parties and other events where he can surreptitiously dose and be happy to interact with others who are not taking it, without appearing too disgraceful.

He is slight, around 9.5 stone, and finds that generally when he ingests equal quantities of substances with male friends he feels the effects more quickly, more intensely and for longer than them.

He sent me this trip report and said he was happy for me to post it on BL. Details are rather sparse, although it may be of interest as, due to the fact that he intends for EPH to essentially act as a cocaine replacement, he was drinking throughout.

He tells me experiment was undertaken in his kitchen around his flatmates. Measurements were made with a miligram scale. In total, perhaps 75-85mg was insufflated over 4 hours (hard to be sure because of eyeballed line at 3h45m). He wanted to continue but stopped because it was a school night.

T + 0.00 - 10mg insufflated

Very slight "speedy" feel and tendency to talk too much.

T + 25m - 20mg insufflated

T + 45m - 1 shot of vodka

Basically quite speedy. Chatty. Fun. Slight drip. Slight gut pain.

T + 70m - 1 shot of vodka

Have been chatting a lot about whether it is prudent for large corporations to invest in sustainability, knowing that while it may save them funds in the the short term (due to e.g. reduced fuel bills) and long term (when the environmental apocalypse occurs), there is a medium-term period where their costs are higher than their competitors. Still feel like it's very much at peak. Do feel desire to redose, but don't actually feel like coming down, just want more. Will refrain for now. Definitely very buzzy, talkative. Also quite easily distracted by whatever else in the room is happening, which is how the sustainability conversation started. Throughout it, I was also chopping mushrooms, wiping surfaces etc. I enjoyed it.

T + 2 hours - another 20mg.

Had dinner with flatmates after this line. Felt strong desire to drink throughout which I managed to control to some extent. Had three shots of vodka, at around 20 minute intervals. Or possibly four shots, it becomes quite hard to remember.

During dinner, had long and intense conversation about political liberalism, competing conceptions of "the good", whether there is such a thing as an individual who is prior to society. While academically these topics are interesting, would usually not talk about them socially, and would basically think anyone who did have these conversations in earnest was a bit of a dick. Having said that, absolutely loved it at the time.

Definitely had the same egotistical element as coke. Was chatting about theories of human need and was much less interested in agreeing than I was in driving my point home.

I basically feel pretty great. Keep telling everyone it's better than coke. Objectively (as in this was felt at the time - in hindsight this is perhaps subjective) it's certainly as good as coke.

T + 3h45m - Decide that for research purpose it is necessary to be able to eyeball an appropriate sized lines, as realistically can't get out mg scales in a club toilet. Make one up - perhaps a little more generous than the weighed out ones, but what the fuck, it's research.

T + 4 hours - Another shot. Feel great but really very nauseous. Can't drink the whole shot at once - have to have it bit by bit. I try to hide this.

T + 4h30m - More philosophical discussions. Lengthy chat about how social conceptions of mental illness vs mental health as rationality vs irrationality are nonsense. More about liberalism - how Rawls's Theory of Justice is predicated entirely on the idea of "goodness as rationality" and therefore cannot stand up to scrutiny.

T + 5 hours. Flatmate says discussion about Rawls was "basically indistinguishable" from a sober chat in terms of coherence. Apparently I've been "on it" and saying basically sensible things.

Feel fucking great. Basically, this is a good thing.

Although having said this, do need the loo in quite a significant way. While not overwhelming, it is certainly an effect i have felt to a significant extent and worth recording, although it's by no means definitive of the experience.

T + 5.5 hours - Just felt like i was going to throw up. Retched, but didn't.

T + 5.75 hours. Feels slightly sick still. Have had a headache for 45 mins too and am not overly worried by this - feels like a standard speedy headache that will go away and not a ridiculous price to pay.

Want another line but can't as have to be up in the morning. Effects definitely beginning to wear off a little now. Have a bit of that coke feeling like, "I've been indulgent" as coming off, bit guilty, bit regrettable. Not huge in any way and certainly not enough to discount the really fun effects of the thing, but definitely a factor.

Suppose if at this point, I was forced to give a flavour to my current mood I would say basically still on balance pretty on it and generally overly interested, but relatively less so. Really like this drug - think that this may have been said quite a lot this evening. Don't really see what coke has to offer over it except it perhaps makes me feel slightly more loved up (possibly because of all the other shit in it). In any case, when i'm on this, empathy is certainly not an affect that I want for.

T + 6h45m: OK i'm in my bed, alone. Had a zopiclone 7.5mg, I think around half an hour ago but couldn't be certain. Have managed to quite ineffectively have a shower, wash my hair and brush my teeth since so suspect it's at least 20 mins. Feel pretty fucked and fairly anxious.

After this point, my acquaintance informs me that he slept relatively fitfully. He tells me that he made it to work on time the next day but felt pretty horrendous. He spent the next two days feeling pretty anxious and was also particularly low the following morning (i.e. T + 40 hours). He suspects this has little if anything to do with the Ethyl but as he does not know he asked me to include it for the sake of completeness.

He tells me that in hindsight he worries that the effects of this substance make it fall into the category of "chemicals which make me act like someone I don't want to be". Having said this, he will be taking this substance again, as it was extremely enjoyable at the time and has practical advantages over other stimulants. He suspects the hangover would be greatly improved by opioid painkillers, but for various reasons he is reluctant to take these. He is slightly concerned by how low he felt in the following two days although suspects this was more related to a dearth of serotonin from a several day MDMA/AMT/Tramadol/MXE/Ket/2ci experience the previous week.

He says if we bump into each other again, he will let me know if he has any more interesting experiences with EPH. I suspect the next bit of research will involve interactions with opioids, AMT, cocaine or possibly Pregabalin (for maximum human guinea pig points), initially at very low doses. I imagine he would be very interested to hear the experiences of others with this.
 
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It seems like there are a good few decent experience reports going on here, you'll have to forgive me though for my pessimism because there are allot of vendors that attempt to shift bunk stuff by writing bogus good reports on the stuff, and i seem to remember l-thereo-ETPD as being almost worthless. It may also be worth noting not a single bluelighter has written a glowing report of this stuff.

-HOWEVER-

Due to my curious nature i have decided to place an order with a well known UK vendor, who also specialises in a variety of heady-things, so a package containing Et-phenidate should be darkening my doorstep soon... And in the interests of SCIENCE :) i shall be running a comparison between it and some Dichloropane that is also en-route from the continent.

Will update soon hopefully!
 
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If possible, could anyone who has tried this and 2-FA compare the 2? This seems to have a bit more euphoria, but what about the focus it gives? I'm currently subscribed dex for my ADD, but I'm looking for a shorter lasting stim which will help me study but not keep me going all day. These both seem to fit the bill.
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I would say that 2-fa is probably the closest drug I can think of in terms of effects to this (apart from methylphenidate obviously). Maybe 2-fa lasts a tiny bit longer and tedns to give a slightly worse comedown/crash. But at doses to just help with work then this crash is barely noticeable. I find its amazing for motivation and works brilliantly as an anti depressant if your too down to be bothered to do something.
 
Just got a chance to experience this one myself, and I must say it's a lot more potent than what I'm used to. (Never tried methylphenidate, amphetamine or any other pharmaceutical stimulants). Let's just say I finally understand what stimulant-induced paranoia is all about :)
 
Lady Codone said:
Just got a chance to experience this one myself, and I must say it's a lot more potent than what I'm used to. (Never tried methylphenidate, amphetamine or any other pharmaceutical stimulants). Let's just say I finally understand what stimulant-induced paranoia is all about :)
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Yeah if you doo too much too quick it can make you incredibly tense. You have to find you sweet spot, mines 25mg. And i do 25 mg every half an hour or so.
 
Yeah, I didn't really enjoy it all that much. I started off with a 40mg line, and felt nothing. About an hour later I had another 20mg, and then another 30 mg line about 45 mins after that.

At this point I started to feel it, but it was a very mild stimulant effect, not like the intense ones I am used to, so thinking I could better it, I had another 50mg 45 mins after my last. When this line hit me I became a bit jittery and panicky for a couple of hours, and started noticing mild hallucinations, such as the writing on my laptop screen waving around.

Once the jitters and panicky period had past I returned to the mild stimulation that I experienced before, which to me seemed not to really be recreational, and since I had to get up in 8 hours for the next morning, I wsnt really enjoying it, and it was lacking the euphoria I had been expecting, so I drank half a bottle of red wine and took 5mg of etizolam (Silly me for taking a stim on a week day). That cretainly knocked off the buzz after an hour or so, but the insomnia is still present although I am close to basline, God damn my benzo tolerance. (and I only had 5mg left, where at this point I could do with around 10mg). Looks like I will be up to into small hours.

This is why my prefered ROA is oral for most substances, as I seem to know what I am in for, and don't get carried away trying to chase the high I want.

I swore to myself that I wouldn't take stims on week days again, since my interesting couple of weeks on 6-APB and some AMT every night.

Oh well, the next stops will be camfetamine and MPA as they are already in my extensive RC collection. I hope I have better luck with them.
 
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Have anyone tried this oral? I've read that snorting this is really damaging your nasal membranes and should really be avoided.

And is sleeping completly impossible? I'm not a "binge-kinda-guy" I dont redose more than once. Should sleep be possible if you dose early?
 
Got a gram, tried a few crystals as a test, snorted a tiny tiny group of specks, and a few mores dissolved in my mouth.
Miniscule amount.

I couldnt believe how good it was, euphoric, up, bit of raised heart beat. Repeated about 4 hours later, same again.

Slept easy that night, next morning a few specks bombed. Less effect but longer lasting.

Next day somewhat sad but exercise got me out of it.

Now this is extremely potent at the dose.
Be very cautious and start out ultra low.
Yes there is a big urge to redose over and over. I bet tolerance will come real quick that way. I say put this on at most a one day a week rota. It burns skin on my lips, but that quickly heals, I think if I can keep dose down, sublingual is the way and infrequent nasal.
The nature of the comedown, the fact that the high is compatible with daily life(at low doses) means this wlll be a problematic substance and test self discipline.
 
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Got a gram, tried a few crystals as a test, snorted a tiny tiny group of specks, and a few mores dissolved in my mouth.
Miniscule amount.

I couldnt believe how good it was, euphoric, up, bit of raised heart beat. Repeated about 4 hours later, same again.

Slept easy that night, next morning a few specks bombed. Less effect but longer lasting.

Next day somewhat sad but exercise got me out of it.

Now this is extremely potent at the dose.
Be very cautious and start out ultra low.
Yes there is a big urge to redose over and over. I bet tolerance will come real quick that way. I say put this on at most a one day a week rota. It burns skin on my lips, but that quickly heals, I think if I can keep dose down, sublingual is the way and infrequent nasal.
The nature of the comedown, the fact that the high is compatible with daily life(at low doses) means this wlll be a problematic substance and test self discipline.
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it has a rough body load swhen it wears off (seems very acidic), can be nice at low doses but go too high and it produces a very uncomfortable panic attack/state of fear and terrible insomnia. you're better off with truxilense coca tea. hugely superior at any doses
 
Done lots of coca chew in Latin America.
Good points - probably healthy. Upbeat, appetite reduction.
Bad - antisocial, impaired speech (gives me a lisp for hours)

EPD is easy to administer, cheap, legal. Some cognitive skills are enhanced.
Speech improves.

I noticed tyrosine helps. Prolongs the good effect and reduces the comedown. I don't know if this will always work. I am still researching very small doses which are still enough to give the effect I want. Getting skyhigh is no use to me, just a gentle push is what I prefer.

Coca tea could also be a legal issue.
 
Ethylphenidate

I tried this one a couple days ago.. Male, 160lbs. Experienced with stims and pretty much any drugs.
Around 40 milligrams divided in 3 doses...
On a Full stomach, after an allergy test, i took around 10 mg on the thongue and waited... 15 mins later i felt a boost and some euphoria. This lasted roughly 30 mins and then all of the sudden it disappeared leaving me with jitters and a really bad feeling of tensseness, chest pain etc...
Redosed 15 mg.. Same thing but worst when it dropped...
I couldnt manage to sleep at all for 30 hrs with only that 25mg total...
Anxiety, pain in my right harm ( probably liver russhing), bad vasoconstriction.. Really bad feeling overall for almost no euphoria..

I wanted to know if since its also some toxic metabolit that we produce in microgram quantities when mixin' ritalin and booze, is it possible that this rc might be very toxic to the body when consumed at the dose i took? I mean.. It really felt like shit... Take america's dumbest cook, give the crapiest meth synthesis filled with errors and he'll probably manage to produce something less harsh then this...
 
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