Erections, ED drug combinations and sexual use of various substances

[blasty]

Hi all

Only my second post here so go easy lol

Have taken illegal drugs back in the mid 90's and more recently have dabbled with RC's with years of nothing in between. Substances taken are large and varied and for the purpose of this thread dont warrent mentioning. One of the primary reasons for taking various substances over the years has been to enhance sexual relations. However one common noted factor with most substances is the "shrink dick" effect. Shrink dick effect is present with nearly every drug. Curious to know what is the cause of shrink dick? how it can be avoided or counter acted? What substances might be good for sexual relations with no shrink dick (RC's preffered). Have also taken Viagra and Levitra independently of other drugs minus one occasion. On the one occasion Levitra was mixed it was mixed with Amal butrate! Not knowing that the combination was potentially lethal and is therefore HIGHLY unadvised to everyone reading this post. Am now more cautious to research the phenomenom of "shrink dick" properly before taking any action and what combinations may be safe with ED drugs. In summary have had a few spectacular moments of passion on various substances but have more often than not been hounded by "shrink dick". Shrink dick causes, arousal with no errection, a shrunken dick with errection but smaller than normal, dick gets hard but wont maintain etc etc. Sure any serious users will get what I mean.

So aside from the comical possabilities of this thread wonder if anyone has any advice.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Who's AFOAF? Sounds like "SWIM" to me. We don't use such things here at Bluelight, we all know its you that your post is talking about and using things like "AFOAF" or "SWIM" just makes your posts hard to read and does nothing to protect you legally. It is also against the rules here so please edit your post so you're using proper pronouns.

 

[blasty]

Who's AFOAF? Sounds like "SWIM" to me. We don't use such things here at Bluelight, we all know its you that your post is talking about and using things like "AFOAF" or "SWIM" just makes your posts hard to read and does nothing to protect you legally. It is also against the rules here so please edit your post so you're using proper pronouns.

So may forums so many guides and rules. Forgive one for getting confused 8(

 

[Brian242]

Last edited by blasty; Today at 20:32. Reason: The fussy person below lol

That "Fussy" person is a very well respected moderator for this site. He is your god here. Read the rules or GTFO!

Anyways, I only experience shrink dick with MDXX analogues or opioids.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

My theory is that "shrink dick" may be an evolutionary advantage to keep us from procreating while on drugs, but I suppose it could just be a coincidence. Drugs cause sexual difficulties in a number of ways. Sexual function involves a complex coordination of hormones, neurotransmitters in the brain, and the genitals themselves. Many drugs affect hormones, neurotransmitters, blood flow, and various receptors in the brain and body. I can explain in more detail if you like.

 

[blasty]

Last edited by blasty; Today at 20:32. Reason: The fussy person below lol

That "Fussy" person is a very well respected moderator for this site. He is your god here. Read the rules or GTFO!

Anyways, I only experience shrink dick with MDXX analogues or opioids.

Here!

My theory is that "shrink dick" may be an evolutionary advantage to keep us from procreating while on drugs, but I suppose it could just be a coincidence. Drugs cause sexual difficulties in a number of ways. Sexual function involves a complex coordination of hormones, neurotransmitters in the brain, and the genitals themselves. Many drugs affect hormones, neurotransmitters, blood flow, and various receptors in the brain and body. I can explain in more detail if you like.

I like your second set of reasons better than the evolutionary one. Not sure Mother nature contemplated us manufacturing chems and then eating them I can identify with the reasoning you have given and if you want to explain some more in basic that would be cool. Though I think gettin to the point more what I am looking for is whats safe or probably safe to use with ED drugs i.e Viagra, Cialis and Levitra. One of the effects of these drugs is they lower Blood pressure. When mixed with Amal butrate (Or other poppers) this can cause fatal drop in blood pressure. I did this as mentioned above not knowing the potential deadly effect. Luckily I was fine but I wouldent want to do something like that again I may be getting some MDAI. Have noted reports say it causes sweating and I am guessing anything that causes sweating alters heart rate/blood pressure to some degree. Wondering if this is a safe one to use with ED drugs So many people out there are using ED drugs recreationally now there must be some small amount of information around.

Thanks for your reply

 

[Swimmingdancer]

^Well when I said it could possibly be an evolutionary advantage, I meant that perhaps if we take something that could be harmful to our offspring, the body detects it and makes it more difficult to procreate. Just a theory

As for how drugs cause issues such as decreased libido, difficulty becoming aroused, difficulty achieving or maintaining an erection, or difficulty orgasming, there are a number of issues going on and it's kinda complicated. Even sexual function on its own is not entirely understood. So, as I said above, sexual function involves a complex coordination of hormones, neurotransmitters in the brain, and the genitals themselves. Many drugs affect hormones, neurotransmitters, blood flow, and various receptors in the brain and body. When talking about men, dopamine, testosterone, and the blood vessels in the penis are some of the more important aspects. Serotonin can also inhibit sexual function. Drugs that reduce testosterone levels or block the effects of testosterone can reduce sex drive. Libido is also greatly affected by your general emotional and physical health, and some drugs can indirectly affect your sex drive by causing sedation/lethargy and mental effects. An erection is the result of a coordination between nerves, hormones, blood vessels and the brain/mind. If a drug affects any of these areas it can affect your erection or ability to get one. Drugs that affect the blood vessels in the penis, act on the brain, interfere with hormone levels, or affect the transmission of nerve messages, can all cause erectile dysfunction. Ejaculation involves the activation of alpha receptors in the prostate gland and seminal vesicles, so drugs that block alpha receptors can interfere with ejaculation. Various chemicals in the brain are involved in orgasm and ejaculation, so drugs that affect these chemicals - like drugs that increase serotonin levels - can also cause difficulty orgasming or ejaculating. Blood pressure lowering drugs can cause sexual issues, but the mechanism by which they do so and the degree to which they do varies from drug to drug. Also different people seem to have different degrees of an effect on sexual function from a drug, like one person might take a drug and be totally unable to get a hard-on or totally uninterested in sex, while another might take the same drug and be fine. If you'd like to know about the specific effects of a particular drug let me know.

As for MDAI and ED drugs such as Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, my general recommendation is for people to not take ED drugs while on recreational drugs. But I can look into whether there is a specific contraindication, I just have to go out for a while and my post is already getting really long

 

[blasty]

Swimmingdancer, many thanks for all the useful infomration :D I guess when you think about it much of it is fairly obvious, many of us just over look the complicated ways in which our bodys work.

If you could let me know if there is a specific contraindication between ED drugs and MDAI that would be fab. All information is useful I wont say I dont take risks cus anyone who takes an RC is taking a risk however I like to reduce the risk as far as possible.

Thanks for all the help so far

 

[Achten]

Interesting thread.
On a related note, does a similar reaction occur with females ? Like the clitoris (which is basically a small "penishead") changing size maybe ?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

If you could let me know if there is a specific contraindication between ED drugs and MDAI that would be fab. All information is useful I wont say I dont take risks cus anyone who takes an RC is taking a risk however I like to reduce the risk as far as possible.

MDAI is similar to MDMA, so here is a detailed guide on mixing Viagra and MDMA that might be helpful: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/98837-Using-Viagra-with-MDMA-to-facilitate-erections-in-Males
One thing to keep in mind though is that substances sold as MDAI often contain other drugs, which could change the risks.

Interesting thread.
On a related note, does a similar reaction occur with females ? Like the clitoris (which is basically a small "penishead") changing size maybe ?

Yes, females can experience effects like decreased interest in sex, difficulty getting aroused, decreased blood flow to the genitals and difficulty reaching orgasm.

 

[blasty]

MDAI is similar to MDMA, so here is a detailed guide on mixing Viagra and MDMA that might be helpful: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/98837-Using-Viagra-with-MDMA-to-facilitate-erections-in-Males
One thing to keep in mind though is that substances sold as MDAI often contain other drugs, which could change the risks.


Yes, females can experience effects like decreased interest in sex, difficulty getting aroused, decreased blood flow to the genitals and difficulty reaching orgasm.

Thanks for the link. Have read and will re-read prior to any possible experimentation.

About the bit in bold above. Are you highlighting the danger of companys selling other substances as MDAI or that there might be other drugs mixed in with legitimate MDAI?

Ive been away for a few days and on my return I have some MDAI waiting to be picked up from the post office. Not much chance of trying it at the moment though. To many things on and relatives around visiting so plenty of time to read up on things :D

 

[Swimmingdancer]

About the bit in bold above. Are you highlighting the danger of companys selling other substances as MDAI or that there might be other drugs mixed in with legitimate MDAI?

Both. Sellers will sell something as "MDAI" that doesn't even contain any MDAI, or they will sell something that is a mix of MDAI and other substances.

One study found:

Internet-sourced products have been shown variously to contain mephedrone, and mixed compositions of inorganic substances, while containing no MDAI.

In another thread someone posted the following from an email they had received from a supplier explaining why they were no longer selling it:

Various samples of MDAI have been tested. Although earlier samples were of a very low purity level, recent samples have shown higher purity levels. Additionally some of the samples tested contained no MDAI but other controlled chemicals. The results concluded that although there is high purity MDAI available unless you are able to obtain analytical data of the chemical you have purchased you cannot be sure that the compound is pure or even contains MDAI.

Here's another study:

In this study several legal high products were purchased and analysed for their content. Results showed that 6 out of 7 products did not contain the advertised active ingredient. Three samples of “MDAI” were tested. Only one actually contained MDAI, while the other two contained a mixture of caffeine and the piperazines BZP and 3-TFMPP.

Are you going to be testing your MDAI with a reagent test kit? Bunk Police lists a particular colour pattern for MDAI using the Marquis reagent, but it is pretty similar to the reaction for some other substances. Of course reagent testing is not 100% definitive, and results can be complicated if you have a mixtures of multiple substances, but it's certainly better than nothing.

 

[88brenno]

Try some foreplay, IME "shrink dick" can be a blessing if known how to operate properly just dont forget a nice fan and big bottle of water

 

[blasty]

Both. Sellers will sell something as "MDAI" that doesn't even contain any MDAI, or they will sell something that is a mix of MDAI and other substances.

One study found:


In another thread someone posted the following from an email they had received from a supplier explaining why they were no longer selling it:


Here's another study:

Are you going to be testing your MDAI with a reagent test kit? Bunk Police lists a particular colour pattern for MDAI using the Marquis reagent, but it is pretty similar to the reaction for some other substances. Of course reagent testing is not 100% definitive, and results can be complicated if you have a mixtures of multiple substances, but it's certainly better than nothing.

Thanks again for the infomration. I'll will read up on it all later. I can understand that people hungry for £ can sell fake products though some of the things you metion that have been sold as MDAI appear to be illegal substances (Remembering I am from the UK). On both counts selling fake products or illegal substances I cant understand why this continues. With ref to illegal products once tested and proven to be illegal a quick annoymous letter containing evidence to your local police station should resolve the matter fairly quickly I would have thought. The same for fake substances although send info to Trading standards. Every one is under their rule but I guess people must think that the reason they are buying it may end them up in some kind of trouble themselves.

I may well test what I have though not entirely sure how I do that yet, do I just need the strips for example something from here

Strips

I read up on the company I bought from and reviews and comments seemed to indicate a genuine company. However I made a mistake with my order and ordered 2 x the quantity required. I noted this quickly and sent them an email asking them to ammend the order. I never got a response and my order was not ammended. I also never got a free product they were supposed to send out with every order over a certain value. To me that suggests that maybe they were just hungry for my cash so a test would be a sensible thing to do.

 

[blasty]

Ive now read up on the study of the highs purchased and tested. Lets just say if thats still the case today then I have been very lucky with where I bought from

Though I would still ike to test the MDAI and the 5-MeO-Dalt that I already have. Will have to wait though as they are not giving reagent test kits away and its been an expensive month