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"er~giggly~ergoloids" LSz 2 x 75ug experienced

Si Dread

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11:15am half blotter, 75ug, gummed

11:40 possible alerts, light head, vague feeling of pull at back of neck, very common first alert for me. Jumped up after a half hour of deep breathing & meditative thought, rinsed out some clothes & hung 'em up in the sunshine. Looking forward to a solo walk in the park later, my gf has dissertation work to do today, & gets trapped indoors with hayfever anyway, this time of year. Besides, I am the one who tests completely novel RC's before I let her have a look. I now return to my previous horizontal state to continue to await further effects & to contemplate.

12:15 One hour since initial. Blotter chewed & swallowed. First alert may have been placebo. Little activity if any from half blotter at this point. I'll give it another half hour then the next half goes in. There may be somethng here, I can't quite put my finger on it yet, but I do feel kinda chilled, relaxed. I have no idea if this is a result of the chemical, my fully rounded personality or simply the relaxation techniques employed ;)

12:45 Still uncertain of the nature of the effects, but still think there's something there... Ate a ripe peach, a bread roll & a bag of Cheese & Onion... as well as another half tab. Well I gummed it again, to be entirely accurate, & now back to meditation & breathing. Drying hoodie is making amusingly entertaining drip splat drip sounds nearby. See, definitely something there...

13:00 Gradual increase in & building of effects noted now. Still extremely subtle but I may have caught some imprinting when glancing at & away from a monochrome fractal poster on my wall. There seems to be a little more red, pink & orange in my visible spectrum that might usually be present. I continue to kick back, occassionally fielding psychedelic queries from my gf, her dissertation investigating the psychedelic elemments in the music of Bauhaus. Still very comfortable, mentally & physcally, a very nice, relaxing way to spend a gorgeous summer Saturday

13:15 This may sound strange, & I am proudly naive to opiates, but I'm feeling a vague, distant & familiar sense of codiene-like contentedness. Still not alot in the psychedelic department. Due to my extreme financial hardship & the fact that I only got three of these, I suspect I may have to call it after this latest half, for fear of not having a chance to share an adequate dose with my gf in the near future. I'd also like to give tolerance a longer opportunity to set in, as it's only been 7 days since we enjoyed a park/pizza trip, Friday before last. My first session on Al came less than 7 days after a weekend on psychedelic Phenethylamaines & after a 10 day break I noticed an obvious, general increase in effects from the drug.

13:30 Visuals are picking up a little & my mind is less clear now, foggier, heavier. Hand eye coordination has also been affected slightly, typing is slightly trickier than it was 15 minutes ago. The appearance of tracers & other common visual activity has increased.

14:00 Effects have increased now, so time to chew up the blotter. Also, I feel like a challenge, so I'm gong to cex to buy a couple Sci Fi DVD's

15:00 Wow, fully immersed now. This shit is a slow-burner, & it's reminding me a little bit of a Doxx type experience. Took a walk through my busy town centre in search of cez & some Sci Fi DVD's. Met incredulous stare with "hayfever". How else can I explain DVD purchases on the hottest, sunniest day of the year? Came home to find Captain Pickard elbows deep in a borg corpse, which was interesting...

15:45 Might still be building! Quite facinating so far. Relaxing but powerful psychedelia, deeper & stronger than Al-Lad, so far. Much slower aproach from LSZ than from Al-Lad is noted. This is without question quantifiably different to Al-Lad, as unique as all these remarkable compounds tend to be! I am certain that with little more than one or two more goes on this stuff I would be able to tell it apart from damn near any other psychedelic drug I've ever tried. I've had scorn poured quite recently on my assertion that even after decades I can tell the difference between Al-Lad & LSD itself. I stand by that!

16:30 Still pretty busy here. Heading back outdoors for a spliff in the sunshine! It is FUCKING hot out there today. I LOVE it like this, it's not even that humid. Kinda reminds me of Ibiza today, except Ibiza is humid! I think the effects peaked about half hour ago, I feel as though I might be on the downslope now. Not certain or anything, if this is anything like the orginal L, it's bound to ease off in waves, much like it started of course...

20:30 Still around. I thought things were tailing off a bit, & I do find it easier to type now. But this stuff is still around. Plenty of classical psychedelia, reminiscent & tantylisingly similar but distinctly different to it's better known moleuclar cousin(s). Once again, a brand new experience has outstripped the previous. I wonder what the stability of the molecule compared to the unknowns or doomful prophecy for Al-Lad? If this compound is more or likely to be more stable it certainly provides an equilibrium of effects. Duration of a single 150ug hit is unkown to me so far, but I'd say from what's gone on so far today that LSz outstrips Al-Lad as an all round +++ psychedelic. I suspect with equalised tolerance, & going purely on this one experiment, 150ug of LSz will take you deeper, longer into the psychedelic effect than you would compared to a single 150ug dose of Al-Lad. Once again, I am basing that conlusion after just this one experience!

While I had a shower my gf tried to distract me & caused some uncontrollable hilarity by pointing out that Ned Flanders would probably call these things er~giggly~ergoloids or something...

Anyway, this has been a thoroughly unique & facinating endevour today. It's been about 5 hours I'd say, since the effects were certainly established, until now where they remain steady but waning... I supect to be clear within two hours, tired & capable of sleep. There was probably more ergot in my morning toast today than on my blotter, & probably an awful lot less on my blotter than is in the average pint of beer. Er~giggly~ergoloids are just so supremely well tolerated in man, I'd be simply gobsmacked if there was a single unhealhty aspect to what I've spent my day doing, enjoying the sun with a smile on my face, a relaxed step & a very serious gleam in my eye!


21:30 Definitely easing off now I expect to be completely baseline by 22:30 I expect easy sleep before midnigh.

Another very interesting molecule!
 
Do you know the structure of this so-called "LSz"? If so, what is it?
 
Hahaha "so called". I was just as sceptical when mephedrone appeared, I was scornful of so called "legal highs". There's little doubt in my mind that I took LSZ yesterday because, & yes, I am aware of how unlikely this sounds, I TRUST my vendor with my life, he's very clever & very fucking decent!

Anyway, this is the molecule pic as it appears on the gentlemans website...

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LSZ, lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide

IUPAC - (2S,4S)-1-[[(8β)-9,10-Didehydro-6-methylergolin-8-yl]carbonyl]-2,4-dimethylazetidine

Formula - C21H25N3O

CAS - 470666-32-1

Purity - 97%

Salt - L-tartrate
 
Nice report :) Thanks, extremely fascinating for sure.

How would you compare it to LSD specificaly? What was the main difference?

For instance, for me AL-LAD had different colors than LSD (more blue, violet and magenta colors) a more calm and smooth feel. And of cause a different onset and duration.
 
Yeah I got the feeling the experience mirrored other tryptamines rather than LSD itself. Both Al-Lad & LSz appeared more similar, although longer acting & slower tof build, to 4-subs, particularly 4-ho-met.

TThe effects of these two ergoloids differ to those of LSD quite simply by delivering all the positives of the acid experience without anywhere near the same degree of physical, mental or emotional negatives.
 
I am sorry, but I don't really understand your comparison. I personally found AL-LAD to be very LSD/ergoloid like. The tryptamines I've tried are'nt at all that similar, in my opinion, although they do have some things in common of cause.

At the same level as you've taken AL-LAD and LSZ at, I dont see LSD having any physical, mental or emotional negatives either. Only at higher doses. But maybe that's just me. AL-LAD felt calmer than LSD, almost relaxing actually. But then again, I've had LSD that worked for me like that too.

I was thinking more in the line of how you found LSZ to differ qualitatively. How were the colors and patterns in comparison to LSD. As well as onset, duration, potency? How did it feel different than LSD?

I guess I'll just have to get some myself, to see what it's about =D
 
I'd certainly recomend it!

I think I'll have to run through LSz again to get a more accurate comparison to LSD. & taking an LSD trip, after 20 odd years of not having had it might be a good idea before I start on about comparisons. There are certainly many similarities between both Al & z to both LSD AND tryptamines, at least in the low dosage arena. I felt that the colours & textures appeared very similar. I did not feel as if the visual effects compared to a powerful dose LSD itself. My LSD experiences, by the way, have been predominately low dose anyway. So I kinda compare low dose, to low dose. Threshold effects are my speciality.

Same goes for duration, come-up etc. Having staggered the dose I can't be certain of onset & duration from a single, whole tab. Thats next on my mission list, probably a week from today, possibly at the weeknd. I prefer to get 10 days between travels but I'm eager to crack on, while it's warm & bright. Puts me in a good mindframe for tripping.

So yeah, I probably get a more generic psychedelic effect by dosing carefully & by taking low doses. More direct comparisons to high or average doses of LSD & other psychedelic might have to come from those prepared to try higher doses than I am at this early stage.
 
Pleasure! Do enjoy if you decide to partake & do let us know how you get on...
 
Great report mate! I'm intrigued about this one as well after such a wonderful, positive experience with the AL-LAD. You suggested it goes a bit deeper and that's what I'm interested in finding out. Although the AL gave me some really profound insight, I felt at times there was potential for more. My next experiment for definite.
 
Nice report i got some of this a couple of weeks ago and i am planning an excursion on this next weekend. Need to get tolerance down after al-lad two weeks ago and 25c last week. Probably go in at 150ug but hopefully there should be a few more reports coming in this weekend. I will post report as soon as i can.
 
I look forward to hearing if others feel the same. It's all subjective anyway, but it did to me feel a little deeper & a little longer, & a little slower burning, less exciting, more relaxing. So, longer, deeper, slower... If that's borne out, I'll be quite impressed that I discerned that from one session, on two well seperated half tabs Lol

Either way, I loved this stuff equally to Al-Lad & found, certainly at my cautious dosing more pleasant than the real acid I've done, also cautiously, in the past. I s'pose by comparing them to psilocybin I'm doing them an injustice because they aren't like psilocybin, they're each unique. But if I said, at these doses these two lysergides were as comfortable as a long, low but pleasant sesion on psilocybin or shrooms, that wouldn't be far off I don't think.

Longer, deeper, slower. Easy going like 4-subs & shrooms at low doses but with unique effects, slower to come on but with a longer duration. Higher doses, or even low doses in less controlled enviroments, can be as freaky & difficult as they would be on any other proper psychedelic!
 
Enjoyed reading. I once (about 120mics) had an LSD trip, at my first Rainbow Gathering in which there was a distinct codeine-like action (along with the psychedelic action). And this was from way back in my opiate naive days myself.
 
Thanks guys!

Some more reports are appearing & my impression of longer, slower, deeper is being borne out! Cool...

For the sake of argument, I recently had a spin round on 4-ho-mipt. The material was getting on in years & is now depleted. But the trip, equally mild but shorter than LSz or Al, was quite different in its effects & felt a little heavier on the body & mind.
 
FURTHER -

As an adjunct to the above experience, I have recently trialed LSz again, twice, & thus from whence forth shall I proclaim this shit is utterly, fucking, AMAZING!

Last weekend, on Sunday, I repeated the above experiment with the same dosage under almost identical circumstances & in the usual surroundings, on the exact same tolerance as above except instead of gumming & meditating, I chewed & swallowed immediately. I cannot be certain that the experience was much stronger but it did most definitely come on quicker.

As September is my month of birth, & often marks the final warm, sunny days of the year in the UK on a whim I took the afternoon off & chewed & swallowed an entire tab & a half LSz, today, at 1pm. Approximately 225ug! Even accounting for a touch of tolerance after the weekends research session, I am very, VERY impressed with the results & have spent the beautiful afternoon wandering the local forests & fields taking photographs, nipping home occassionally to eat, drink & stroke the cat before I prance off outdoors again.

I'm not going to go into any psychedelic detail, I can only advise anyone who might be interested that LSz is getting far too little attention in the shadow of Al-Lad & this is truly a very serious & visually gorgeous Psychedelic & one that I am certain any committed Psychonaut would deem indespensible!

I dont remember being this confident tripping apart from way back when I first took LSD in 1988 & in those few, halcyon days when shrooms were everywhere but before they were banned in the UK in, what, 2005? The times when I have been eager to push my own psychedelic limits are few & far between, & are all the more valuable for it! Summer 2013, as well as being one of the hottest & sunniest for many years here in SW London, will go down in my personal history as one of those cracking, classic, care-free "psychedelic times"!

I am deeply indebted to the remarkable vendor who shall remain nameless here, for furnishing me with one my top 3 trippiest summers of my life! Absolutely outstanding material, both LSz & Al-Lad! OUSTANDING!
 
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I'm not going to go into any psychedelic detail, I can only advise anyone who might be interested that LSz is getting far too little attention in the shadow of Al-Lad & this is truly a very serious & visually gorgeous Psychedelic & one that I am certain any committed Psychonaut would deem indespensible!

I agree totally, I would say Al-lad is a pretty euphoric, mild/medium visual, easy going trip, the Lsz is a little more edgy and medium/high visual trip but still pretty comfortable. Lsz just has lots more depth and flow. Its kinda like the difference between 25i and 25b-nbome the 25i was pretty euphoric, mild/medium visuals where the 25b was highly visual with much more depth and insight.
 
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