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Epilepsy and psychedilcs

heythatsmybike

heythatsmybike

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I'll start off with some background info and observations. This is mostly to do with my girlfriend, but figured it may spark some interesting discussion.

She has had epilepsy since she was 8. Photosensitive mostly but there are other factors that can contribute to her seizures. Before I met her, she was having at least one a week, the first time we met was the first time she smoked weed. Since then it has become a regular habit. Since we have been together she hasn't had a single seizure. I don't know if it's coincidence, but it seems that bud has actually helped with her epilepsy. She was on two types of medications epilum and something starting with k, can't remember what it was but she was weened off them 3 months after she started smoking.

Before introduing her to any other substances we took great precautions. Lots of research atempts and minute amounts ingested, slowly increasing the dosages. When it comes to psyches, she can handle them better than anyone I know. That is, she claims to have lesser effects than what everyone else is describing. She also normally has higher doses than everyone else now. My guess is the epilum is contributing to her lesser effects. These substances include LSD, shrooms, 2c-I, 2c-e and mdxx substances.

On one occasion she has smoked dmt. This is where my question lies and where it gets interesting. She had a moderate dose, enough to induce fair visuals but. No breakthrough. She described the feeling of the dmt coming as the same as the onset of a seizure, which scared the shit out of her. She didn't have one though, and I believe she just wasn't prepared for its intencity. Lately she has been asking if it would be a good idea on trying for a breakthrough, but I am really unsure of the actual pressure dmt can cause within the brain, and am reluctant to let her try it until I am convinced otherwise. I tried reading up on it but there is a surprisingly limited amount of real info on epilepsy with any substances. I know the whole idea is probably frowned upon, but that's not helpful.

Has anyone had any firsthand experience with such thing, and can anyone comment on the physical bodily effects of dmt (or other psyches in general)?
 
DMT is fairly harmless physically, but like you said there isn't a lot of data out there on some of these psychedelics and their effects on seizures.

The only thing I can think of is psychedelic induced stress contributing to a seizure? If you go ahead with this make sure you are there sober with her, though I'm sure you already know that. :)
 
DMT isn't completely harmless; it can put quite a strain on the heart so it's best to be cautious taking it if you have underlying heart issues or high blood pressure.

Sorry heythatsmybike I have no idea about adverse reactions someone with epilepsy might have with psychadelics. I'll to do some reading and get back to you.
 
Still not convinced sorry man, kind of hoping for some first hand reports and experience. It's all good and well to say that, but if happened to not be accurate I'd Imagine a seizure halfway through a dmt experience would quite a challenge to deal with. Potentially fatal, as all seizures are. Not dissing you mate, but it's not really credible.
 
^ Maybe you should ask this question in Psychedelic Drugs, or see if belarki/another mod can move it there for you? You will probably get more responses.

As always, the best course of action is to be on the safe side. If you can't find hard data one way or the other regarding the safety of DMT per seizure risk, then it might be better to skip it and try something that is proven to be safer.

Somewhat unrelated, but here is a case report of LSD causing seizures in a person with no prior history of them.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1502729/?page=1

That's from 1966, they say that there were no previous cases of seizures due to LSD in the literature.
 
Yeh sometimes the advise given on this site leaves alot to be desired! Saying dmt is harmless in this case without conclusive evidence to back it up, it a bit reckless. As has already been said, she already described the onset of dmt as similar to the onset of an epileptic seizure. Unless you yourself are epileptic, you can't just say that it will be completely harmless in this situation!

I spose just research into it as much as you can. It is a little worrying that she described the onset as similar to a seizure, but that also does not mean that she will have one if she breaks through. Although I do understand your worry in having to deal with a seizure mid-trip! Twould be quite scary and most definitely life threatening!

Research and good advice will always be your friend :)
 
Just to add, her LSD doses are usually 3drops at a minimum, and we cap our shroom
powder which she normally doses around 30-40caps. How she can bare that much shroom I don't know.
 
She seems pretty well comfortable with psychedelics, which is always a good thing. It is also good that she hasnt had one since being with you!! But yeh, still a little worrying that her description of dmt is similar to the onset of a seizure! Is she currently not on any form of seizure medication?!

I personally think that she should be fine. Her brain is used to psychedelics, altho not sudden onset psychedelics, which may be the only issue. Maybe try it again, with small doses spread out over a night, leading up to the big one. That mite help ease her into it and get comfortable with the feeling. Or maybe roll a dmt spliff?! I love dmt spliffs, it allows to slowly ease into the trip, and when you feel you've had enough, just don't have anymore!! I have broken through lots of times from dmt spliffs, it is a nice way of getting there without having your head blown off by taking it all in one hit!!!

Good luck!!!
 
Alcohol is another kettle if fish. These days she doesn't even try and drink. She has always been this way though, where she has two or three drinks and it makes her violently ill. Her asumption is that she is alergic to alcohol.
 
^ When you were talking about her previous experiences with psychedelics, were a lot of those when she was on her epilepsy meds?

And alcohol? Was she trying to drink when she was on the meds? Or has she used either alcohol or psychedelics off the meds?
 
She's been on meds (epilum) ever since she was diagnosed. All experiences have been on meds. Kepra was the other medication she was taking bit stopped 3 months after smoking weed.
 
^ So she is still on the epilum (sodium valproate) then? That could probably have something to do with blunting the psychedelic experience, not sure about alcohol but they might not mix well either.

Sorry for the questions, but from your first post I thought you meant that she weened off all meds 3 months after starting to smoke weed.
 
Ha all good. My bad man. With psychs I always figured that the epilum would be dulling it down but to actually want to eat that many shrooms Is still messed up :) I think it may have something to do with the booze too, as I was stupid enough one night to ingest one of them instead of one of MY specials ones (whenever we go out I'm always the sucker that has to carry her shit) and after an hour I was puking everywhere. I was pretty tanked at the time too. The next morning I found that my memory had been completly whipped
 
^ No problems. :)

Yeah that still is a lot of mushrooms, but the meds would explain the blunted psychedelic effect and the bad reaction to alcohol.

DMT, especially smoked/IV'd, is another matter though. It can be very, very intense. Did she elaborate on what the 'aura' symptoms she experienced were? By aura, I mean the warning signs she was going to have a seizure... it might have just been the anxiety due to the DMT, but like you have discovered there isn't a lot of data out there on DMT and seizure risk.
 
Weed is actually helping her control her seizures.

I am epileptic too and I start getting seizures not too long after I quit weed. Weed has been used medicinally to cure seizures for hundreds of years. I don't know where you live and how hard it is, but get her to talk to her neurologist about getting prescribed marijuana if she is old enough and meets all the requirements. Many patients are placed on pharmaceuticals for profit motive, not because they work. Many doctors prescribe patients weed when all other medications fail.. and all the reports I have heard about have said that peoples seizures drastically decreased or even stopped (with tonic-clonic/grandmal seizures) when prescribed weed.

Although I see the benefits I don't smoke anymore. There are different strands of weed which do different things (have you ever had a headache and weed has made it a lot better, or a lot worst). Also you do not know where your getting your weed from, people can mix it with coke, rat poisoning... which can induce more harm then benefit. So I strongly suggest she stops illegally using it and tries to obtain a green card.

I was wondering if your girlfriend has done DMT again and if it induced a seizure? I'm reading a lot of mixed things from the internet if DMT does or does not cause seizures.
 
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The other drug she's on is likely Clonazepam (with a c not a K, however to yanks it's known as Klonopin) You'd probably enjoy it.

People on clonazepam aren't likely to have a seizure at all. that's the point. It's an long acting benzo. Ask her for some.
 
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