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Sameria
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Ben cuzzins; please do us all a favour and stop breathing. Sooner rather than later.
I'm not particularly knowledgable in the area, but I do recall a few people saying that Australia has pretty relaxed entrapment laws compared to other countries (ie Undercovers buying drugs from dealers in clubs and then arresting them).
Law enforcement does whatever the hell they can get away with, and more, but it still doesn't mean they are ALLOWED to.
I'm not particularly knowledgable in the area, but I do recall a few people saying that Australia has pretty relaxed entrapment laws compared to other countries (ie Undercovers buying drugs from dealers in clubs and then arresting them).
Law enforcement does whatever the hell they can get away with, and more, but it still doesn't mean they are ALLOWED to.
Sustanon
Bluelighter
Lately there have been alot of weird individuals on this site. If u are new to this site i suggest giving respect to members who have been here quite a long time and not just because they have been browsing the forums and registered years ago but because they have put in a lot of quality knowledge and advice to help us all so please dont be disrespectful to others and u will get the same respect in return.
In regards to ur question i am uncertain about the exact procedures on how LE operate in Australia but when u hear stories of people getting arrested after purchasing from an undercover its because it all comes down to bribery. Talking about sum Asian countries here but i havmt heard of any incidents happening here altho there might have been. I know my mate in EU got arrested when an undercover bought sum pills off him in a nightclub that was full of drug users. There were so many drugs in that club virtually all 5000 people in there were all on sum form of club drug.
I find that LE have better things to do than just bust people with small amounts. They are after the bigger fish which makes a big impact and they can get a promotion / pay rise etc. I know for a fact in EU the LE had statistics and they had to reach there target otherwise they could loose there jobs in the end.
In regards to ur question i am uncertain about the exact procedures on how LE operate in Australia but when u hear stories of people getting arrested after purchasing from an undercover its because it all comes down to bribery. Talking about sum Asian countries here but i havmt heard of any incidents happening here altho there might have been. I know my mate in EU got arrested when an undercover bought sum pills off him in a nightclub that was full of drug users. There were so many drugs in that club virtually all 5000 people in there were all on sum form of club drug.
I find that LE have better things to do than just bust people with small amounts. They are after the bigger fish which makes a big impact and they can get a promotion / pay rise etc. I know for a fact in EU the LE had statistics and they had to reach there target otherwise they could loose there jobs in the end.
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
That's not entrapment. Entrapment is when a police officer persuades you to do something that you would not normally have done. If you are at a club, with a quantity of drugs, and readily selling them to people and one of those people happens to be an undercover cop, you are done and dusted.
thestudent14
Bluelighter
I've seen doco's where cops have gone undercover to get people to sell them large quantities of drugs.
But I think we need more info of what entrapment you are exactly referring to lagger for us to give a more detailed response.
But I think we need more info of what entrapment you are exactly referring to lagger for us to give a more detailed response.
pisspotnrock
Bluelighter
has anyone seen any cops episodes where they plan and exacute the most unneccusary drug busts on buyers? like they go threw all the effort to get some big black guy (obviously a cop, not stereotyping) to chill out some servo and sells mull/crack/what ever in very small quantities just to bust for buyer for say a gram of buds or a small rock of crack cocaine? seems to me like the biggest waste of resources/tax payers money (its in the states so i dont really give two fucks anyway) or they are just bored shitless...
brn cuzzins
Bluelighter
thats not entrapment
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my innerself
Bluelighter
^^^
thanks for sending me a private message telling me "my dick is hard" (his words).
Back on topic. The below text is copied straight from wikipedia.
In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability. However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informant or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person (see sting operation). So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.
In slightly different words: Even though someone may have sold drugs, as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three conditions are fulfilled:
The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
On the issue of entrapment, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.
thanks for sending me a private message telling me "my dick is hard" (his words).
Back on topic. The below text is copied straight from wikipedia.
In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability. However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informant or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person (see sting operation). So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.
In slightly different words: Even though someone may have sold drugs, as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three conditions are fulfilled:
The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
On the issue of entrapment, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.
Sameria
Bluelighter
Perhaps I worded that wrong.
I was thinking more along the lines of an undercover befriends the average punter at a club, and then later on in the nights asks if they can hook them up. Have seen this happen a couple of times and they seem to push it pretty hard. Going on with how they have already bee ripped off several times tonight, desperate to find some decent "drugs" haha.
I was thinking more along the lines of an undercover befriends the average punter at a club, and then later on in the nights asks if they can hook them up. Have seen this happen a couple of times and they seem to push it pretty hard. Going on with how they have already bee ripped off several times tonight, desperate to find some decent "drugs" haha.
heythatsmybike
Bluelighter
Anyone else think there could be a corelation between brn cuzzin and mr squiggle? Spiteful at original rejection?
Anyone heard of a situation where cops pretend to be dealers in clubs and bust your arseup that way? Kind of like the entrapment deal with hookers.
Anyone heard of a situation where cops pretend to be dealers in clubs and bust your arseup that way? Kind of like the entrapment deal with hookers.
Sustanon
Bluelighter
Ive seen almost all of the episodes and that one too where a big black guy sells fake crack n weed to drivers that drive thru the street, i mean how the hell can u be that dumb or fearless maybe desperate? that ud drive thru a street full of gangs that could rob or even kill u is beyond me.
sorry should have explained a bit more. I always see on Cops they have these stings.
I always thought it would fall under entrapment maybe I am wrong seeing as the people would have commited the crime at a later date. But they use undercovers to sell them drugs (normally a fake powder for coke and heroin, soap or something stupid if its crack, you get the idea. as soon as the sale is done or as soon as they pretty much commit to the deal they pull the car over and arrest the buyer
I always thought it would fall under entrapment maybe I am wrong seeing as the people would have commited the crime at a later date. But they use undercovers to sell them drugs (normally a fake powder for coke and heroin, soap or something stupid if its crack, you get the idea. as soon as the sale is done or as soon as they pretty much commit to the deal they pull the car over and arrest the buyer
TripppAR
Bluelighter
They regularly sell drugs to punters and then arrest them.
This happens at festivals..
I was arrested heading into a festival with 8 joints on me. Inside the portable command centre was 90% plain clothed officers that had been selling/ buying drugs.. fucking bullshit.
And all the dinger heads are going "I will never do this again"
lol..yeh right.
This happens at festivals..
I was arrested heading into a festival with 8 joints on me. Inside the portable command centre was 90% plain clothed officers that had been selling/ buying drugs.. fucking bullshit.
And all the dinger heads are going "I will never do this again"
lol..yeh right.
arjans haze
Bluelighter
A good mate of mine was a builder and married with 2 kids. Before the kids were born he loved his pills and the rave scene and due to him having the best connections he was our go to man for a night out. It was a case of us pooling our money and him buying 20 and keeping a few for himself for a cheap night out. Once he became a Dad he stopped partying but kept grabbing gear for his mates when needed. Soon he just bought in bulk, cut out the middle man and became the go to guy for smaller dealers and his original group of mates. His wife made a new friend at her mothers group who introduced her hubby to my mate and they started hanging out. The new friendly couple mentioned they enjoyed taking pills when they could get a sitter for the kids and asked my mate if he knew where to get some. He sold them a couple and over a year this continued and the deals with the couple became bigger and bigger. They even went on w'ends away together, family holidays, the undercovers watched my mates kids. Right up until the undercover asked him if he could do him a favour and sell him a shitload as he was in financial drama, had a buyer that would take them off his hands straight away and if he didnt he could lose his home. My mate said he would help and came through with the pills. Thats when the bust went down and the bloke my friend thought he knew put the cuffs on him....
Im not saying this constitutes entrapment by Aus law but it certainly shows the lengths the police will go to in order to make arrests.
Im not saying this constitutes entrapment by Aus law but it certainly shows the lengths the police will go to in order to make arrests.
SeveredPsyche
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Interesting read arjans haze. Not good, but he was a dealer even if he'd stopped taking it himself. Of course they wanted to bust him dealing. Perhaps he should've introduced one of his mates to his connection once he had a family.
Not just a street level dealer then. Is there more to this story?
Not just a street level dealer then. Is there more to this story?
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arjans haze
Bluelighter
Yeah I guess I was writing it from a mates perspective. He stopped using but kept dealing for money and was doing very well financially out of it. It just surprised us all what sort of work and deception went into the whole year long operation with the undercovers. He is now doing time, lost his home due to the proceeds of crime act and the wife has divorced him...
Exactly. I think too many of us forget that right or wrong, that drugs are illegal. If you make money/benefit from selling drugs then you're a dealer. If you're the contact for 5 mates and you're the one holding 10 pills, you're the dealer.
Drugs are illegal, simple as that. A guy I used to know was paranoid about being busted, and being careful. It took 30 seconds of stupidity (trying to pick up a girl with the offer of a line outside) and he was busted as the building security next door busted him on camera and called the cops.