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BoxeM

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It seems the general consensus from books, films and stories of any kind that enlightenment only comes about after a loud crash, crack and crumble.

- When an explorer loses his legs under a bolder in the Amazon and finds him self back home.

- When a guy chasing a girl, completely oblivious to the beauty hidden behind the spectacles and dull clothes realizes what he could have had when she dies.

Anyway what if becoming enlightenment is more of a pottering or a plod as opposed to a bigbaddaboom!

I suppose my question is: if enlightenment was a fart would it be one of the short, heavy dull bassy types or one of those lengthy, high pitches brassy types, which sound like you haven't wiped your arse well enough (which initially wasn't to cool, but it was totally worth it cos your'e now enlightened)
 
BoxeM said:
It seems the general consensus from books, films and stories of any kind that enlightenment only comes about after a loud crash, crack and crumble.
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i don't think that's true at all. when i think 'enlightenment', my automatic association is with terms like solitude, introspection, contemplation and meditation.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
i don't think that's true at all. when i think 'enlightenment', my automatic association is with terms like solitude, introspection, contemplation and meditation.

alasdair
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Your automatic associations with the word might have little relevance to the actual event of an enlightenment, however. I heard a story of a guy getting enlightened after sweeping and he swept a rock at a pile of wood and the wood pile crumbled and the guy had a cool little moment there.
 
BoxeM said:
It seems the general consensus from books, films and stories of any kind that enlightenment only comes about after a loud crash, crack and crumble.

- When an explorer loses his legs under a bolder in the Amazon and finds him self back home.

- When a guy chasing a girl, completely oblivious to the beauty hidden behind the spectacles and dull clothes realizes what he could have had when she dies.

Anyway what if becoming enlightenment is more of a pottering or a plod as opposed to a bigbaddaboom!

I suppose my question is: if enlightenment was a fart would it be one of the short, heavy dull bassy types or one of those lengthy, high pitches brassy types, which sound like you haven't wiped your arse well enough (which initially wasn't to cool, but it was totally worth it cos your'e now enlightened)
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Sorry to break the news that it's all about loss, but... it's all about loss.

That's the bad news.

The good news is that you don't lose anything that actually exists, i.e. is real in an actual sense.

But I'm sure some might think it's a bummer that you don't gain a damn thing. Nada.

A whole pile of illusions come tumbling down, is about it. The tale of Humpty Dumpty is descriptive. "Houses made of matchsticks and cards" kind of says something, too.

It's amazing how loud the crash can be, considering what the big pile of sh*te is built of....

Peace...
 
Then again, the crashing down of all this shit can be about as silent as the wind ruffling the leaves in a tree, yet as profound as an avalanche running down on your head.

It seems: the more profound the change, the more subtle it's surface appearance.
 
i think enlightenment comes when someone is so disconnected from society and they justify their disconnection, in whatever unique way they think of.
 
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i think enlightenment comes when someone is so disconnected from society and they justify their disconnection, in whatever unique way they think of.
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I'm not even sure what's the correlation there, but it seems to be way off.


Not that I would claim myself to be enlightened or anything close to that. But from what I have read about it, here's how I would explain it:

Enlightenment is the clear seeing of the reality. Dis-identification with thoughts (beliefs), feelings and everything a human experiences.
One would not see phenomena (anything for that matter) as his or her or anyones anymore, but just as conditioned & inherently empty of an essential, enduring identity.
But it would be also accompanied with the experiential seeing (not a mere intellectual understanding or a belief), that everything is one.
 
being said:
I'm not even sure what's the correlation there, but it seems to be way off.


Not that I would claim myself to be enlightened or anything close to that. But from what I have read about it, here's how I would explain it:

Enlightenment is the clear seeing of the reality. Dis-identification with thoughts (beliefs), feelings and everything a human experiences.
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That's about it... and is why "seeing the reality" is actually not a small matter.

It primarily involves seeing the false as false, because falsehood is, in a way, constituted of/supported by reality.

So you look past the content and see what it's constituted of, so to speak.

As long as one is deeply invested in content, "reality" is, for all intents and purposes, nonexistent. One is essentially staring fixedly at 'falsehood' and ignoring what's behind and beyond it.

You have to disinvest in it and take your eyes off it, and the truth is then obvious.
 
P.S. The funny thing is, too, that as long as one is invested in "falsehood", it will appear entirely real, meaningful, important, crucial, essential -- despite the fact that it's actually unnecessary, inessential, unimportant and dispensable.

The reason it can't be seen is because "That which invests in falsehood" is reality.

Reality essentially deludes itself (and dilutes itself) into a mixture of true and false -- "some"one. "Some"thing. Only some reality there.

Peace...
 
I don't know what the fuck the op is talking about but...



Enlightenment is the realization that there is no enlightenment. Think about that.
 
.Lucid. said:
Enlightenment is the realization that there is no enlightenment. Think about that.
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Enlightenment is not a definition of what enlightenment is, no matter how 'good' the definition.

No words can describe or contain it, because it is simply life lived free of illusion and self-deception.

And the belief that one can define, describe and delineate life and reality in words is illusion and self-deception.
 
The great paradox of thought/words is that it's perfectly placed for everyone except the one thinking the thoughts/speaking the words.

It presents a backward view to that one, suggesting that one is out there in the world and being looked at by others.

Never mind that you're actually right here, looking out through your eyes... thought is going to tell you you're out there and being looked at.
 
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