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enlightenment √ now what...?

There is nothing to find. The secret is, there is no secret. That is the secret!
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er.. talk for yourself
many people have without a doubt learned things they didn't know through various levels of enlightenment
 
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I've sort of been trying to find the answer to this question for the past 3 years...

Say one combines a rigorous regiment of mushrooms and meditation and finds himself thoroughly convinced that materialism and consumerism are the causes of human suffering. This person meditates, hones his mindfulness and expands his loving-kindness...

How does this person, on the Earth in the year 2009, escape the stranglehold of consumerism and fruitless desire for accumulating wealth. Do you think it is possible to live this way at all?


I seem to have been wavering on this precipice for a while- as if I'm so close to actually realizing the Right Path, but it's being blocked by something I can't see...
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Im wondering right now what that has to do with being enlightened. Nobody can be enlightened, because there is no truth in the world that someone can discover as the ultimate and purest path. Your thread title betrays your post.
 
When you reach enlightenment, you reach an understanding yet it is not an intellectual understanding it is as if inside a pure form of spiritual wisdom. But reaching enlightenmet does not mean it is all in one go, but you enlarge that on a continuous basis and you are in that field and of that as one!
 
There have been a few times during my meditations, where I saw "so much" and felt so enlightened in the moment, that it almost seemed like I might as well die right then because life was sort of pointless. (lucky I have an ability to force myself to forget certain things I've seen for the sake of enjoying the rest of my life)

I think the point of life is that we lose our enlightenment, that's part of what makes incarnating in this realm so much fun!

It's alllll a game! :)
 
I'm not sure that was a pure form of enlightenment though in the pure sense of the word!
You could have been in some medium form. In enlightenment there is a peace and a form of a pure intelligence, similar to that of the purity of a child, and yet so very wise! I don't believe meditation has a place in it, though meditation may be the step to take you there.
I don't know what feeling of life being pointless you mean, in the state of enlightenment there is a pure bliss kind of sense and lightness of being, and of infinity-not pointless, never that!
 
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Haha no, not really enlightenment, thats not the right word, just seeing the "big picture" to the point where my little life seemed so meaningless and there were no worries or challenges anymore. I would call it an extreme state of blissful detachment. It felt like I was just a part of all things and my ego mind, with all it's desires and what not didn't exist.
 
I see, like from a birdseye point of view! Ya! I understand! Detachment does that, yet all our lives are so meaningfull, and each one of us counts and are part of that picture! Not in a selfish kind of way, but part and parcel of the big picture!
 
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Agree fully, and this is where one cannot heal on their own, but need other human beings as catalysts to change and healing! You are an old "soul"!
 
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Changed said:
I've sort of been trying to find the answer to this question for the past 3 years...

Say one combines a rigorous regiment of mushrooms and meditation and finds himself thoroughly convinced that materialism and consumerism are the causes of human suffering. This person meditates, hones his mindfulness and expands his loving-kindness...

How does this person, on the Earth in the year 2009, escape the stranglehold of consumerism and fruitless desire for accumulating wealth. Do you think it is possible to live this way at all?


I seem to have been wavering on this precipice for a while- as if I'm so close to actually realizing the Right Path, but it's being blocked by something I can't see...
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Strangehold? You must realize how much worse life was 100 years ago, or 50 years ago. There were fewer protections for civil rights. Fewer aid organizations. Less medical treatments.

Everything in moderation, including consumerism and materialism, but look, we are physical, evolved, creatures. We have material needs, and we have some material desires. Nothing wrong with that, and by harnessing those energies appropriately, we've made some pretty amazing strides forward.

:) After reading this heavily Buddhist thread, I couldn't help adding my materialistic Western opinion to the subject. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go buy something.
 
I live a very simple life. I'd like to escape Babylon but Babylon is everywhere. "I'd love to change the world" (lyrics to a song, I forget which one) and have been banging my head against a brick wall (of bigots, narrow-minded, "blind/deaf" ppl) most of my life.

Last night I had a relevation to just quit trying to change the world. Sort of like quit trying to find Ur soulmate and the solution/soulmate will come to U.

Maybe both at once: If I could hookup with someone rich/famous (preferable 12 powerful disciples or like-minded individuals) we/I could save the world.
 
Escaping Babylon happens from inside of Babylon. Nobody can influence the world alone. The effect on an individual from that individual influences others, and therefore the world.
 
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