Opioids Endo MS Contin 30mg

[newbie22]

I realize there are countless threads about MS Contin, but most seem to give advice on shooting/plugging the pill. I understand the oral BA is very low but given the strenght of morphine in general, even 30% is a nice hit. My questions is, has anyone figured out a decent method to breaking the time release on these pills? When you crush them up and add water it gels back up...meaning it does the same thing when you swallow it.

Do y'all think crushing it up and letting it dissolve in water for a few hours would release the morphine? I can break the time release with Kadians beads, but these endos are in tablet form. Any suggestions?

 

[newbie22]

Any ideas?

 

[adder]

There's no MS Contin here concerning controlled-release morphine pills so I can't help you out if I don't know the pill. But anyway, morphine is hardly a buzz orally even it's all the dose from a controlled-release pill. You could even try taking it per rectum and still you would need a lot more than when it's taken i.v. for a high. For example, I knew a guy who got his tolerance high enough to have to plug 500mg of morphine to feel anything. And it was no euphoria. Injecting 1/3 of his p.r. dose would give him hell of a high. The BA is really low for all ROAs but i.v.

 

[ONandOFF777]

If the Endo 30’s are the round army green ones that do not have a coating they are, in my opinion the easiest the best ms contin to prep for IV use.

I know everyone stresses that you should not heat pills however I believe that as long as you use proper technique and a micron filter it is not as bad as shooting any other pill with out heat.

Here is my method with these particular pills.

Crush pill up in straw so you can have it ready to dump into spoon when its time.
Add about 150 units (1.5ml) of water to the spoon.
Heat with lighter until you see bubbles start to form and the water starts to slightly boil.
QUICKLY dump powder from straw into hot water and QUICKLY stir well.
Add a little more heat with lighter tell its starts to bubble slightly.
Then quickly stir again and suck up with large cotton as fast as you can.
Let the liquid cool and micron filter or at least re-filter with cotton packed rig.

As long as you are using the Endo generics you should end up with about 100 units (1ml) of a slightly tinted (orange for the 60’s, green for the 30’s, blue for the 100’s) very clear liquid with no slimy or oily texture. I always try to use a micron filter any time I am shooting pills, but I (not proud of it) have done many of these with out a micron and missed many a shot and never had an issue.

Once the solution has cooled any particles that became soluble due to the higher temp should fall out of solution and be filtered with your second filtration.


Hope this helps!!!!!!

 

[psychopath]

I do not have good advice on how to prepare for IV use, but DO NOT HEAT the pill. Heating dissolves binders and other inactive ingredients that are very bad for you body.

 

[ONandOFF777]

Yes, You are correct the general consensus it that heating pills is bad, however in this case it is the only way I am aware of, short of maybe some advanced chemistry, to extract the active ingredient while avoiding the gelling properties.

Also my understanding is that as long as you allow the solution to cool before you micron filter the particles that became soluble at the higher temperature will precipitate out of the solution thus allowing them to be filtered out.

I can never remember who it is but I think it is one of the mods Hydrooxazine (don’t know if that’s how you spell the name) or something like that has a diagram posted in a thread somewhere on bluelight that shows the theory behind this.

Am I wrong here? Is this correct information? It makes since to me but at the same time I am no chemist so I am not an authority on the matter.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

I don't have experience with these but I would NOT RECOMMEND HEATING unless you really know what you're doing and have a solid enough knowledge to be able to properly prepare and filter these. Fastnbulbous has an excellent guide on how to properly do this but unless you have the ability to follow his instructions properly, you're likely putting yourself at a lot of unnecessary risk here.

PLEASE do not heat ANY PILLS you inject unless you absolutely know what you're doing, know what is making it into your final shot and can filter out the ingredients that are most hazardous.

 

[amapola]

Yes, You are correct the general consensus it that heating pills is bad, however in this case it is the only way I am aware of, short of maybe some advanced chemistry, to extract the active ingredient while avoiding the gelling properties.

Also my understanding is that as long as you allow the solution to cool before you micron filter the particles that became soluble at the higher temperature will precipitate out of the solution thus allowing them to be filtered out.

I can never remember who it is but I think it is one of the mods Hydrooxazine (don’t know if that’s how you spell the name) or something like that has a diagram posted in a thread somewhere on bluelight that shows the theory behind this.

Am I wrong here? Is this correct information? It makes since to me but at the same time I am no chemist so I am not an authority on the matter.

Hey ONandOFF777,

The diagram is mine. It is only explicitly accurate for purely physical changes (e.g. possibly not correct for polymer based sustained release substances which could undergo chemical changes) but nothing is going to precipitate out in your veins if you have already filtered it while cold. The issue would be somehow introducing other toxic substances or allow smaller but still solid materials to pass through the micron which would have been caught if they had still been larger.

 

[ONandOFF777]

Amapola, so as long as solution is cooled and then micron filtered it should be relatively safe, or at least as safe as any other pill that has been mixed cold and micron filtered?

The way I understand your statement is that there is a possibility that by heating the polymer you could be actually chemically changing it into some sort of a toxic or more harmful substance. Is my understanding correct?

That being said is it your opinion that as long as you allow the solution to cool and then micron filter heating pills is not necessarily any more harmful or dangerous than not heating pills and micron filtering them?

Also you seem to point out that even if you heat something and it goes into solution due to the heat and you inject it, the particles are not going to fall out of solution in your body due to the fact that your body is at 98.6 degrease, that is I am guessing unless they need a higher temperature to stay in solution than body temp. The particles could still cause problems when they get to your organs such as kidneys, liver, lungs and so on, correct?

For some reason this whole subject really interests me because so many people here go on and on about not heating pills, and I see many posts where the poster does not add anything to the discussion rather they just write in bold caps “don’t heat pills” when in some situations with some pills it is necessary and when done properly can be just as safe as any other pill without heat.

Obviously in the interest of harm reduction no one should heat a pill unless they know what they are doing and have proper tools, but I would rather see some one learn the proper procedure using heat for a pill like the one at hand instead of listening to someone who says “never heat pills” and then trying to inject a big blob of jelly goop which would be WAY more harmful and dangerous than even the worst procedure using heat with these pills.

 

[hydrochron]

If your going to take it orally you might want to consider taking 2. I've gotten a decent buzz from just eating a couple of them whole. Basically those little mscontins take alot of time and energy to prepare, that's why your better off just eating them. From what I remember you can put them in water and let them gel, then separate the morphine into the water by heating (yes heating). Then draw the liquid up and skip the goop.

Better to eat them unless you know exactly what your doing and have a micron. It probably would be worth it if you could do it the proper way, it's just going to be a hassle.

 

[ONandOFF777]

It is really not hard at all and can be done in less than a min, in fact speed is a necessary part of the process. Heating the water takes less than 30 sec, dump powder and quickly stir, heat for another 10 to 15 sec at most and suck up as fast as possible before it cools and begins to gel. Run under cool water and micron filter. BAM!!! Done in a couple of minutes at most and a few more seconds to slam and you are high.
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Eat them and you are going to have to eat at least 4 times the amount and it is going to take at least an hour to peak.

So I would say from the time you start to the time your high the heat, cool, filter, bang method beats oral all day long.

 

[amapola]

^Although that will get you high it is also extremely bad for your body. The hot partic