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End of Physical Withdrawal, the Begining of PAWs, What Should I Know? (3 year habit)

One thing that gets a lot of people is the malaise, which is often experienced for some time after stopping opiate usage. Benzos may help, but are not a permanent answer, if one at all. Triggers are something you will need to think about each day, get the fighting spirit going! You may feel uneasy, but it will pass. Keep up the good work :)

I find with a trigger this works nearly all of the time:
S: Stop
O: Observe
B: Breathe (or become aware of the breath)
E: Elaborate
R: Respond.

If you do something simple like that each time you get an urge, you are a lot closer to averting a relapse. Exercise goes a long way, you need to get the endorphins flowing again in a healthy way...but you may feel unmotivated, that is an obstacle I recommend working on overcoming throughout your recovery.
 
soul mate said:
One thing that gets a lot of people is the malaise, which is often experienced for some time after stopping opiate usage. Benzos may help, but are not a permanent answer, if one at all. Triggers are something you will need to think about each day, get the fighting spirit going! You may feel uneasy, but it will pass. Keep up the good work :)

I find with a trigger this works nearly all of the time:
S: Stop
O: Observe
B: Breathe (or become aware of the breath)
E: Elaborate
R: Respond.

If you do something simple like that each time you get an urge, you are a lot closer to averting a relapse. Exercise goes a long way, you need to get the endorphins flowing again in a healthy way...but you may feel unmotivated, that is an obstacle I recommend working on overcoming throughout your recovery.
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Thank you for your response soul mate, I have actually been working out 3 times a day since I quit. Light workouts, low weight and high reps, then a hot soak and a stretch.

I have found ways to fight the triggers. One of them is actually talking it out right here. Others are hobbies, work, etc. When I find myself sitting in bed doing nothing, I make a point to find something to do, even if it's just vacuuming the floor.

I will certainly take your advice next time I'm tempted, but I'm being honest here, I stopped benzos two days ago and I have not had cravings yet. If anything the thought of doing one makes me sick, but I know in a few weeks I'll crave.

Thank you for your advice, it's much appreciated,

-FRF
 
So day 8...yeah. I thought I had tapered really low on the Suboxone, but it still takes a good bit to get over it.

It certainly comes in waves, but I think those waves are because I take Gabapentin at night (knocks me straight out), then I'm still feeling it all day and feel totally fine.
Then night rolls around, and by 7 I'm panicking, and I can't take any yet. They make me look so messed up if I don't go to sleep, people will think I relapsed.

Another problem, my so called doctor prescribed me waaaay to many benzos for my WDS. I took them for three months daily as it said on the bottle. What was I thinking!?!?!?

I'm a year away from Pharmacy school! How could I be so stupid. I knew that was way to much, for way too long, so now I am rapidly stopping benzos. I take 2 a day max.
I won't get into the specifics of what was prescribed, but trust me, it was a stupid huge amount, and I took it as directed, which was a horrible idea.

So today was rough, but I just started day 8 at midnight so I must celebrate with a big 'ol southern bowl of weed.

I'm still clean, it's rough, but I'm still happy and committed, never again opiates, never again,
-FRF
 
Your doing great<3.. and your getting close to the top.. she may push kinda hard here. you got this and your not going back.. just a little bit more and you will be traveling down hill instead of running up.. nothing back there for you but restarting the hard climb you have already made.. way to go!!!!
 
neversickanymore said:
Your doing great<3.. and your getting close to the top.. she may push kinda hard here. you got this and your not going back.. just a little bit more and you will be traveling down hill instead of running up.. nothing back there for you but restarting the hard climb you have already made.. way to go!!!!
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neversickanymore, you are seriously half the reason I'm still clean. I don't even know you, but I love you for what you've done for me.

Thank you a thousand times,
-FRF
 
FordRiverFailed said:
1. I'm on day 5 of no Opiates of any kind. Honestly, I feel fine. I acquired some Gabapentin (100% legally) and feel totally normal.
There is only one side effect, it works so well that I look a bit drunk even if I take it at night. The next day I'm still stumbling.

My question: I tapered down to almost nothing, skipping days and taking .1 mg of sub when I stopped. Have I stopped physically withdrawaling for the most part?
How long should I expect the physical to last?

My second question: I only take 1 capsule, 400mg, should I cut that in half?


You don't have to read this, it's just the background from the other thread I requested to be closed.



I think this might be a double post, I'd rather keep the one with the title end of physical withdrawal, beginning of Paws etc.
Mods feel free to clean up.


Update: Someone asked about my taper schedule, so here it is

Hey, no problem. I love harm reduction and helping people with this kind of thing. I'm actually trying to go to pharmacy school, but I am no doctor so do not assume what I'm about to tell you is safe. I did it, but everyone is different. I am not a doctor but I did get clean (six days so far) this way with little pain. I am on day six right now and I've been running around all day having fun like nothing was wrong, tonight got worse though it comes in waves.

I was doing around 80mg Opana (Oxymorphone) a day. That's a lot. But still, 2 to 3 mg of sub stopped my withdrawals. Anymore and I think it's just a waste of time. Either you're trying to quit or your maintaining. There's a difference. That amount will allow you to feel normal, but not high. You have to decide, do you want to just stop withdrawing, or do you want to quit? Because at some point, you have to pay back all the fun you had.

The taper:
  • Day 1: 2 to 3 mg of sub (or a bit more if you are really uncomfortable)
  • Day 2: Same, just stabilize and have a good day.
  • Day 3: 1 to 1.5 mg sub
  • Day 4: Same as day 3. Stabilize.
  • Day 4 and 5: .5 mg sub
  • Day 6: Nothing, benzos if you have them.
  • Day 7: .5 mg sub
  • Day 8: Nothing, benzos if you got em
  • Day 9: .25 mg sub
  • Day 10: No more opiates period. Loperamide and Gabapentin if you can find it. Benzos work too but just be careful with them. It's easy to trade addictions.

That's my taper. I was taking crumbs of sub pills (not even enough to measure) and skipping days and that made it much easier at the end. You could add a few more days if you need to depending on how much you do, but that's the path. Two days of the same amount, so you have a rest day, then cut it in half. Once you get down to .5 or .25 start skipping days. This helps you get some of the WDS out of the way. At least that's how I felt about it.

Gabapentin - It's is a godsend for me. No cravings, mild WDS, getting sleep.

Also, short workouts. Low weight high reps. You'll hate it at first but after that take a hot shower and stretch, you'll feel like a million bucks.
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Well done and good luck with your recovery.
All the best,
Evey :)
 
Eveleivibe said:
Well done and good luck with your recovery.
All the best,
Evey :)
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Thank you Evey,

I am on day 8, and I feel alright. Little cold bumps here and there, but to be expected.

I went to the Doctor today and found out that my other doctor had gotten me horribly addicted to Valium. 10 mg x 3 a day and 1 mg Alprazolam! For three months!
I was in pain, so I took it as the bottle said, but I am (hopefully) a year away from pharmacy school, I fucking know better than that!

Sorry, that was harsh, but it's true. The pain of withdrawal made me rationalize the dosage, it's still my fault I took them.
I blew thew them pretty fast so now I'm in a bit of a pickle. The Gabapentin should save me from seizure though, and he took all my vitals and said I was nowhere near danger.

So at least I have that in mind, a good doctor told me I was fine and that I just wasn't going to sleep great, (like I was before anyway pfffft) and to do anything I can to make myself comfortable (pfffft).

I am so freaking lucky to have understanding parents. I told them all of this, and they just sat there and said how can we help?
I always think of that when I'm feeling bad, some people don't have parents that give them the chance to detox at home with all those comforts.

Anyway, manic day, but still clean, actually even cleaner no more benzos,
-FRF
 
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Eveleivibe said:
That 's brilliant that you have understanding parents I'm pleased about that. Well done on day 8 x
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Thank you Eve, and yes although it makes them uncomfortable they just want me to get better. Our family doctor told them I just need to taper off the benzos, (I cold stopped them), so it hurt a bit but I was no where near danger. I'm still not feeling great, but I wasn't expecting to. It's just going to take some time.

I saw one of my favorite bands last night and blew off some steam. I've never been addicted to psychedelics, in fact the whole thing made me want to reevaluate my life in general.
Met nice people, had seats in the nose bleeds, but after the first song sat front row (I'm really convincing when I'm happy and excited), and brought 6 nose bleeders with me. All in all a good weekend, very tired but "I'm so tired am I'm wired too?".

There's a little clue for ya on who I saw.
 
I've heard it's not safe to cold turkey from benzos so your doctors right.
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I know, I appreciate the concern. I was worried too, but I'm on day 4? without them and I don't feel like I'm anywhere near a seizure. I'm just wired and chilly and easily startled. The gabapentin is supposed to help with preventing seizure somewhat I've read so I'm taking that as perscribed and it seem to do just fine. I just drink a glass of wine at night and I'm out for at least 4 hours, which in benzo and opiate withdrawal at the same time is not to shabby.

Thanks eve, as always, much appreciated,
-FRF
 
Today I got my prescription I am supposed to taper with...but I've been without them for 5 days already. It was diazepam though, so I guess 5 days might not be long enough to know if I was going to really get sick.

I'll be honest so to you, I didn't ever take those 90 mg Valium as prescribed. I was in opiate withdrawals and I took them fast...like ran out in 2 weeks. I also lost alot, so there is no telling for three months what I was taking
-the question, would me not taking 3 10mg valium 3 x a day and always keeping it in my system make the WDS worse that if kinda blew threw them?
I'm only asking because of the half life. It's so long that I feel like not taking
them every day for 3 months might be slightly better than just a high dose really fast then nothing. I can elaborate on why, I was rapidly tapering suboxone. Like a 5 day detox. I'd use the diazepam to survive and function,
then when it ran out I'd stabalize on subuxone till the next script.
When I ran out I would go a a week or two with nothing and didn't feel bad.

That's the honest truth, right now I take nothing but Gabapentin, yeah I didn't quite do it the best way, but I needed to do it fast for personal reasons.

What do you all think?
-FRF
 
^ I think if you aren't getting benzo withdrawal then hell no don't take them everyday. Take them as needed for the opiate withdrawal symptoms otherwise save them.

You're doing so great FrF!
 
I can't really advise n wouldn't like to to be honest because I don't know much about benzos n wouldn't like to say the wrong thing. However, others with more experience will be around soon who could besr advise.

Ah... While thinking on this, there is a thread that some has made on 'Other Drugs,' called Diazepam Withdrawal. Someone started it to ask for help with tapering of valium n two people who have been tapering have conversed through it with others joining in. I think this may be a very valuable thread for you. And it will help you get to know like-minded people. The people are crampz m magic if that helps a bit.

Take care,
Evey xxxx
 
^ That dose help Eve, I will certainly look the thread, or them up for a specific question. I won't lie, I took 2 mg of alprazolam tonight because I was very edgy and soar, but since it has such a short half life, when I wake up tomorrow it will be gone.
That's what's scary about diazepam, if I had taken three a day for three months off, my druggy instinct tells me that would be worse than a fast binge.

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction, love as always,
-FRF
 
So I'm like around a week clean off of suboxone, and I still get the chills and stuff.

That's not so much the problem as sleep. It's hard to go to sleep, and when I do, I sleep for 12 hours. Also, no matter how long I sleep, I'm still really tired when I wake up and all day.
Is this normal at this stage?

Just curious,
-FRF

P.S. Been up for hours and I'm still yawning.
 
I've often heard people say that they've been tired for months after quitting suboxone. However, I can't give you a genuine answer from experience. Have you visited the OD Suboxone Mega thread and asked them there? Lots of members there have experience with suboxone withdrawal and you will get varied answers as well as some advice and ways to aid sleep. Hope things are better for you soon xxxx
 
Thank you very much, I will check that out.

Much love and well wishes to all,
-FRF

Also, to update, I feel much better at night than I do in the morning. It's just really hard to get going at first. Like way harder than it would be for a normal person who didn't get much rest.
My body feels like it weighs 100kg. It's weird. Could be the Gabapentin still doing it's thang since it has such a long half life.

Anyway, just my 2 Cents, I'll be up tonight if anyone wants to chat about the good or the bad,
-FRF
 
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hey ford your doing great=D<3 the big break comes in about a week<3 man but the onlu thing to go back to is the pain you have already passed.. one of the many shit parts of opiates is that we all have to climb through it on the way out.. you atr doing amazing.. just a couple more days and you willl be out of the woods.. shit sir you already know there isn;t anything back there but what you have already made the maazing effort to push through.. your doing it and thats all that matters.. nothing left but a start to what you have already done.. you got this.. is it going to be uncomfportable yeah.. will you make it through it yrah man. the only other choice is getting dumped back at the start...

You got this..<3

what kind of music do you like"
 
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