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You helped me so much today @Nas47 .
Thank you.
So much.
Thank you.

This was what I was trying to figure out.
Simply incredible that this spirit can live across the “shore” so to speak.
So much makes sense now.

God bless you!
❤️
 
To help someone really makes me glad.Thank u too for good starting of the day.Keep on the fight.gonna help each others remotely🙏❤️💪💪💪
Excellent!
Nothing I would like more than to have an allie.
You have Great wisdom.
It is not like you can just say this to anyone ya know?
Thank you again. With all of my heart.
❤️💕👍👍👍
 
Priests,if they are a real,true priests from the calling of their hearts

The subject matter and central-eastern European phrasing of that sentence suddenly brought to mind Zosima (the priest from Dostoevsky's novel Brat'ya Karamazovy); he was a priest, or rather a monk, who people would flock to, a healer of sorts. Was a mystical sort of guy, also a genuinely nice guy, seemed to have a divine connection. In anycase, he died at a certain point (it is a long book) and his body very quickly began to decay and smell bad. This was a big scandal because true holy men were not supposed to quickly decay and smell after they died. So the sound and tone of your statement, "priests,if they are a real, true priests from the calling of their hearts" took me back to the good, true priest Zosmia and his suspiciously smelly corpse 🤔. Great novel

As far as the toxicity of empathy you have to think of the origins of where empathy comes from. It comes from ones own ability to empathize with the pain of another based upon their own similar experience or history. So in some ways, empathy is really a reflection of your own pity for yourself. In some ways sympathy is more noble because it isn't based on some shared personal experience. A woman who's husband left her has a greater capacity to empathize with a woman in a similar situation than one without that shared experience. Anyone who has ever described themself to me as being an "empath" has also been noticeably and conspicuously more self-focused and egocentric than the general population.

Think of the empathy that MDMA produces. Is that valuable and meaningful, particularly the outward expression of that to others? Say a person amongst a group of people at a rave, while high on MDMA, turns to their group of friends and says, "man I love you guys, I'm going to always be there for you guys", or perhaps think back on a deep conversation with a friend while high on MDMA, how strong of a bond did that actually form?

Funny enough, I once slept with a girl who was engaged to be married, and was a self-described "empath". Right before I said, "hey aren't you engaged?", and she said, "yes, but once when he and I took MDMA together we said we'd both understand and forgive each other if we cheated on one another". I thought, damn people suck 🤔 and then proceeded to sleep with her because I am no priest like Zosmia (although in retrospect Zosima was implied in the novel to be a womanizer when he was younger -- perhaps thats why his corpse stunk).

So yeah, empathy can be toxic, and ultimately of questionable value. True sympathy, is more noble: feeling bad for someone even though you have no experience with their type of suffering and cannot relate.

But conversely, empathy is what builds non-profit foundations, etc. No one starts a foundation for a rare form of pediatric cancer because they sympathize with the sufferers. They start it because their daughter had it. Humans, like all animals, behave largely and almost entirely in pursuit of self-interest or as a reaction to truama.
 
I came from night shift thinking about frickin million other stuff to do don't know where to start cause I f... hate that my sorroundings think that O he's smart he can do that for Us, I need to somehow act that I'm burned, or just start to fuck up things but something inside me won't allow that and I seem to manage all those things but I wait for breakdown like forever.
I love you whoever you are I'm going to sleep because you proved that I can go to sleep without pills and anxiety-free to me for now with this post you are burning bush, proof of life, tax report...you are my savior today!
Another example is if you’re the one all of your family members flock to for advice. This may cause you to become overwhelmed by all of their problems. This may leave you feeling drained and make you feel like you have no time left to take care of your own problems.
not just advices I'm their chain( you know I don't know what happiness is?, or success but pleasing others is not for sure!)
 
The subject matter and central-eastern European phrasing of that sentence suddenly brought to mind Zosima (the priest from Dostoevsky's novel Brat'ya Karamazovy); he was a priest, or rather a monk, who people would flock to, a healer of sorts. Was a mystical sort of guy, also a genuinely nice guy, seemed to have a divine connection. In anycase, he died at a certain point (it is a long book) and his body very quickly began to decay and smell bad. This was a big scandal because true holy men were not supposed to quickly decay and smell after they died. So the sound and tone of your statement, "priests,if they are a real, true priests from the calling of their hearts" took me back to the good, true priest Zosmia and his suspiciously smelly corpse 🤔. Great novel

As far as the toxicity of empathy you have to think of the origins of where empathy comes from. It comes from ones own ability to empathize with the pain of another based upon their own similar experience or history. So in some ways, empathy is really a reflection of your own pity for yourself. In some ways sympathy is more noble because it isn't based on some shared personal experience. A woman who's husband left her has a greater capacity to empathize with a woman in a similar situation than one without that shared experience. Anyone who has ever described themself to me as being an "empath" has also been noticeably and conspicuously more self-focused and egocentric than the general population.

Think of the empathy that MDMA produces. Is that valuable and meaningful, particularly the outward expression of that to others? Say a person amongst a group of people at a rave, while high on MDMA, turns to their group of friends and says, "man I love you guys, I'm going to always be there for you guys", or perhaps think back on a deep conversation with a friend while high on MDMA, how strong of a bond did that actually form?

Funny enough, I once slept with a girl who was engaged to be married, and was a self-described "empath". Right before I said, "hey aren't you engaged?", and she said, "yes, but once when he and I took MDMA together we said we'd both understand and forgive each other if we cheated on one another". I thought, damn people suck 🤔 and then proceeded to sleep with her because I am no priest like Zosmia (although in retrospect Zosima was implied in the novel to be a womanizer when he was younger -- perhaps thats why his corpse stunk).

So yeah, empathy can be toxic, and ultimately of questionable value. True sympathy, is more noble: feeling bad for someone even though you have no experience with their type of suffering and cannot relate.

But conversely, empathy is what builds non-profit foundations, etc. No one starts a foundation for a rare form of pediatric cancer because they sympathize with the sufferers. They start it because their daughter had it. Humans, like all animals, behave largely and almost entirely in pursuit of self-interest or as a reaction to truama.
First my language is realyy bad and feel goin'crazy.something that u want and suceed Second i know what the person u are.Something,that scattered me from the deepest of my soul You are here from long time,a mod... And you really made something really disgusting.....Talk avout Shady... And one of his picture-you (and that's was the moment,that i feel what a person is u)...told his name,where he live and so on.So I was astonished.Realy sorry,that we can't talk on my own language....so much things to say.Why y do this?As to corpses and all smell bad-well this is show me ur real self.....someone with...BIIG.....fuck you are patetic.Can't speak on english...try to translate:
Усещам те що за човек си ...седиш там отзад от години...озлобен...готов да захапеш Не съм чел Достоевски и примера ти с трупа е отвратителен.Нападаш ме без причина тъпо копеле.Какво знаеш ти за мен?Нула си пич....кръгла нула....потресен съм как като Мод или админ разкриваш факти за хора,имена...с какво право?Да го духаш...ще си тръгна,когато разбера дали един невероятен човек е жив или мъртъв...JTemperance....Живей си жалкия живот.Till now.One year ..I am here ..never heard of you some support,some heart,some love,some beauty.....a bad,ugly face of America....that is u.Thanks God for people like Xo,Darvo,Autotripper,Snafu,Robi...Hate?I have...seems u have too.
(had to edit out threatening content, ptah)
PS.
Empathy is much more than sympathy.You can have sympathy for mouse or dog,but empathy is capability your soul to touch another one.I touched ur soul.Enough.It's smells bad.And yes all we are mortal and our bodies smells and decay....monk or not,but after we passed from this world, if we have print in someone memory of given warmth, when he feels cold or love when he feels lonely..that is enough.To help.I feel that helps even little bit to Painful one.Something that I have not see u to do here from one year.Even made worst thing like a mod-you break your own rule of privacy telling who is Shady....just have not words.Feel absolutely sick from this.....just because you are here from 2002.Absurd!How this site allow such things?That was a red lamp for me about you....yes..may be i am nervous,anxious and so on....come here in that place and pass through the things i passed...then we can talk again.Fuckin' ignore.....better to have 4-5 true human beings to talk with him.Another one out.Thanks God forever.!!!Thanks for BL for ignore button..hhhjahaha...i can't ignore u...same to me
 
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I got attached to this kid who had cancer. He unfortunately passed away and his mom was suicidal so I was helping her cope through that. I helped get her on her feet again and she had a great career opportunity in LA so I’m glad that she took it. Oh, her husband got out of prison. She had told him about me and he found me.

I guess he was wrongfully accused of murder. And I do believe him. I think anyone would believe a man who’s 6 feet 6 weighing 275 just a fucking tank. For a beast.. I like how honest and humble he is. He’s a good guy! Reminds me of myself except I can honestly say he’s much softer. He looks scary.. and it’s weird to say this but I’m more threatening than he is. Just goes to show don’t ever judge a book by its cover.

Anyways I bring this up because I get toxic empathy! I feel that to the core! Sometimes you can’t control it when people gravitate towards you. And I’m an introvert so it can be overwhelming at times. Any of you guys or gals know what it’s like to go stand behind someone in line and then a few minutes later you notice 15 people behind you. Happens all the time for me!

And then while you’re waiting in line someone might be drawn to you and now all of the sudden you’re talking to them and they are going through a lot and need your help. It’s always okay to help someone in need but just be sure you know that what you are doing is okay and is the smart thing to do because some people will take advantage. They know you’re willing to help and they’ll drag you through.hell and back just because you are a good person.

I’ve had to learn over the years to just say no to some people and told my mind that it is fine and that the person will find somebody else to help and looking back I definitely made the right decision! We do live in a world where evil people exist.. so just guard yourself and learn boundaries!
 
So in some ways, empathy is really a reflection of your own pity for yourself.
Yeah I read this somewhere and also that everthing we do is for our own best interest... hoping this is bunk science cause my life is not about me.
A very intrtropspective person I have thought on this much and it seems just another perspective which I respect (as most).
If I hurt for a poisoned, farmland, tribe, river is this because I am self serving?
Just curious.
Seems there is a strong connection between the narcissistic and the empathetic.
 
You are here from long time,a mod... And you really made something really disgusting.....Talk avout Shady... And one of his picture-you (and that's was the moment,that i feel what a person is u)...told his name,where he live and so on.

You seemed to have misunderstood that joke 🤔 I don't know Shady's name, my description of him as "a man named Ziga from Slovenia" was only a form of existential humor. I don't know his name or where he is from. I always figured he was Hungarian but that is just a guess. Any time you see me participate in the Lounge you can be sure that what I'm saying is joke, like when I said Acklac is fighting in Ukraine. But my humor is very dry so it can be confusing, especially when translated.
 
I hope @Nas47 told you to stick this up your ass
he did in no uncertain terms and i edited the most damning out to try to keep him from infractions.
hope there are no ill feelings, there....
will be back as there is something here that hits a nerve for many and this indicates (to me) that there may be gold to find.
 
You seemed to have misunderstood that joke 🤔 I don't know Shady's name, my description of him as "a man named Ziga from Slovenia" was only a form of existential humor. I don't know his name or where he is from. I always figured he was Hungarian but that is just a guess. Any time you see me participate in the Lounge you can be sure that what I'm saying is joke, like when I said Acklac is fighting in Ukraine. But my humor is very dry so it can be confusing, especially when translated.

Could be that this type of joke is unnecessary and best avoided since it can easily be interpreted the way Nas47 did.

Especially for a mod it could be inappropriate. I don't think putting the blame on the recipient is the solution to this situation.
 
Hey i gotta do some stuff for others that cannot for a while so will be off for a while... but thinking on this while being selfish.
One thing I think I undestand is that we need to separate ourselves by whatever means from everything to "recharge" but cannot find or make the time to do so most of the time.
Always love
 
This is absolute SHIT!
Shame on you man.
What in the actual fuck?
I left this thread with a beautiful feeling to come back to this.
You have no idea how much I have suffered and struggled with this.
I hope @Nas47 told you to stick this up your ass.
If not, I am!

You are moderator of OD?
fuck me.
With just plain mean spirit you did this.
You will help no one,

Hey, all I did was offer a very honest (I suppose uncomfortably honest) perspective on the subject.

Keep in mind what the subject of this thread is, about "Toxic Empathy", which is defined as when, "when a person over-identifies with someone else's feelings and directly takes them on as their own". In essence this is no longer empathy for the person suffering the original issue but really a reflection of ones own suffering.

I did not give a warm fuzzy spin on it, and while it might not lead you to walk away with a "beautiful feeling" this type of difficult self-reflection can promote growth and help one understand the nature of their behaviors.
 
Could be that this type of joke is unnecessary and best avoided since it can easily be interpreted the way Nas47 did.

Especially for a mod it could be inappropriate. I don't think putting the blame on the recipient is the solution to this situation.

Well the Lounge is a generally free for all and has always been, I think, "banning dry jokes because people might not understand them" wouldn't make a lot of sense. From what I recall a bunch of people understood and appreciated the joke, even non-native speakers. I didn't just say: "Shady is named Ziga and is from Slovenia"...it was part of an elaborate phrase with an existential spin on it.
 
Well it looks like I touched a nerve on this one (but everything I said was true).

Also @Painful One I'm sorry if what I said upset you, but yes I am a moderator of OD and BDD and have been for many years, and in the course of that I have come to the aid of thousands of people facing very difficult and desperate situations, so its not quite fair to discount all of that simply because my dissection of this subject may have been difficult to read.

Not going to derail this further, Negrogesic out of this thread ---->
 
You seemed to have misunderstood that joke 🤔 I don't know Shady's name, my description of him as "a man named Ziga from Slovenia" was only a form of existential humor. I don't know his name or where he is from. I always figured he was Hungarian but that is just a guess. Any time you see me participate in the Lounge you can be sure that what I'm saying is joke, like when I said Acklac is fighting in Ukraine. But my humor is very dry so it can be confusing, especially when translated.
Probably....my english is bad.Not sure to understand everything......forget about it.May be talk so much,may be they spray us with something.....something happens here....people are sick.Guess just feel the war.I am sorry.Will try to keep silence and talk less
 
Probably....my english is bad.Not sure to understand everything......forget about it.May be talk so much,may be they spray us with something.....something happens here....people are sick.Guess just feel the war.I am sorry.Will try to keep silence and talk less

Don't worry about it brother, when I think back on it, it probably was a bad joke because the level of detail could make it seem like what I was saying was real. You might not be the only one who didn't think I was joking.
 
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