Emergency Antidote, Direct to Addicts

I think it's a good idea. Then again, I think any measure taken to help saves lives is a good idea.
 
I'm for it. I keep some around the house and I'm not even a heavy opiate user. Of course I also have a couple epi-pens(sp???). Its just something about my boy scout training as a child.
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Injectable epinephrine is prolly a better idea than naloxone. Also, I think this is a good idea that can easily save lives. Its like having a fire extinguisher. Does that cause more fires? I really doubt it will increase heroin/opiate use in any way as I dont think too many people hooked on dope will ENJOY being shot up with naloxone. Yeah, sure, you're not dead. But suddenly the mu receptors are completely empty and what the fuck do you do? You run and grab your rig, being a little more careful this time so you dont have to repeat the process.
 
Ok, so their goal is to get people off of drugs, eh? Well, naloxone would help that. You see, if someone dies, then they have no chance to change their life and start living better because that's a common side-effect of death. If someone gets to continue living thanks to naloxone, then they still have a chance because they're still alive. That just makes sense to me, I don't know how anyone familiar with the rules of logic could be against this policy.

Heroin addicts aren't going to grab their bottle of naloxone and then run out and shoot up 100x the amount the usually use, they are going to use it when they want to stay alive. Jeez...
 
"Harm reduction is the answer, the question is how not to die"

I wish I knew where that quote was from but it seems appropriate
 
i personally knew several souls who would be here today if one of the people they were w/ had a narcan on hand or even had access to one. Sad state of affairs when there has to be a debate about an unabusable substance that has been proven to be affective in situations where a person would otherwise be dead if it were not for the naloxone. You would think that the opposition would be for it simply because one of these "despicable" heroin users would be thrown into acute w/d's if the narcan was needed.
 
I think it is ridiculous to think that this could cause more harm than good. What are the downsides? That people MIGHT use more H, or that law enforcement and/or the Health Care system MIGHT have less chances to "help" addicts??? I don't get why a rational human could oppose this.

Ahh gotta love the Protestant ideology that forms the basis of this country's "morals".
 
Nobody is going to do more H. I doubt most junkies would give two shits about the bottle of naloxone lying around. They would just label it or something to make sure they dont shoot it up by accident.. =p

Lets say I like 2C-E (and I do) but its an RC, a very powerful one. When I dose 2c-e, I make sure to have benzodiazepines, thorazine, and whatever downers I can get my hands on around just in case I want to cancel out the trip. Does the presence of the "emergency brake" make me take higher doses of 2c-e or take it more often? NO.
 
A lot of people don't call 911 if you OD. A lot of people will run your pockets, and ditch you. I used to hear stories all the time from people that used to goto shooting galleries in NYC, and they all saw a lot of people die because Naloxone wasn't available. I hope some day that every junkie in the US has a supply of it, as it would save many more lives than it would potentially take. Stupid fucking FDA.
 
People don't call 911 because they're scared of LE and incarceration. If there was a law in place that would say that you can't get in trouble for OD'ing, I think more would call 911. I think some states, or cities, actually have such a law in place.
 
My friend OD'd at my apartment in Toronto Canada.. I called 911 and started with cpr .. once the paramedics arrived.. The cops arrived as well.. they never came inside my place though.. I really wasnt aware that you could get in trouble for anything.. If youve already done the drugs..
 
Crazeee said:
What if you OD and Don't wake up at all ? :|
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Then you're dead. And died from being an addict. That doesn't get much sympathy with me. No matter what drug you used. Myself included, I'm not claiming a higher
moral authority.

I was talking about the aftermath of a typical situation where a bus picks you up,
narcan administered, and what then? Do you kick or go back using? Common sense doesn't apply to addiction. There is definitely a lack of rehab services for those people in that position, specifically in my area.
Ultimately, there should be both, great rehab services and free narcan, but realistically there won't be both.
 
Does anyone know if Canada has this program????? were so focused on safe injections sites but we could use this too.

Vancouver needs naloxone distirbution badly, i dont think they have it. what the fuck get with the program canada
 
its sad to me this is even an issue. people are debating whether they should give out antidotes or let people die, just cuz they use a drug and may have misjudged dose/potency. Its completely inhumane, and the fact that we're discussing this is definitely not a good thing. It should be like "yeah? good news. progress. next"

And how bout distributing some more benzos to me for all that MDMA =p
 
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Well my friend went to a conference in Chicago a few years ago and came home with a few vials. I have one in my basement. Problem is that if you use alone (like me usually) it isn't much good.

I have since shown my wife where it is after she found me passed out and blue in the basement about a year ago. She revived me by punching me and pouring cold water on me. it worked but I wouldn't recommend it.
 
edarrin said:
Well my friend went to a conference in Chicago a few years ago and came home with a few vials. I have one in my basement. Problem is that if you use alone (like me usually) it isn't much good.
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Nothing much is good if you use alone IMO... if it was something serious enough, it would be hard to even pick up the phone and dial 9-1-1. One of my own worries now that my roommate has moved out (although I don't slam H)...
 
i'm doing training and distro of this stuff in SF at needle exchanges and a HIV clinic.

super rad.

come on by and pick some up! training is fun and you can save a life.
 
You know, junkies should just have suboxone around. My understanding is that if they shot that, the naloxone wouldnt work as an antagonist (lol, good deterrent) but the buprenorphine would... even more so than naloxone.

and then, wouldnt the buprenorphine occupy opioid receptors, it being an opioid itself, so it wouldnt be as horrid of a precipitated withdrawal if its a high enough dose..

so basically, using the highest affinity opioid antagonist i know of, which is also a partial agonist, maybe im wrong cuz this is all just guess work... but i think it would work, AT LEAST to reverse the primary agonist the subject OD's on.
 
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