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Elon Musk officially buys Twitter, DONE DEAL !

11~ billion in taxes for 2021?

it's just that the US doesn't do shit for the people with taxes
Umm, supposedly he pays 3.27% tax then brags he pays more than anyone? The average working class American pays nearly 12% of their income in taxes. He also didn't pay his full share either, billionaires cheat and use loopholes to pay even less than their legal requirements. Why do you think Trump adamantly refuses to share his tax returns?

And Tesla as a company pays virtually 0% in taxes, which is basically reducing Musks tax rate indirectly. The bakery down the street doesn't get such luxury.

11 billion sounds like a lot, but proportionally is significantly less than what comes out of my paycheck.

Billionaires gaslight the world with fake journalism and bad math.
 
Sorry about the SS accusation if you're not actually a supporter.
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Umm, supposedly he pays 3.27% tax then brags he pays more than anyone? The average working class American pays nearly 12% of their income in taxes. He also didn't pay his full share either, billionaires cheat and use loopholes toboay even less. Why do you thin Trump adamantly refuses to share his tax returns?

And Tesla as a company pays virtually 0% in taxes. The bakery down the street doesn't get such luxury.

11 billion sounds like a lot, but proportionally is significantly less than what comes out of my paycheck.
Is it? Isn't most of his networth his companies in the first place?
Also I just read that companies don't have to pay taxes in the US?! Is that true?!
What in the fucking fuck

Honestly I have too little of an idea how American taxes function, and why your country is so dumb having people pay taxes on their own, 4 times a year, sounds like a silly system to me, and too much paperwork. I pay taxes every month, they just come out of my paycheck, and by doing my tax declaration at the end of the year i get money back.
 
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Is it? Isn't most of his networth his companies in the first place?
Also I just read that companies don't have to pay taxes in the US?! Is that true?!
What in the fucking fuck

Honestly I have too little of an idea how American taxes function, and why your country is so dumb having people pay taxes on their own, 4 times a year, sounds like a silly system to me, and too much paperwork. I pay taxes every month, they just come out of my paycheck, and by doing my tax declaration at the end of the year i get money back.
Yes, large corporations here pay virtually zero in taxes.. even the largest companies in the world. Amazon, Tesla... basically all of them pay virtually no taxes at all.

It's one of the biggest problems in this country. It's virtually a corporatocracy..
And the news here talks about Russian oligarchs... when in reality we have just as much if not more oligarchs than they do.

The corporations write the laws here, which is why the top 3 richest people in the US own more wealth than the bottom 60%. 3 people have more money than 180 million Americans. That's almost difficult to comprehend, but true.
 
Yes, large corporations here pay virtually zero in taxes.. even the largest companies in the world. Amazon, Tesla... basically all of them pay virtually no taxes at all.

It's one of the biggest problems in this country. It's virtually a corporatocracy..
And the news here talks about Russian oligarchs... when in reality we have just as much if not more oligarchs than they do.

The corporations write the laws here, which is why the top 3 richest people in the US own more wealth than the bottom 60%. 3 people have more money than 180 million Americans. That's almost difficult to comprehend, but true.
o wow. crazy. no wonder our companies expand so much into the US

they pay 15% taxes here lol
 
Billionaires gaslight the world with fake journalism and bad math

The corporations write the laws here, which is why the top 3 richest people in the US own more wealth than the bottom 60%. 3 people have more money than 180 million Americans.

QFT. Pretty much true everywhere these days. Sadly it's what people want. People love living in dire poverty, squalor and indentured servitude. Not when asked directly, of course, but by implication. And preferably other people and not themselves.
 
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Is it? Isn't most of his networth his companies in the first place?
Also I just read that companies don't have to pay taxes in the US?! Is that true?!
What in the fucking fuck

Honestly I have too little of an idea how American taxes function, and why your country is so dumb having people pay taxes on their own, 4 times a year, sounds like a silly system to me, and too much paperwork. I pay taxes every month, they just come out of my paycheck, and by doing my tax declaration at the end of the year i get money back.
I think a lot of people think that he should pay taxes on his net worth, which is a lot of unrealized gains from Tesla and SpaceX shares. He paid the most yearly taxes of anyone in the history of the U.S. on profits that he realized from selling some of his Tesla shares. Taxing people for unrealized gains is a terrible idea but people still support it
 
I think a lot of people think that he should pay taxes on his net worth, which is a lot of unrealized gains from Tesla and SpaceX shares. He paid the most yearly taxes of anyone in the history of the U.S. on profits that he realized from selling some of his Tesla shares. Taxing people for unrealized gains is a terrible idea but people still support it
Taxing people and not having socialized healthcare is a bad idea, and the US is the only modern capitalist government which doesn't do it.


And trust me, it's not because we are a better or more free country.

If an addict has to choose $20 to buy some heroin or $5000 to go to rehab, what do you think they're going to do?

Then they end up in prison which takes money out of your paycheck... only to institutionalize them and create even more criminals.

For profit healthcare and for profit prisons are a double whammy of a broken system.
 
Billionaires gaslight the world with fake journalism and bad math.
yeesh I would be terrible at maths in the States too :P
I think a lot of people think that he should pay taxes on his net worth, which is a lot of unrealized gains from Tesla and SpaceX shares. He paid the most yearly taxes of anyone in the history of the U.S. on profits that he realized from selling some of his Tesla shares. Taxing people for unrealized gains is a terrible idea but people still support it
yeah I wasn't aware. That is fucking insane. Mind-boggling to think about it, really
No fucking wonder companies all over the world take advantage of the US, Jesus fuck
 
Umm, supposedly he pays 3.27% tax then brags he pays more than anyone? The average working class American pays nearly 12% of their income in taxes. He also didn't pay his full share either, billionaires cheat and use loopholes to pay even less than their legal requirements.

Musk's income puts him in the top federal income-tax bracket, where income is currently taxed at 37 percent.

According to ProPublica, Musk's average effective federal income tax rate between 2013 and 2018 was 27 percent.

And the tax on exercising his Tesla stock options was much higher. "Since the options are taxed as an employee benefit or compensation, they will be taxed at top ordinary-income levels, or 37% plus the 3.8% net investment tax," notes CNBC. "He will also have to pay the 13.3% top tax rate in California since the options were granted and mostly earned while he was a California tax resident. Combined, the state and federal tax rate will be 54.1%."

Jayapal seems to have reached her "alternative facts" (to use a vintage Trump-administration term) by calculating Musk's tax rate based on a system she wishes we used rather than the calculation system we actually use.

As it stands, Americans do not pay taxes on unrealized gains—that is, appreciations in investments that exist only on paper. If you own a stock worth $5 per share and its worth increases to $6 per share over the course of a tax year, you have an unrealized gain of $1 per share. You aren't expected to pay taxes on that gain until you sell your shares—which makes sense, since 1) you don't actually have that money yet and 2) the stock's worth could drop again before you sell. Maybe next year the stock decreases to $4 per share.

 
yeah I wasn't aware. That is fucking insane. Mind-boggling to think about it, really
No fucking wonder companies all over the world take advantage of the US, Jesus fuck
Companies like Apple that have manufacturing in China keep a lot of money overseas too so they can avoid paying U.S. taxes on it. Pretty good if you're a giant corporation, lol
 
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Good job Elon 👏🙏

Apparently someone used a fake verified Eli Lilly account to say that insulin is now free, and their stock like plummeted.

Seems like the 8 dollar verified shit wasn't the smartest move.


I laughed, but it's actually a serious problem. It's a hare-brained scheme, honestly. Such a bad idea.
 
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