Election 2007.

[ValeTudo]

^I added a paragraph. sue me~

^^ Just googled them, i misst say that was an education. it's interesting to see that US-style big 'L' libertarianism has arrived in Australia. Just out of interest, are they a WA phenomenon? I disagree with most of their economic policies but their approach to individual freedoms and liberty to be some what heartening. Although I shudder to think of the effects of some of their international monetary policies- just look where allowing the complete freedom of capital flow got places like se Asia and Argentina (ie. think complete economic meltdown). i don't think it is ever in the national interest to allow the very small, elite minority who control the financial industry unfettered access to manipulating the Australian economy like that. We would truly be at the mercy of unelected and unrepresentative bankers, who would have the power to derain the country of money and cripple the economy overnight (as what happened to Argentina).

Good call. i'd say their policies require some thought, but they are a very very new party and are clearly still in planning and development, i'd say they're very aware that being taken seriously is some way off. but the concepts they propose are fascinating if nothing else and i would definitely be willing to experiment with the type of society they envision. i couldnt give a fuck, i have other passports, if it goes to shit i can bail.

 

[ilikeacid]

but as its solely a financial or symbolic matter, fuck em.

So you think because a couple is man and man, or woman and woman want to be together they don't deserve the legal right to be together, but straight couples do... wow sounds like discrimination at it's highest level to me VT, 8)

Move out of the 50s VT! Really mate, imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and the government didn't allow you to legally be with the one you loved while people just because they have different orientations were allowed to.. ffs

 

[ValeTudo]

Of course they're allowed to be together

 

[m4dd0g]

By now it should be blindingly obvious that the last thing I give a flying assfuck about is being "burned" by internet folk. They are entitled to express their opinion, i am entitled to rebute it with facts. as stated, the purpose of marriage is procreation. if gays evolve to procreate, i will support their endeavours 100%. did you read my post? it answered your question in the opening line. was there any point to your response? clearly not

I love the gays, they have made fabulous contributions to the society (especially fashion and the arts), they create a surplus of wives for me and my straight brethren, and offer many other benefits to Australian society. However, the nature of democracy is such that the lifestyle and culture of the majority takes priority, and allowing gays to marry each other is not compatible with that idealogy. It offers no benefit to society, and we have no obligation to destroy the very foundations of our culture for gays to save a few dollars at tax time

If i was a gay, i would be like, fuck it at least we are allowed to shag and kiss and do stuff without getting harassed, that is democracy and equality, violating a solemn institution created for the purpose of solidifying solid family relationships does not fall under that banner

Cos the humans are dying out and need more procreation?

lolz @ rationalised homophobia
At least make an attempt to find a valid justification for your inherited beliefs

The role of marriage is one of cultural significance not logical. You'll find that history has proven that healthy and dominate cultures are the ones that evolved and embraced change not ones that staunchly cling to their historical prejudices

 

[ValeTudo]

lol, referring to my views as homophobic is empty rhetoric, ridiculous at best. i couldnt give a fuck if gays marry each other. i am simply state that it serve no legitimate purpose, and is a right they do not have by will of the Australian public's established culture. if that position changes over time, so be it in the name of democracy, but in the mean time, if you find it to be a problem, perhaps you'd feel more welcome somewhere else (California, Netherlands?)

 

[silvia saint]

i couldnt give a fuck if gays marry each other. i am simply state that it serve no legitimate purpose

as opposed to straight marriage? in regard to your past points raised, last time i checked people were having babies long before marriage certificates were invented

 

[ValeTudo]

Yes, it was also socially acceptable rape women without consequence, destroy unwanted children, to murder each other over minor disputes. Just as civil courts were designed to settle disputes, the nuclear family unit, and by extension marriage was designed to facilitate the safe, consistent upbringing of children. I am shocked and appalled that this has to even be explained

 

[ilikeacid]

There is a reason that the family unit is based upon heterosexual marriage; for the creation of children

Reminds me of those old Jerry Springer episodes where the rednecks always used to chant, "ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE" lol

Maybe you should look more closely at what your saying/said. It really does look like homophobia dressed up in "logical deduction".

You still haven't really answered the main question behind your views clearly:

Why sould gays and lesbians be denied the legal right to get married and enjoy all the other privilliges straight couples have? Why?

 

[Chronik Fatigue]

i have other passports, if it goes to shit i can bail.

:D :D

 

[MazDan]

I agree Maz, you love nature and drugs right?

What's your beef?

Also in reply to ilikeacid.........yeah I did read your reply mate.


OK.........Its simple really......... I took the time to consider my answer and Im going to answer 100% honestly ok...........

The short answer.
Its because i am selfish. (same as the short answer once before was.......Im racist........I expect to cop some flack.)


The medium answer.
I have a deep love of our country and getting out and seeing it and experiencing its beauty and also the fun and games that it can offer. I have a great love of four wheel driving and I am currently lucky enough to be able to do both...............but the greens want to stop me.

I view the greens as one of those violently out there groups who go way way overboard with everything they do.

Its not good enough to save the daintree from logging...........they have to save it from four wheel drives, motorbikes, push bikes, walkers..........fuck me, Im waiting to hear they want the kangafuckingroos banned.

They go overboard.

Parties like that require something totally stupidly the opposite to maintain the equilibrium............and that is also stupid.

If they could just show some sensibility in what they want...........then they might attract some voters.

 

[Samadhi]

In relation to your comment about 4x4ing - i'm not sure if you go to Fraser Island regularly, but Mr S and I have... i've been going since i was about 5. Ive seen, first hand, how tourism and 4 x 4 cowboys who don't respect the island have fucked it up - i'm assuming something similar is happening in the Daintree and other places? There needs to be a balance maintained.

This is the only time i'll enter into discussion in this thread. I never discuss politics outside of my family circle and close friends. Weird, but it's how i was raised.

 

[MazDan]

Oh, I should exlain that I dont even know where the daintree is........... Im guessing somewhere in Dain?

The point is that they go to extremes.........they remind me of the unions............valuable and indeed important but why do they have to go to such extremes and screw it up for people like me...........normal Aussies.

 

[ilikeacid]

I view the greens as one of those violently out there groups who go way way overboard with everything they do.

Yeah like supporting gay marrige, supporting the idea of an Australian Bill of rights, promoting harm minimisation, opposing industries which will eventually destroy our country.. Fuck your right you couldn't get a party which is more violently out there than that 8) ... what stoopid policies they have 8)


Edit: To answer you Mazdan, it's really simple TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE.

 

[MazDan]

Yeah like supporting gay marrige, supporting the idea of an Australian Bill of rights, promoting harm minimisation, opposing industries which will eventually destroy our country.. Fuck your right you couldn't get a party which is more violently out there than that 8) ... what stoopid policies they have 8)


Edit: To answer you Mazdan, it's really simple TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE.

Wow, relax dude............I was totally honest..........see my simple answer........lol

And my call re really out there was in relation to my thoughts up there under the medium answer...............other than how they affect me as a four wheeler I have no idea and frankly no interest in what other policies they may or may not have............ They lost me at the first hurdle which was four wheeling..............they could be offering a guaranteed 10 grand a year for all who vote for them for all I care...........I will never know cos they lost me way before that.

 

[Samadhi]

In the immortal words of Saddam Hussein in Southpark: "Relax Guy"

I have to quote this:

Oh, I should exlain that I dont even know where the daintree is........... Im guessing somewhere in Dain?

hehe, i love you Maz :D

The Daintree Rainforest is in Far North QLD, it's one of the oldest rainforests in the world, and needs to be protected.

 

[ayjay]

^ the greens also have the most sensible drugs policy. Here's an overview ("drug policies - you be the judge" - 3rd article)of some of the parties' policies on drugs.. minus the lunatic fringe (family first, dlp etc)

 

[vanth]

MazDan, don't you think its a little silly to base your decision on who you want to run the entire country and the lives of the people in it on their stance on four wheel driving?

 

[MazDan]

MazDan, don't you think its a little silly to base your decision on who you want to run the entire country and the lives of the people in it on their stance on four wheel driving?

When you put it like that............it sure is.

Im not going to make a rats ass of difference who I vote for in my local electorate cos it is and always will be a red ribbon labour area.

However in the senate I will vote for groups such as the fishermens party, the shooters party and the recreational party, hell even the marijuana party............ and ensure I put the Greens last as they pose the greatest threat to what i enjoy doing with my life.

While I am well aware that my vote probably wont make any difference in the scheme of things...........if it helps in any way to send a message to the Greens then i will be happy.

They are the sworn enemy.

For every silly person like me that bases there vote on a silly thing like that...........there is another silly person out there voting for exactly the opposite.............Im simply keeping the balance.

For every person out there who goes into every intricate detail regards every single policy and then uses that info to select there party...........there will be another person doing exactly the same but because of cultural differences or whatever they arrive at the opposite answer.


In the end............how do any of you really choose who you are going to vote for????

For some its like following Ford or Holden at Bathurst...........they will never change who they vote for and will argue as intellectually as they possibly can in order to make you think they know what they are talking about and that there party is the ants pants................but its all bullcrap...........No party can be perfect.

For others its like following the Storm during Grand Final week............... they probably couldnt even tell you anything other than the most basic policy of there party but because they are convinced they will win well thats who they will vote for.

Then of course there are those who will vote a certain way because someone they know, maybe a friend or family member, has convinced them that x party is best because of a b and c reasons...........forgetting to tell them about e f and g............but the person will vote that way cos there friend probably knows what he or she is talking about.

Really............its all just so silly that deciding how to vote based on how a party will affect me and four wheel driving is no different to any other method now is it???

 

[lostpunk5545]

Well I'll be voting Green because they have the most rational policies.

I'm actually pretty much all for keeping four wheel drives out of National Parks etc. There's plenty of State Rec. areas around to go tearing up the road in.

I love going Bush and it is impossible to drive anywhere 4WD's have been in the rain.

 

[MazDan]

Well I'll be voting Green because they have the most rational policies.

I'm actually pretty much all for keeping four wheel drives out of National Parks etc. There's plenty of State Rec. areas around to go tearing up the road in.

I love going Bush and it is impossible to drive anywhere 4WD's have been in the rain.

Actually the four wheel drive would do less damage than your car in boggy areas because it would generally have a much lighter per square inch foot print.

By State rec areas, Im guessing you mean State Forests which are one our last areas we can visit and get off the main tourist drags..............well thats why I hate the Greens so much.....because they are trying to stop that as well............they want to reclaim the State forests and turn them back to virgin bush and ban everyone from using the areas.