Carlos The Elf said:Ego loss has been sticking with me for awhile. I find when I trip after experiencing egoloss, it's like I have to try and control it, and I have to hold on and make sure I get through it, and I end up getting nothing out of it. I feel like the only way to make sure I just get through it is to just wait it out. I've really tried just letting go, and embracing what I feel like when I did it a long time ago. But it scares the shit out of me, and I keep thinking "god, i'm back here again, this fear. just wait 4 more hours, and it's gone." even calm music doesn't help, it's the worst thing in the world.
endlesseulogy said:There is no such thing as ego death because in not wanting to desire you are still desiring. Ego is just a term, a label, with no tangible meaning. Your ego is always dead, or alive, its just a term.. the only thing that is, is what is. The things you feel when you experience this so called state are always there with you, you just don't see them.. Id rather refer to this as illumination rather then ego death as it is very easy to get lost in terms and language.
endlesseulogy said:Its simple Zen philosophy, in achieving ego death you are wanting to end desire. Even in wanting a specific state of consciousness, you are still using you're ego. So ego is used to bring about ego death.
Ego doesn't have to have negative connotations. So again, the very process of wanting something, is you're ego, therefore you are "desiring not to desire".You're ego is always there, its you.
Becoming one with the universe is simply a process of alignment whereby you're ego stops thinking about itself and re-aligns itself with other elements of reality. But at the end of the day, its still YOU that wants to feel this way. So in the end, I believe there is nothing that "dies".
The truth of unity consciousness is always there, its just we cant see it. Timothy Leary had his head up his ass when he started bringing in the concept of "ego death" in relation to psychedelics because this creates a duality in a state that should be free of duality. Everything is, just is. It transcends concepts of language. In applying the concept of ego death, it creates a hierarchy involving the haves of the experience and the have nots...
When you see that experience goes beyond the ups and downs of personal fulfillment and loss, you truly know in the deepest sense why one should love thy neighbor so to speak.
I speak with admitted bias based on my spiritual beliefs and experiences, but I believe that egoless existence is the "truth" and the "source" of everything. This doesn't necessarily mean that it would be best for everyone on earth to be completely stripped of an ego, at least not right now. I just think that getting a glimpse into this state can definitely give one a deeper understanding of what is really "there" and what is simply an illusion created by the mind. For many others and I, this can help one grow as a person.
In a way this is how I interpret the "End Times" stories from the bible and other holy books. When Jesus comes back (when our egos our stripped), those who are righteous and love God (those who are selfless and live for the Whole) will be taken to heaven (will accept the egoless state and experience bliss). Those who live against God, will be cast down to hell. (those who live an egoistic, selfish life will suffer as their precious ego is torn from them).
Ego death is not annhilation.
It is emancipation.
You do not cease to exist.
The boundaries that define you cease to exist.
Having no boundaries, 'you' become nothing.
Yet 'nothing' is still apart of 'everything', and thus 'everything' remains.
The experience: There is no You.
The revelation: There is only you.
We are the Universe.
When you see that experience goes beyond the ups and downs of personal fulfillment and loss, you truly know in the deepest sense why one should love thy neighbor so to speak.
I speak with admitted bias based on my spiritual beliefs and experiences, but I believe that egoless existence is the "truth" and the "source" of everything. This doesn't necessarily mean that it would be best for everyone on earth to be completely stripped of an ego, at least not right now. I just think that getting a glimpse into this state can definitely give one a deeper understanding of what is really "there" and what is simply an illusion created by the mind. For many others and I, this can help one grow as a person.
In a way this is how I interpret the "End Times" stories from the bible and other holy books. When Jesus comes back (when our egos our stripped), those who are righteous and love God (those who are selfless and live for the Whole) will be taken to heaven (will accept the egoless state and experience bliss). Those who live against God, will be cast down to hell. (those who live an egoistic, selfish life will suffer as their precious ego is torn from them).
I agree with pretty much all of that, (and I'm an atheist). The only thing I'd modify is that heaven is simply an ideal of us all living by love (egoless living). The "End Times" is not "coming for us to strip our egos and send us to heaven." Rather, we will create heaven on earth ourselves when we've evolved past a point where a critical mass of us (and therefore pretty much everybody after that point), will be living by love and we can finally and truly set all the old rules aside since they will no longer be needed.
Yes that's also what I actually believeMy post was just trying to stick to bible themes
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Why would a human being want to lose their sense of I/me ?
It feels like you're dying. It's traumatic. Fuck ego death. Embrace who you are. I guess for some people it takes temporarily losing yourself to know yourself. That could be why it's good.
You just kind of have to experience it.
Its only traumatic if you try and fight it, accept it and come to terms with it. Surrender to the void.
I came to terms with my own mortality a long time ago, we all have to die at some point, and i am ok with that.
The only time i thought i had died i was surprisingly ok with it. Live your life to the fullest, and enjoy the time that you have because you never know when it might come to an end. Could be today, or it could be in 70 years, but the fact remains that the end has to come.
So many spend so much of their lives living in fear of death that they never really live. And then there are those of us who don't necessarily chase it, but we don't hide from it either. Its a great feeling to come back to reality after an ego death experience, that realization of "im not dead" and the desire to live your life in the best way possible.
The who coming to terms with my own mortality is one of the only things that remains out of my several years of depression. When you focus so much of your time contemplating these things you just kind of get used to the idea. Instead of killing myself, i found peace and understanding through psychedelics.
My experience with thinking i had died did teach me one thing, and that is that when my time does come for me to actually die i can go through it without fear.
Ego death is not annhilation.
It is emancipation.
You do not cease to exist.
The boundaries that define you cease to exist.
Having no boundaries, 'you' become nothing.
Yet 'nothing' is still apart of 'everything', and thus 'everything' remains.
The experience: There is no You.
The revelation: There is only you.
We are the Universe.