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Esoteric [Ego-Death Subthread] Permanent / Irrecoverable Ego Loss

read "Nausea" by Sarte. the main character experiences a sort of ego loss for very long periods of time
 
HipHopJunkie said:
this is a very interesting thread, although it seems to be over may head?

any suggested reading on the ego or ego loss or death?
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Stillness Speaks by Eckhart Tolle. Chapter 3 - the Egoic Self
 
I have had my ego dissolved and spewed across the galaxy far more times than i care to recall, but never have i been so distorted that i completely lost my ego for good.

I don't think someone would be able to function properly in everyday life if that were to happen, if it were even possible, but who's to say it isn't?
 
i thank it all comes back adventualy. i thought my trip would never end or id never come back to reality. buttttt i did. i wouldnt do that again i jus cant handle it.
 
I've enjoyed reading all of your insights on ego. From what I've gathered in my studies (as unextensive as they are), complete loss of ego is nirvana, according to the buddhists. I appreciate the philosophies, but I personally dont take part in the mainstream religions because they, mostly, don't answer the questions I seek. THe questions are far too personal and individual to be answered by someone else...

Has anyone read The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Tests by Tom Wolfe. It goes a bit into depth on the hippies (Ken Kesey, Neil Cassidy, among others) trying to wrap their heads around this concept by means of LSD (and other drugs). It's an interesting book to read somewhat on topic to this thread and Tom Wolfe is a decent journalist...

Anyways, keep the post coming..
 
shypht said:
Ego loss/death has made me appreciate my ego more, and not make me think of it as a 'pesky thing that I need to destroy for ever!'

Yes, having your sense of self and identiy blasted into the cosmos and being connected with the cosmic-whole, the bliss of just 'existance' without the wraps of "I" and your own ego and bullshit wrapped up into it is amazing.

But if anything, Psychedelics have shown me the beauty of life, even while in sober states. It makes me want to go out and make the most out of it, to enjoy it to the fullest, to reach my own personal potential, and you need your ego about you to function in the world to do that.
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i'd like to quote for truth :)
 
Permanent ego loss, eh? I've never experienced ego loss, so I don't have much input here, but one thing I would like to add is that psychedelics make me way more appreciative of my sober, or at least semi-sober (stoned) states. I like the experience, usually, but usually just after the 1/2 way mark I'm always CRAVING sobriety. That's why I love Ketamine; it only lasts an hour and I've never had a bad trip on the...Like...I dunno, 300 trips I've taken on it. Whereas with Mushrooms I'd say 1/4 of my trips have been bad and 1/4 have been great and the other 1/2 have just been OK, with me craving the come-down and sobriety after just a little while.

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When I say I haven't experienced ego loss, I've never experienced what you guys describe. I've always been able to associate myself with planet Earth, even on 250mg of Ketamine and 1 hit of some powerful LSD (I'd say about 200ug a hit, but I can't be certain) I was still me and able to think of my name, my family and my personal existence. I suppose ego-loss occurs at very special times, or only to some people, but personally I don't think my mind would allow myself to lose that much touch with reality. At that point I think I'd be unconscious, or at least have no conscious thought.
 
i agree vortex30 most psychedelics last to long. thats y my drug of choice would be ketamine. it only lasts a lil wile then you can gather your self then do it again if you want
 
i have a very good friend that is 'interesting'
i would say his lsd usage completely defines his personality
 
I don't know if I understand this. The loss of the ego woule be bad becasuse it in the moderator between the ID and the Superego. So I guess one person would be driving by one or other ID _ Kill murder, steal just to what you want, it would have been the supergos's job to add rationality to the situation. But without the ego that can't happen. So the ID runs wild taking its every desire without second thought. I one was more ontrol by the super ego, we would se prefection and nothing less, and likely a formation of a cult built on these believes.
 
^^ If you follow Freud's theories, then I guess that's true. But we're using "ego" to mean your sense of self, rather than in a strictly Freudian sense.
 
I think that when you trip you can see yourself for who you really are and what your experiencing right now is the death of a lie ,your front to the world.
You just gota learn to be happy being yourself.
Because ultimately thats what a good trip will reveal to you.
Even though right now you belive you had a bad experience oneday you may see it as a right of passage.
One which people have imbarked on since the dawn of humanity through the use of psychedelics.
 
Ego death feels like you're dying without physically dying. Absolutely frightening. I've never lost my ego completely though, and this was by concentration alone (no drugs involved). Resisting it makes it worse. Half way through I panicked, thought I was losing my mind and just reiterated who I was and recent memories over and over to get a grip. In the midst of it, I remember thinking ANY physical torture could not compare, and my heart wouldn't stop pounding, I was sweating, shaking like a leaf. Weird as shit, especially since nothing was actually going on, it was all in my mind...
 
Just sayin' but Ram Dass in one of his lectures said that he and his tripping intellectual buddies tried absolutely everything they could to stay "there," and by this I mean ego-death-kind-of-state. As mentioned in the first answer to OP, I think it's impossible.
 
Ram Dass said something about the insane person and the mystic being located within the same water, but the mystic can swim.
Ego loss may affect different people differently.
Some may drown, others may float, and some may do the butterfly.

It is possible to undergo permanent psychological damage through the use of LSD.
I read about a guy who took a whole sheet to avoid getting caught with it.
During the ensuing trip, the barrier between his conscious and subconscious broke down, and it never recovered (at least, before the time I read the story).
 
Medatripper Tates said:
i agree that it will not work for everyone, because some hold on to their old ways.
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A lot of people can't integrate "transcendental" experiences in a productive/meaningful way because they don't have the tools/capacity to do so. It's not that they're stuck on to their old ways but rather they have yet to learn the new ways=D
Ignorance is to blame here...
 
OrphicTrench said:
Just sayin' but Ram Dass in one of his lectures said that he and his tripping intellectual buddies tried absolutely everything they could to stay "there," and by this I mean ego-death-kind-of-state. As mentioned in the first answer to OP, I think it's impossible.
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Well they did that stupid experiment where they all took massive doses of LSD every day for a fortnight and then claimed "it didn't work". But obviously any fucking idiot could have told them taking LSD every day isn't going to work.

I think the main reason it's impossible is that it's nothing to do with ego-death in the first place. It's far more accurate to call it being high on psychedelic drugs. Obviously you can't stay high on psychedelics 24 hours a day for the rest of your life.

And about Ram Dass - he also used to make the claim that some alleged mystic bloke in India took 1000mics of acid for the first time in his life and then just sat there as if nothing had happened to him. Someone who was there at the time said the mystic just palmed the LSD and never took it in order to convince Ram Dass he should follow him and give him all his money. Apparantly the mystic then put the LSD into the ashes of his fire and invited up another 3 followers to "eat his ashes" - because when you eat the ashes of a holy man you're supposed to blessed by the gods - obviously he made sure they each ate a tab of the acid. Presumably that resulted in 3 more wallets to fuck with.
 
Jefftildeath said:
Oddly enough, I wasn't catatonic when I experienced ego loss. I was actually frantically running around my landlord's back yard. When I came to, I was back in my apartment with ripped pajama pants and soaking wet socks. Despite the fact that my body was far from still and quite functional, trust me, it was ego loss. There was NOTHING.

So I'm not saying that being catatonic and experiencing ego loss are mutually exclusive, it's obviously possible to experience ego loss (inside) and still have your physical body in full motion. Shit, you can cut a chicken's head off and it still runs around.
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Onto this, on my ego loss I dunno what I was doing, but when I came back I was sprinting up and down a hallway
 
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