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Esoteric [Ego-Death Subthread] How to achieve it

Nibiru said:
I did have this phenomenon happen from a megadose of mushrooms once, but for the most part I think it would be an impractical thing to try to induce on a long-lived psychedelic like LSD or psilocybin. It was frightening as hell, I might add, and caused me to go on a psychedelic hiatus for a good while after it happened.
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I'm at this point with psychedelics temporarily.

My last trip which just so happened to be the most intense ego death i've ever endured has me on a temporary hiatus from psychedelics (which i know wont last longer then a month lol :)). I watched my entire 'awareness' of my physical body and mind become de-programmed, i could slowly feel my body loosing 'feeling'.. that awareness of blood running through your veins.. which eventually moved up towards my head.. it was so intense i was able to see frames of 'memory' shred away from my ego, as different sections of my brain were deprogrammed piece by piece until i eventually reached the source 'my ego'. It was interesting to have separate sections of your brain re-programmed from 'the beginning' and been able to focus on the information been processed.. i saw some truth that was beyond what i thought it to be.

I got a lot of answers about myself and human existence that night.. enough that i don't really have any more questions at the moment.

It use to just be a mental deconstruction.. but never had i witnessed my entire awareness of my physical body fade away to nothing. It wasn't bad, it was incredibly insightful.. but the environment in which i experienced it in could of been better.

=D
 
medical_meccanica said:
The more I read about this phenomenon, the more I am captivated by the idea.

I'm unsure of whether people can experience this on other psychedelics, but I'm under the impression it is only LSD, and this is certainly what I would be using.

What kinds of Set/Setting has helped people achieve this in the past? Is it something you can only experience while not trying to? Looking for both stories and advice.

Thanks guys. :)
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Hmm, I tend to disagree that LSD is the only means to achieve 'ego-dissolution' as I prefer to call it from my lofty position on high ;)

For me, I've experienced it several times- from 200mgs of ketamine, 150mgs of DPT, unknown quanitites of DMT, and, of course, salvia divinorum....Most psychedelics cause a degree of ego retraction- that is, if the ego even exists...
 
I've had varying degrees of ego-death on several substances. They all felt different, depending on the substance used to achieve the ED.

DMT tears your ego away most efficiently and consistently, all you need to do is blast a high enough dose.

The one achieved by mushrooms & rue was the most gentle and pleasant experience of all the ego deaths I've been through. I felt like I naturally harmonized with the mushroom entities which were very friendly to me and showed me my ego as it is, and very gently showed me that I don't need it at the moment and I can throw it away... then my eyes opened, so to speak.

The ego death on LSD is more like it shatters you and reassembles you piece by piece. Kinda like rebirth, and birth is always painful... but also beautiful.
 
In my experience 5-MeO-DMT works very, very well for this. I'm a big proponent of snorting 5-MeO-DMT, although it's so intense that I only do it every few months.

I saw existence spiral into one final climax, which was a great white light that seemed to hold everything that ever existed. I still find it hard to comprehend, but I'm so glad I experienced it. It really was pure beauty, pure love. It felt like a very intuitive truth, like it was something you've always known, but somehow doubted along the way.
 
only psych that I've done that causes ego death is Salvia. I'm instantly transported to a universe of total energy. Still, I am an observer (in energy form) in this place, so I cannot say with certainty that 'ego death' is possible.
 
^the ego is what seperates you from awareness (observer). but yeah, no matter how much of a drug i take (or what kind, shrooms, dmt, lsd, salvia) there is still an observer there, even if it is not "me" in the egoic sense.

i think meditation is the only thing that can truly "kill" your ego (more like when meditation becomes your normal reality), psychs can make it go away for a bit, but it always comes back.
 
The only times I have had experiences that qualify as 'ego death' have resulted from high dose ketamine, DXM, salvia extract, and during the peak of an intense trip on LSD. Every time has been pretty frightening but at the same time very very enlightening, with the exception of ketamine. Slipping into the K-hole came very pleasantly. It felt like at the time my ego was welcoming it instead of fighting it at first, then letting the drug do its thing, which is the natural reaction with me.

I kind of think of smoking salvia to lack the insight learned from a slower dissolution of the ego, it happens so fast and disorientingly that I have never really gained much from it.
 
Ego death is a funny word that we in the psychedelic community like to thow about indicating loss of "me or I" and becoming one with the universe and life and simply EVERYTHING <3 A good high dose of DMT does it for me every time. Its kind of a scarry feeling the first time it smacks "you" across the face. I wrote a trip report about my first ego death experience... didnt even know what to call it I just knew it must be told.

As far as set and setting... quiet, no distractions, safe location (if its gona happen its gona happen... may not have the time to prepare for the "ego loss") And actually achieving it via use of psychedelics would require a proper dose of whatever chemical you choose.

Hope you get to experience this one day M M <3
 
Nibiru said:
I did have this phenomenon happen from a megadose of mushrooms once, but for the most part I think it would be an impractical thing to try to induce on a long-lived psychedelic like LSD or psilocybin. It was frightening as hell, I might add, and caused me to go on a psychedelic hiatus for a good while after it happened.
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I see what you mean, Nibiru, for me the length of an LSD trip always seems perfect for the experience. Maybe I'll be eating my words if my wish comes true, but I like the idea of having this extreme ego-death while peaking and then having quite a few hours to slowly contemplate it all, rather than the sudden rush and release of DMT, which for me seemed much more sensory, even without TV and music to interrupt. (Maybe I needed a higher dose.) For the record, I always find your posts exceptionally insightful, so thanks for that!

Part of the confusion for me arises with the fact that I feel like it'd be impossible to have an LSD trip that didn't make me feel connected with the world and everybody. I know that ego-death is just a term, and that it's ridiculous to think it would happen the same way for any two people, but it's hard to work out from posts whether or not it's something I'd definitely recognize as ego-death if and when it ever happened.

I've had intense confusion with mushrooms and three friends, where we basically could not communicate at all for a long time during the trip, I'm wondering now whether that would have led to something much more amazing had we not tried so hard to enjoy it together.
 
fastandbulbous said:
You never had a psychedelic experience become so intense that the internal observer vanishes and there is no distinction between self & non-self? That's ego death
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every time I do Salvia, everything turns into energy. Although I am also just an observant piece of energy, I'm still observing. I'm not a person, or myself, but I'm still observing- otherwise, how would I be able to write up a trip report?
 
I would love to try salvia so much! It's been on my list for a long time but feels impossible to find in Australia. It seems like this out of body/observation sensation is a common experience of the salvia trip.
 
Salvia is pretty cool. A big barrel of WTF. Where DMT kind of gives you a hug, salvia throws you on the ground and laughs at you. Some people really don't like it for that reason.
 
Well that's what I was expecting with DMT, to be totally blown away, but I was left a bit underwhelmed. Like I said, maybe I needed a higher dose, there were no 'other beings' either.

I guess I was a bit naive to expect stories of ego-death, I'm getting the impression it'd be hard if not impossible to talk about/put into words. I guess when I'm ready to try it I'll take a high dose of LSD on my own, and just chill with as little sensory stimuli as possible.
 
I've never gotten entities from DMT ever, and I've gone pretty far in. I'll have a sort of reference to reality for so far, then a reference to my mind's own manifested sensations and stuff, and then I'll get into a sort of timeless hole, where there isn't really anything that's easily remembered. I black out basically, and the stuff I find the most interesting is the mathematical hallucinations going in, and coming out.

Actually, mathematical hallucinations are the single thing that keeps me interested in psychedelics. A lot of the deeper spiritual aims and ego dissolution and all of that to me are kind of redundant, because when my ego is fully and completely dissolved, I can't pay attention to the pretty crap my brain is doing for long enough to code it to my memory and make a painting of it or something. I dunno. I'm kind of a cynic in that regard. I like psychedelics 'cause they look pretty, and help me to develop my aesthetic, which is a good part of my ego with all sorts of groovy spiritual implications, but a part of it nonetheless.

Edit: kind of tuning in to a bigger, less finite ego, I guess. The universe-math ego.
 
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