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Effects of LSA vs. LSD

TruffulaTree

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Hey all,

I've tripped LSA quite a lot. I've never had a very strong trip (I've definitely gotten quite altered but I've never tripped hard enough off of LSA to make it comparable to my experiences with, say, psilocybin mushrooms), but it's an interesting psychedelic because it's not very visual and I find that I can therefore function quite normally to the outside world while having a somewhat intense psychedelic experience.

Just out of curiosity...I've never tried LSD and I don't think I have any intention to do so any time in the near future (I know it's irrational but I have an inherent mistrust of chems, I tend to stick to plant-based psychoactives only), but I'm just wondering if users who have experience with both substances could tell me the main differences in the effects that they experience?

Thanks :)
 
LSD is less vasoconstritive, no or less nausea, has pronounced intricate visuals, is more stimulating, has a much larger mind space (as in becoming one with the universe, etc.)... pretty much everything you like about LSA is probably made way better with LSD. LSD is one of the safest drugs one can ingest, not to mention a lot less likely to get you sent to the emergency room than LSA is.
 
LSA feels toxic, weird, and generally harder on your body. After taking LSA one time when I was young, I felt really weird the whole week after with stomach issues, swollen gums, and general discomfort around my whole body.

LSD on the other hand feels so natural. I have never had a drug that felt more pure and clean to my body than LSD. It had no side effects for me.
 
I can pretty much just echo what was said here.... LSA it like a weaker version of LSD with more side effects. LSD feels totally benign on the body for me even in huge doses, as opposed to LSA which can be bothersome even in low doses. Also, about LSA being more controllable because it has weaker visuals, I honestly don't really find LSD hard to work with either, even when I'm in a totally visionary state I can still interact with reality pretty damn well. LSA is a good drug, but LSD is about a million times better. I highly recommend it, chem-phobia or not.
 
Lots of people would be wrong.... As long as it's given the proper care that hallucinogens deserve (having a sober sitter(s), etc.), LSD is by far one of the safest drugs there is.
 
No, it isn't one of the safest drugs there is. It has been psychologically harmful to a large number of people.
 
Every single drug with a strong enough effect has the potential to be and has been considered psychologically harmful by someone before. LSD is a drug that had gained extremely widespread use over decades, and ridiculous amounts of research have been done on it, so obviously we're going to be aware of both the positives and the negatives. But those negatives apply to everything.... Benzos, opiates, stimulants, even dissociatives - all of these things I've heard of people having waaaay more issues with than LSD. Not just psychological damage, but addiction, withdrawal, health problems, overdoses.... Those kinds of things can destroy someone's life, and LSD has none of them. Even in the psychedelic world, every single psychedelic has just as much potential to cause psychological damage as LSD, with the only real difference being that some of them (particularly, every one of them that's sold as LSD but isn't) *does* have the potential for health problems and overdoses. Even the ones that don't have that, like psilocin, at the very least would be no more benign than LSD.... Honestly the only potent drug I would say is even safer is weed, and even that has been psychologically harmful to a number of people. But that doesn't mean it's not still one of the safest drugs there is.
 
There's no use arguing man, this will just go on forever^

I'd also point out that I personally believe weed to be more harmful than LSD, in my experience and what I've seen it do to people. It's a gradual degradation.
 
You think the amount of resarch was ridiculous? That is truly sad. LSD has not been thoroughly researched. You obviously have not spent any time forming your own ideas; for your own sake, I hope you haven't. Are you pulling my leg?

It creates prolonged psychological problems and because the research was poorly done and not thorough I cannot spout off statistics to compare it with other drugs. Lack of knowledge does not make it safe and your beliefs based on your own personal experience and laughable critique of the research done on LSD do not mean it is safe. LSD has the potential to destroy a person.
 
Which he agreed with. So let's say no psychedelic (or drug) is safe. But as far as psychedelics go, LSD is safer than most because of the lack of physical concerns. Again, no psychedelic is 100% safe, some people react very badly mentally to psychedelics. And a lot of people don't. I agree LSD hasn't been studied nearly as well as it should, but it's been studied as much as any psychedelic and more than most.
 
Calling the drug safe is just obnoxious. It is illegal which does not really help us understand how safe it is. People are getting told that it is safer than Aspirin. Prescription use allowed Aspirin users to be studied and provided evidence Aspirin was not 100% safe. Before that you would assume aspirin was totally safe. LSD is not safer than Aspirin. It is less understood because the use is illegal.
 
There's no use arguing man, this will just go on forever^

I'd also point out that I personally believe weed to be more harmful than LSD, in my experience and what I've seen it do to people. It's a gradual degradation.

Don't worry, I'm not carrying this on much longer if it's going to continue like this, and I already gave me real response to this thread and my reasons for it so I'm really not too concerned with where this goes anyway....

I think the weed vs LSD thing is debatable. I've never seen someone so deep into weed that they couldn't come out of it if they truly wanted to. The same I would say is true of LSD, but I would have to imagine that an LSD-induced psychosis probably takes a little more working with than a weed-induced psychosis. The only thing I would say that LSD has over weed is the lack of ability to use it every day, so weed is just easier to work into a habit... but I don't think that's really a bad thing either as long as you use it properly.

I will admit that I see people blow a lot more of their hard-earned money on weed than I do on LSD.

You think the amount of resarch was ridiculous? That is truly sad. LSD has not been thoroughly researched. You obviously have not spent any time forming your own ideas; for your own sake, I hope you haven't. Are you pulling my leg?

It creates prolonged psychological problems and because the research was poorly done and not thorough I cannot spout off statistics to compare it with other drugs. Lack of knowledge does not make it safe and your beliefs based on your own personal experience and laughable critique of the research done on LSD do not mean it is safe. LSD has the potential to destroy a person.

If you don't think LSD has been thoroughly researched compared to almost every other recreational drug there is, you clearly haven't done enough psychedelic research of your own. That's all I have to say to that.

As Xorkoth said down there, I have already said that LSD has negatives. No drug doesn't. But that's doesn't mean *anything* as far as it compares to other drugs. If you think a bad trip will destroy someone's life more thoroughly and more readily than a drug addiction, I have to imagine you've never met an addict before.... Plus, any psychological issue can be worked on. People come back from much worse than bad trips. The difference with LSD compared to lots of other drugs is there there will be no physical problems to work on at the same time.

All I've seen you do so far is criticize my points but not really respond to them, and not make many solid ones of your own, so until then I'm following 240sxLover's advice and I'm done with this conversation. Give me some recreational drugs that you think are safer than LSD and the reasons why, and then we'll talk.

Which she agreed with. So let's say no psychedelic (or drug) is safe. But as far as psychedelics go, LSD is safer than most because of the lack of physical concerns. Again, no psychedelic is 100% safe, some people react very badly mentally to psychedelics. And a lot of people don't. I agree LSD hasn't been studied nearly as well as it should, but it's been studied as much as any psychedelic and more than most.

Fixed. :)

This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. LSD like any other drug has the potential to cause dangers, but so does walking out the front door in the morning, and what we do know about LSD's safety compared to other drugs is quite a lot....

Calling the drug safe is just obnoxious. It is illegal which does not really help us understand how safe it is. People are getting told that it is safer than Aspirin. Prescription use allowed Aspirin users to be studied and provided evidence Aspirin was not 100% safe. Before that you would assume aspirin was totally safe. LSD is not safer than Aspirin. It is less understood because the use is illegal.

No one here is talking about Aspirin. Bringing that in to a discussion about recreational drugs is just grasping at straws....
 
^Dude, I saw someone walk out their front door once, and they died! Now I only use my back door!

I'll reiterate what Godess Mode said to a degree, LSD certainly is less dangerous to your well being than LSA containing seeds are, and that's the point we're trying to make OP. The concept of "I only do natural things" is silly to me; Are humans not natural? Are the compounds they create not formed from other natural compounds? In reality, everything is natural. Everything is a branch off of another natural thing. Matter cannot be created, nor destroyed.
 
So me talking about the Aspirin, a claim you will find conducting a google search about LSD safety, is grasping at straws but your comparisons about safely walking through a doorway make sense?
 
^Dude, I saw someone walk out their front door once, and they died! Now I only use my back door!

Lol.
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I'll reiterate what Godess Mode said to a degree, LSD certainly is less dangerous to your well being than LSA containing seeds are, and that's the point we're trying to make OP. The concept of "I only do natural things" is silly to me; Are humans not natural? Are the compounds they create not formed from other natural compounds? In reality, everything is natural. Everything is a branch off of another natural thing. Matter cannot be created, nor destroyed.

^^ I would agree with this too. You're actually the second person I've heard phrase it just like that in like a week....

So me talking about the Aspirin, a claim you will find conducting a google search about LSD safety, is grasping at straws but your comparisons about safely walking through a doorway make sense?

Yes, that's correct.
 
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Again, no psychedelic is 100% safe, some people react very badly mentally to psychedelics.

I'd modify that slightly tho Xorkoth to be LSD is 100% safe for about 95% of the human population. For about 4.9% I'd say it might cause a unpleasant few hours mentally but will still be 100% safe physically. For 0.1% they might run down the street waving their testicles at a police car which will probably end up in them being physically harmed by the cops.
 
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