nopipesdfw
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No offense, but a lot of you sound like rather paranoid people who smoked one hell of an anxiogenic catalyst and haved honed your skills of noticing and attributing random problems since.
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No offense, but a lot of you sound like rather paranoid people who smoked one hell of an anxiogenic catalyst and haved honed your skills of noticing and attributing random problems since.
Huh? K2 is a blend of plants impregnated with synthetic chemicals. Are you saying that it contains kappa-opioid agonists? That would surely be news to me!
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I never dedicated a lot of research to it but I believe I read that is where it's primary effects come from. I could be wrong but am prety sure I am right. Will see if I can find some info before hitting the post button......
....ok, confused it with Salvia divinorum.
http://www.opioids.com/kappa/salvinorin-a.html
It is very clear that I used to have a low heart rate now I always have a high one. It used to be 70-80ish and now it often is in the 90s-120s, which is not good. But it prob is a lot of paranoia but its obvious the chemical causes a problem in a lot of people. Not in everyone but quite a few. I mean accutane causes problems in a good ammount of people, but not everyone that took it. I took it for years and I was fine.
forums1969
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I agree with CGrizzy 100% that it can cause a lot of problems in people because it effected me that way. My heart rate is slightly higher then was it used to be, but what gets me is the head pains and anxiety. I try and not think about it and I can get through my whole day OK, but I never had any problems from weed, pills and alcohol. This stuff on the hand fucked me up and was very detrimental to my health.
You are being an idiot. It is an untested, unproven drug. Everyone is saying to smoke weed, not smoke this shit. You think the government would say to smoke weed?
But I am saying it. Not smart to mess with this shit. Especially now that it is illegal. Smoke weed and enjoy.
forums1969
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Also when you have doctors telling that it is safer to smoke weed this substance which I was told when I went in. Makes you wonder why this stuff was legal and still is in some states and weed which is all natural is illegal.
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I quit pot back in August and smoked JWH-018 blends since then. I did notice anxiety (probably too high of a dose, a blunt lol) and other odd things but since the DEA ban it's been like 2 weeks and I noticed nothing, if any withdrawal symptoms.
I don't smoke tobacco (except gutted cigarillos to use as blunt paper) and since the 018 ban I haven't bothered to venture into other JWH compounds (and likely won't).
2 weeks later I feel fine. I still enjoy SMOKING, so I smoke plain, unadulterated damiana leaf. I don't think I'll ever quit SMOKING something, but something as plain, useless and harmless as damiana can continue. And yes, I know the inherent dangers with smoking any leafy vegetable matter. I'm not saying damiana is SAFE, I'm just saying it's got to be a helluva lot safer than Big Tobacco's tobacco.
Also, FWIW, I never had 'Spice hangovers' or whatever everyone wants to call them. Never got "too high", never had any psychedelic effects. Granted, I wasn't smoking powder off tin-foil but I know the blend I was using contained JWH-018.
When I first read this post I thought it was some sort of adverse reaction, paranoia, or unrelated event that just happened to present with such synchronicity. Unfortunately, I now sit here with severe problems that I believe may have been due to my ingestion of JWH-018. Everyone here refers to smoking K2 or spice, but in my experience I smoked roughly 15g of pure JWH-018 over the course of, well, I smoked too much too quickly.
I had smoked the drugs without problems for quite a long time, with the only adverse reaction happening not to me, but to my roommate. He had become tachycardic and "paranoid" after JWH-018 and I took him to the ER. His heart rate subsided after an hour and he was released with the diagnosis of a panic attack. Assuming this was just a panic attack, I kept smoking.
Weeks later I began to feel a slight, wavelike pain in my left flank. This progressed to a severe and constant pain in my left flank over the course of another couple days. At this point the pain had begun to radiate down to my testicles, my right flank began to hurt, and I had begun experiencing paroxysmal anxiety and constant sweaty palms/feet. At this point I went to the urologist as I thought I might have a kidney stone. I didn't. CT came up completely clean as did my urinalysis. By this point I had my blood pressure measured at 180/120 in the supine position but it was attributed to anxiety. I was put on beta blockers and given lorazepam to help with the blood pressure and anxiety problems.
Once I took the beta blockers and lorazepam my problems began to subside. Over the course of the next few days my kidney pains went away but my sweaty palms persisted, and now I was only able to sleep for 30 minutes at a time without waking up with night sweats. My next symptom to develop was intolerance to cold and waking up freezing cold at night, which progressed to just being cold all of the time.
At this point I went to see my GP (I have had these symptoms for about 2 weeks at this point). Upon taking my supine blood pressure it was measured at 180/110. With this second reading we were fairly certain this was not entirely anxiety related, as I have never had anxiety attacks in the past. My tremors at this point became unbearable and my GP suspected I had a Pheochromocytoma (catecholamine secreting tumor of the adrenal gland). I was forced off the beta blockers to take a 24 hour urine test, and let me tell you, being off the beta blockers was unbearable.
Unfortunately my blood VMA came back low which means the chances of me having a pheochromocytoma are extremely low, in fact low VMA is more indicative of mercury poisoning (which is a differential diagnosis for a pheo). So now we are considering the possibility that the JWH was contaminated with some sort of heavy metal (perhaps as a catalyst or in equipment) or some type of toxin that can cause autonomic and peripheral neuropathy.
This could be entirely coincidental, but I have been healthy my entire life with none of the problems listed above until smoking the JWH for a few months. Heavy metals do take time to build up in your system, and after taking a mild chelating agent (ALA) I am experiencing the pain in my kidneys again. I will keep people posted on whether we find an actual problem or rule everything out and simply presume it is a somatoform disorder (which I am hesitant to believe, as I doubt my brain can wake me up consistently at night while at the same time causing dis-regulation of my temperature and hyperhidrosis)
If anyone else has experienced similar symptoms after smoking JWH please let me know. To sum it up my main symptoms have been: Flank pain progressing to waves of anxiety and paranoia progressing to constant sweaty palms and tremors. Now I am beginning to get neurological symptoms such as random nerve pain and myalgias, in addition to the illusion of seeing stationary objects as moving when i turn my head (frontal lobe problem?). The constellation of symptoms is fits extremely well with mercury poisoning (which happens to prevent the metabolism of catecholamines, leading to excess adrenaline/noradrenaline in the blood).
Any similar persisting experiences would be great, especially if anyone has experienced chronic high blood pressure and sweating since smoking JWH.
Thanks!
Also, as a former pharmacy student I can tell you right now that JWH-018 is extremely unlikely to cause the symptoms all of you are describing such as tachycardia, cluster headaches, etc (unless it is an acute anxiety attack). It seems more likely there was a contaminant (or adulterant) in the JWH that either caused neurological damage (unlikely in my case as I had been smoking for a month with no adverse effects) or perhaps an imbalance in neurotransmitters in the brain. For all we know the doctors may be right and it could be all in our heads, as pain from a somatoform disorder is just as real to those who experience the pain. It is merely a misinterpretation or "hallucination" of pain.
Sorry for the essay!
I had smoked the drugs without problems for quite a long time, with the only adverse reaction happening not to me, but to my roommate. He had become tachycardic and "paranoid" after JWH-018 and I took him to the ER. His heart rate subsided after an hour and he was released with the diagnosis of a panic attack. Assuming this was just a panic attack, I kept smoking.
Weeks later I began to feel a slight, wavelike pain in my left flank. This progressed to a severe and constant pain in my left flank over the course of another couple days. At this point the pain had begun to radiate down to my testicles, my right flank began to hurt, and I had begun experiencing paroxysmal anxiety and constant sweaty palms/feet. At this point I went to the urologist as I thought I might have a kidney stone. I didn't. CT came up completely clean as did my urinalysis. By this point I had my blood pressure measured at 180/120 in the supine position but it was attributed to anxiety. I was put on beta blockers and given lorazepam to help with the blood pressure and anxiety problems.
Once I took the beta blockers and lorazepam my problems began to subside. Over the course of the next few days my kidney pains went away but my sweaty palms persisted, and now I was only able to sleep for 30 minutes at a time without waking up with night sweats. My next symptom to develop was intolerance to cold and waking up freezing cold at night, which progressed to just being cold all of the time.
At this point I went to see my GP (I have had these symptoms for about 2 weeks at this point). Upon taking my supine blood pressure it was measured at 180/110. With this second reading we were fairly certain this was not entirely anxiety related, as I have never had anxiety attacks in the past. My tremors at this point became unbearable and my GP suspected I had a Pheochromocytoma (catecholamine secreting tumor of the adrenal gland). I was forced off the beta blockers to take a 24 hour urine test, and let me tell you, being off the beta blockers was unbearable.
Unfortunately my blood VMA came back low which means the chances of me having a pheochromocytoma are extremely low, in fact low VMA is more indicative of mercury poisoning (which is a differential diagnosis for a pheo). So now we are considering the possibility that the JWH was contaminated with some sort of heavy metal (perhaps as a catalyst or in equipment) or some type of toxin that can cause autonomic and peripheral neuropathy.
This could be entirely coincidental, but I have been healthy my entire life with none of the problems listed above until smoking the JWH for a few months. Heavy metals do take time to build up in your system, and after taking a mild chelating agent (ALA) I am experiencing the pain in my kidneys again. I will keep people posted on whether we find an actual problem or rule everything out and simply presume it is a somatoform disorder (which I am hesitant to believe, as I doubt my brain can wake me up consistently at night while at the same time causing dis-regulation of my temperature and hyperhidrosis)
If anyone else has experienced similar symptoms after smoking JWH please let me know. To sum it up my main symptoms have been: Flank pain progressing to waves of anxiety and paranoia progressing to constant sweaty palms and tremors. Now I am beginning to get neurological symptoms such as random nerve pain and myalgias, in addition to the illusion of seeing stationary objects as moving when i turn my head (frontal lobe problem?). The constellation of symptoms is fits extremely well with mercury poisoning (which happens to prevent the metabolism of catecholamines, leading to excess adrenaline/noradrenaline in the blood).
Any similar persisting experiences would be great, especially if anyone has experienced chronic high blood pressure and sweating since smoking JWH.
Thanks!
Also, as a former pharmacy student I can tell you right now that JWH-018 is extremely unlikely to cause the symptoms all of you are describing such as tachycardia, cluster headaches, etc (unless it is an acute anxiety attack). It seems more likely there was a contaminant (or adulterant) in the JWH that either caused neurological damage (unlikely in my case as I had been smoking for a month with no adverse effects) or perhaps an imbalance in neurotransmitters in the brain. For all we know the doctors may be right and it could be all in our heads, as pain from a somatoform disorder is just as real to those who experience the pain. It is merely a misinterpretation or "hallucination" of pain.
Sorry for the essay!
Thank you for documenting your experience. The possibility of poisoning by an adulterant such as mercury is intriguing, although I think most people reporting long-term problems here did only used K2/JWH-018/whatever a few times, or even just once. Additionally some reports indicate that other people used the same batches in larger quantities without showing adverse symptoms. It could be that the cause of your symptoms are unrelated to the cause of symptoms seen in people who used infrequently. Or maybe different people show extreme variability to the toxic effects being documented here.
When did you stop smoking JWH-018? It sounds like your symptoms continued to intensify well after you had stopped smoking. Is it possible that JWH-018 withdrawal could be contributing to your symptoms? Supposing mercury specifically was a contaminant in your JWH-018 sample, it should be possible to identify and quantify it with the appropriate lab workup. Unfortunately, I can't really ask you if you still have the JWH-018 in your possession since it's current legal status is unclear. Granted, if mercury poisoning is suspected, it is prudent to have the material tested for mercury. If your JWH-018 contains toxic quantities of mercury, then we need to get the word out ASAP, especially since mercury poisoning is relatively cumulative and can sometimes take a long time to shows itself!
glitchedfirewall
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Hi all.
I've been browsing this thread for the past six or so months searching for answers to my problem. I've put off registering and posting most likely as a gesture of denial that I do have a problem.
Like many of you, I smoked a metric shit ton of jwh infused herbs for about 6 months in the beginning of 2010. (I'd estimate a total of like 6 oz, so probably 6-7 grams of pure JWH-018 and most likely some 073 and others)
I decided to quit the synthetics in July last year because the highs werent lasting, headaches were worsening and basically my life was going down the shithole. Stopped cold turkey. Fuck. First two weeks were a living hell. Waking up every other hour with the bed soaked in sweat, awful nausea in the mornings and anytime I went more than a few hours without food. Pressure in the head 24/7, headaches that start when I woke up and worsened until I went to bed.
August/September. Sweats and nausea are gone. Headaches persisted. Anytime I concentrated on schoolwork or anything challenging, the pain and pressure just built up until I would just have to say fuck it or sleep. I became very depressed and I began using trees again around this time as a dumbass self medication. The mary janes seemed to help with the headaches but only made them worse once the high dissipated.
October. I'm pretty depressed now. Using trees all the time to mask the headaches. I realize I need help so I see a neurologist who prescribes amitriptyline. I started at 25mg and didn't see any results.
November. Stopped using trees as my tolerance was ridiculous and the relief was just not there anymore. Upping amitriptyline to 50mg. After discontinuing trees, the headaches returned. They didn't seem any worse than before, but they weren't really any better.
December. Had several lapses of judgement and went on a few tree binges which at this point was only hurting me more. Upped amitriptyline to 75mg. Headaches still there.
Now its January. I'm currently taking 100mg amitriptyline. The headaches still persist. On a good day its possible to live with them. On a bad day its hell. I've been off the trees for a period of time and I've spent a lot of time looking back at my actions in 2010 and all of the stupid shit I did. I'm going to do anything in my will to remain 100% drug free. I've also looked at my life as well and am hoping to make positive changes that will help the healing process.
The only hope I have is that somehow, by a careful diet, excercise, stress management, and optimism, my headaches will diminish by 10% a month.
I'd say since August, my pain has gone from an average of 7/10 to a 6/10.
As others have reported, I do feel as if my heartrate is slightly higher than before my jwh escapades. I will have to talk to my doc about anxiety meds.
Best of luck to all of those who have been fucked up by this stuff. . . I'll let you guys know how its going in a couple of weeks unless there are any questions.
I've been browsing this thread for the past six or so months searching for answers to my problem. I've put off registering and posting most likely as a gesture of denial that I do have a problem.
Like many of you, I smoked a metric shit ton of jwh infused herbs for about 6 months in the beginning of 2010. (I'd estimate a total of like 6 oz, so probably 6-7 grams of pure JWH-018 and most likely some 073 and others)
I decided to quit the synthetics in July last year because the highs werent lasting, headaches were worsening and basically my life was going down the shithole. Stopped cold turkey. Fuck. First two weeks were a living hell. Waking up every other hour with the bed soaked in sweat, awful nausea in the mornings and anytime I went more than a few hours without food. Pressure in the head 24/7, headaches that start when I woke up and worsened until I went to bed.
August/September. Sweats and nausea are gone. Headaches persisted. Anytime I concentrated on schoolwork or anything challenging, the pain and pressure just built up until I would just have to say fuck it or sleep. I became very depressed and I began using trees again around this time as a dumbass self medication. The mary janes seemed to help with the headaches but only made them worse once the high dissipated.
October. I'm pretty depressed now. Using trees all the time to mask the headaches. I realize I need help so I see a neurologist who prescribes amitriptyline. I started at 25mg and didn't see any results.
November. Stopped using trees as my tolerance was ridiculous and the relief was just not there anymore. Upping amitriptyline to 50mg. After discontinuing trees, the headaches returned. They didn't seem any worse than before, but they weren't really any better.
December. Had several lapses of judgement and went on a few tree binges which at this point was only hurting me more. Upped amitriptyline to 75mg. Headaches still there.
Now its January. I'm currently taking 100mg amitriptyline. The headaches still persist. On a good day its possible to live with them. On a bad day its hell. I've been off the trees for a period of time and I've spent a lot of time looking back at my actions in 2010 and all of the stupid shit I did. I'm going to do anything in my will to remain 100% drug free. I've also looked at my life as well and am hoping to make positive changes that will help the healing process.
The only hope I have is that somehow, by a careful diet, excercise, stress management, and optimism, my headaches will diminish by 10% a month.
I'd say since August, my pain has gone from an average of 7/10 to a 6/10.
As others have reported, I do feel as if my heartrate is slightly higher than before my jwh escapades. I will have to talk to my doc about anxiety meds.
Best of luck to all of those who have been fucked up by this stuff. . . I'll let you guys know how its going in a couple of weeks unless there are any questions.
datSTIMfreak
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taking shrooms after this is a shitty idea. shrooms cure them because they are related to the triptans, a group of drugs used to treat migraines and cluster headaches. Much safer (aka no trippiness) than shrooms, and do the exact same thing in the brain, triggering the serotenergic (sp?) system.
Here is a weird one for you guys. I mentioned before that the doctor I spoke with in the ER put me on Lorazepam and its been helping me with the panic attacks, other side effects, and also some of the headaches from my cloud10 ultra od. But at times the headaches do come back just not as bad without the drug. I went to the doc yesterday because when I take the Lorazepam I seem to get heartburn even more so at the end of the night. So she gave me a script for a drug I use to use when I had stomach acid problems, Omeprazole 40MG. (Its exactly like over the counter prilosec but double the dose.)
I took it yesterday about around 2 and didn't notice it really but the headaches totally stopped yesterday. Its midnight the next day, I took my Omeprazole in the morning as usual and shit I haven't had 1 headache all day.... WTF? I tried to figure out if I did anything that could have caused something different in my system and that's the only thing that I added that was new. Even when I'm in front of my computer screen (which before even on the Lorazepam I would start getting a headache eventually if I was in front of it too long.) I am fine now I stared at my screen last night till 3 in the morning and today all day at work not 1 headache!
I have no idea if its a side effect of the drug thats causing the relief but if it is guys it might be something to try. Go to walmart grab a prilosec 20mg and take 2 to duplicate the dose I took.
I tried researching it but I am no doctor so I have no clue what else it is effecting other then my stomach.
Heres some info I found on it: Omeprazole is a powerful manipulator of gastric acid secretion. The drug exerts its effects by selective inhibition of hydrogen-potassium ATPase in parietal cells.
Reported side effects are predominantly gastrointestinal and include nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, constipation, dry mouth, and headache. Reversible side effects affecting the central nervous system, such as reduced consciousness, confusion, agitation, and hallucinations, have been observed incidentally.
I took it yesterday about around 2 and didn't notice it really but the headaches totally stopped yesterday. Its midnight the next day, I took my Omeprazole in the morning as usual and shit I haven't had 1 headache all day.... WTF? I tried to figure out if I did anything that could have caused something different in my system and that's the only thing that I added that was new. Even when I'm in front of my computer screen (which before even on the Lorazepam I would start getting a headache eventually if I was in front of it too long.) I am fine now I stared at my screen last night till 3 in the morning and today all day at work not 1 headache!
I have no idea if its a side effect of the drug thats causing the relief but if it is guys it might be something to try. Go to walmart grab a prilosec 20mg and take 2 to duplicate the dose I took.
I tried researching it but I am no doctor so I have no clue what else it is effecting other then my stomach.
Heres some info I found on it: Omeprazole is a powerful manipulator of gastric acid secretion. The drug exerts its effects by selective inhibition of hydrogen-potassium ATPase in parietal cells.
Reported side effects are predominantly gastrointestinal and include nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, constipation, dry mouth, and headache. Reversible side effects affecting the central nervous system, such as reduced consciousness, confusion, agitation, and hallucinations, have been observed incidentally.
glitchedfirewall
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So long as you aren't a spokesperson for prilosec, I'll be buying a pack of these tomorrow. . . Will post back with results!
edit: looks as if Prilosec OTC has a slightly different ingredient, omeprazole magnesium. Wonder if this would make a difference. . . Will still try it
edit 2: this may shine some light on the connection, Sorry, its from a competing forum.
edit 3: looks like the omeprazole is potentiating the benzos: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90243
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forums1969
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For the people who were effected badly by this drug have noticed any issues with your vision?
glitchedfirewall
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I've seen several posts where people complain of vision problems.
I think since I've used JWH I might have a slightly harder time focusing on some objects. However, I already had fairly bad eyes (-6.5 rx in both eyes)
For me though, I think the problem is the headaches and the cranial pressure that is causing the eye problems. . .
forums1969
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Im not sure if it caused my vision to change or if its something else, but when I wear my contacts I get really bad headaches.
nopipesdfw
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http://www.allaboutvision.com/contacts/faq/cls-cause-headaches.htm
Here ya go, I bet nobody else in here does anything that ever randomly or consistently in some individuals causes common symptoms of illness, vision changes, or bodily discomfort too!
That's correct, just one pinch of JWH-018 can somehow give some people a big bout of paranoia or supposed cited illness, I have honestly smoked such a large amount of powder and blends consistently since smoking weed is a much bigger pain on my lungs.