Effects list of K2 Summit

[acbelow]

im going through the exact same thing, except everything i do i think will end up killing me. this even includes eating.

 

[the toad]

Dying is part of life... but I see no reason to rush into it... lol :D

 

[Enix150]

I am not a schizophrenic but i was diagnosed with bipolar a year before taking herbal incense
enix150 you stated your friend was not able to remember or talk for 2 years? is that right?
I am experiencing the same thing, and it seems to continue to get worse no matter what i do
Again, its been about 8 months since use and i still struggle daily
Its becoming increacingly more difficult to read and much more so to write
The problem is that i dont retain what i read in memory right after reading it
Could it be that I have fried my neurons? i hope every day that it dosent get any worse
Its even physically difficult to try to speak, its like my jaw is rusty and painful
I would contribute that to why i am not talking, but really its because i have nothing to say anymore
I can struggle to remember major events during the day but everything else is just a blur or nonexistant
I wasnt like this even 2 months ago, atleast not as bad
I have also had reoccuring chest pains as well, if i try to run at all it feels like my heart is going to explode
I think my body is shutting down and that I may die soon or something, scary thought

Well, I don't want to scare you, but my friend had been diagnosed with bipolar two years prior.. Many psychological disorders are related, and schizoaffective disorder is actually a spectrum disorder. His condition worsened until he started taking his Carbidopa/5-HTP, but had to stop taking it this summer. Since this winter he has continued to decline and visibly struggles to focus his communication. He is always asking what we were just talking about, or to repeat parts of conversation from up to a half hour before.. Tightness in the chest and clenching jaw muscles sounds similar to what he experienced too, and I have heard is symptomatic of serotonin imbalances.

I find it incredibly unlikely that you have "fried your neurons" because that isn't really how the cannabinoid system works. You can develop a tolerance, but the levels of activation required for excitatory neurotoxicity are near impossible to reach. It is far more likely that you have set off an underlying condition and should assess the situation accordingly. Have you looked into your family history before? Sometimes disorders skip generations or never manifest, you should find out if anyone else in your extended family ever had any neurological issues. If treatment is not out of the question for you, then I would strongly advise seeking counsel about this. Additionally, because your symptoms are so similar to my friend's I would suggest trying 5-HTP as it is extremely cheap and may alleviate symptoms on its own. If this helps at all, you should obtain Carbidopa too so that you don't replace one sickness with another.

Peace and Love

 

[hueyfree123]

This could be a precursor to schizophrenia or schizoaffective as well as bipolar... BUT if it has been less than 3 months then it could pass... If it has been
more, it could mean a more serious psychiatric problem.. It could also just be plain paranoia.. Whole range of things. You should start taking some vitamins
and see a psychiatrist...

Best of Luck.. Any more questions or info, then hit up the forum...

 

[An Elaborat Dream]

No offense but this is complete and utter bullshit, i know how drugs are and you should 2!!!, If you choose to even do drugs you have to be willing to accept any of the outcomes that can happen, i had a drug overdose, so what im not going to say that the drugs ruined my life it was my own ignorant decision making, we have the power to use drugs or not, and if you do and cant accept the side effects then you have to be able to reasonably concider your drug use...

and unfortunantly for me, i have Hppd side effects from using Lsd, 2ce, dph, Dmt, psilocibon, dxm, etc etc, and i still think its my own fault for using the drugs, its not like i can blame the drugs since i willingly took them

 

[Stan the man]

Mad Hatter kind of ruined weed for me. First time I did it I got a headache, a racing heart, and it sounded like someone was yelling at me. This was pretty much what happened every other time I smoked it too but it was never as bad since I expected it. Last night i smoked like half a bowl of some pretty decent bud and my heart began to race, I got a headache and that voice (only familiar to me when I'm high) began yelling. It felt just like spice except I could function better. Ever since I did mad hatter it seems my hearing is really fucked up and I'm hearing things that aren't there and the volume of things is different. I'm paranoid a lot more now too. JWHs are shit in my opinion. As for your condition, I would go with what others are saying and try low doses of LSD or shrooms. Good luck man.

 

[TMNPothead]

No offense but this is complete and utter bullshit, i know how drugs are and you should 2!!!, If you choose to even do drugs you have to be willing to accept any of the outcomes that can happen, i had a drug overdose, so what im not going to say that the drugs ruined my life it was my own ignorant decision making, we have the power to use drugs or not, and if you do and cant accept the side effects then you have to be able to reasonably concider your drug use...

and unfortunantly for me, i have Hppd side effects from using Lsd, 2ce, dph, Dmt, psilocibon, dxm, etc etc, and i still think its my own fault for using the drugs, its not like i can blame the drugs since i willingly took them

obviously you have never had an addiction before man. in the middle of a haze you are not yourself when you start doing these drugs every day. you don't reasonably consider shit in the middle of a drug binge. Sounds like you have had some problems with your drug use too, I understand where you are trying to come from as well but myself being an addict and having finally admitting it to myself I can say this is the last thing a person is going to do when they have this disease and are still in the middle of using all the time. Even after realizing it I still continued to use synthetics for months because i wouldn't except help. Addicts don't have the power to just stop using their drug of choice, they usually need help to stop.

 

[michael_1992]

yea, i used to smoke this legal synthetic stuff back in November 2011. I do not know what the chemical was. It was likely in the JWH class, probably not jwh-018 as that was banned last year. But it was among the worst drugs ever. I smoked it several times a day. It was fine if you got the dosage precisely right, but everytime i smoked a little too much, my heart would race so fast, id feel horrible. words cannot describe how awful the experiences were. one time i thought for sure i was gonna die of cardiac arrythmia. i was worried that if i had died , nobody would know because i live alone in my dorm. it was sheer TERROR. i had more than one of these bad trips (yes, im using the word trip here, thats how intense it was. it was more intense than shrooms, but not nearly as many visuals) . i would deliberately smoke it in places that had a lot of people in it, just in case i had a medical emergency and needed cpr. its like your heart beats 180 times a minute resting. and then you freak out, and the time distortion and mind fuck prevents you from measuring your heart beat right, so u freak out more , causing your heart to beat faster,etc. its truly horrible.

It introduced me to this incredible feeling of fear of death. ive never feared my mortality this much. and yes, my adhd med (adderall) worsened this. its a stimulant and it can make you freak out if you think too much on things. i still get the fear of death occassionally, but the best thing to do to prevent this is to simply not think about it. if "the fear" gets into your mind, force it out.

additionally, this problem has interfered with my shroom trips as well. i believe my trips would have been better had i not smoked this substance

however, i have found that smoking marijuana actually calms the feelings. i have not had a headache though due to my spice smoking

but never again will i smoke spice. its horrible. could it be migraines?

 

[OTGee]

Are all these insane horror stories about increasingly worse symptomes about JWH alone or AM's as well? The AM side effects seem to subside after a week to a month depending on length of use from reports onine. But reading this thread is scaring me as I used to smoke a 2201/694 home made blend but have been smoking an incredibely cheap, potent blend bought from someone on a different forum containing 2201/2233.

When I first sampled 3 grams from the supplier it was ok but nothing compared to the Haze retail blend I had purchased or my homemade blend. THe price was so low though and as I am currently unemployed the real thing is way too expensive to smoke on a daily basis. I ordered 20 grams of this 2201/2233 blend and the first night I got it, me and my fiancee had a very terrible experiance.

That day I had been smoking very small bongs not very often while I was painting my room mixing it with a little bit of my homemade blend and thought it was a pretty good high. That night I packed a big bong and ripped it, afterwards I was very melted with increased heart rate etc. I decided stupidly to pack my fiancee a huge bong and me another one. We both had them and immediatley I started to get very anxious, just a cannabinoid bad way but my heart was beating very fast. My fiancee started going crazy telling me we had to phone an ambulance for her, i was reasuring her telling her to remember cannabinoids never last that long (we both were semi-experianced before this). I experianced weird jaw and mouth feelings occasionally when I smoked too much with sick coming up from the back of my throat and insane body tremors / shakes + visibily seeing my heart beat from my chest it was that fast. This happens everytime me or my fiancee smoked too much.

After that night we took a break from all drugs for a couple days as we were pretty scared but I went back to smoking the blend after that. I started off very very small and worked my way up, finding a way to smoke it with minimal negative effects, although they were still present. I have been smoking it all day every day since then, I must have smoked around 10 grams so far as the bags of it are still very full.

Should I discontinue my use straight away? Taper off? Is it all safe for me to smoke this shit just until I get a job and can smoke the real thing? I feel like ive lost some apreciation for real cannabis, will this increase if I continue to smoke? Although its more just of a need to smoke more as I can never afford to buy more then a gram as of my finnancial situation. Anyone give me some advice on the situation? Ive started to feel kinda addicted aned have weird hangovers in the morning before I smoke it but these go away as soon as I have my first bong. Im way more spacey and dopey since using any cannabinoids but this is not at a point were it is a major problem, when I was smoking the homemade blend I felt alot better so I think the 2233 is suspect for the negative feelings ive been feeling lately. Its also given me pretty abd shits, but this might just be my lifestyle as im no were near healthy. I want to start exercising and eating better + taking vitamins and some noootropics once I can afford them.

 

[Enix150]

AM's and JWH's are just their designated names, they are (almost) all just aminoalkylindoles with various substitutions so their side effect profiles should be similar across the board (or at least just as varied within the two designations).

One you notice these side effects it's probably a good sign to slow down, but I have found that they will fade away after about a month of total sobriety. Upon resuming research (into 2201 especially), a tolerance develops and dosage is increased. Symptoms will return at higher doses and even with increase in tolerance. I have since found that replacing synthetics with cannabis will alleviate symptoms more quickly than simple cessation. This is possibly due to the antipsychotic nature of CBD? Either way, a single use helps alot to come off the synths and reverses the depression that is want to set in during/after heavy binges.

 

[An Elaborat Dream]

obviously you have never had an addiction before man. in the middle of a haze you are not yourself when you start doing these drugs every day. you don't reasonably consider shit in the middle of a drug binge. Sounds like you have had some problems with your drug use too, I understand where you are trying to come from as well but myself being an addict and having finally admitting it to myself I can say this is the last thing a person is going to do when they have this disease and are still in the middle of using all the time. Even after realizing it I still continued to use synthetics for months because i wouldn't except help. Addicts don't have the power to just stop using their drug of choice, they usually need help to stop.

My problems with drug use? maybe you dont know my use of moderation, even today, i work on a damn farm and i have overpowered my addiction through the use of heavy working days, milk in the morning, milk at night, no time in between, only at night do i even think of smokin the joint , what i am saying is you had the power in the first place to do what you do, and in doing so you have to be willing to except the consequences for doing those, i admit i do feel sympathy for an addict, for it is overwhelming and in fact horrifying at times, but im just saying dont go around paraiding that a specific drug fucked up ur life, because in reality it would be all drugs that would do that!!!, thats what i am saying, nothing more nor less...

 

[Jibult]

My problems with drug use? maybe you dont know my use of moderation, even today, i work on a damn farm and i have overpowered my addiction through the use of heavy working days, milk in the morning, milk at night, no time in between, only at night do i even think of smokin the joint , what i am saying is you had the power in the first place to do what you do, and in doing so you have to be willing to except the consequences for doing those, i admit i do feel sympathy for an addict, for it is overwhelming and in fact horrifying at times, but im just saying dont go around paraiding that a specific drug fucked up ur life, because in reality it would be all drugs that would do that!!!, thats what i am saying, nothing more nor less...

I like the way this guy thinks. Too many drug addicts claim that they can't stop when the truth of the matter is they simply won't stop, for whatever reason. Sure, withdrawals can be painful and exhausting, mentally and physically, but it's mind over matter. I know plenty of addicts that get fed up with the bullshit they've succumb to and choose to put an end to their habits cold turkey. They choose to deal with the hardships in their immediate future because they know that, in the end, they'll be better off for it.

Addicts definitely have the power to stop use on their own, and I consider it a cop-out to claim that just because you're addicted to a drug you have no control over controlling your habits. Sure, getting help to quit an addiction is always beneficial, but it's not necessary in every case.



TMNPothead, it's all about willpower. Just because one person may lack the willpower to stop a harmful habit absolutely does not mean that that's the case across the board for every addict that's ever existed. My Xanax addiction? Quit cold turkey, on my own, after 7 months of 6mg-8mg a day on average. My nicotine addiction? Quit cold turkey after 6 years of going through a pack of Black & Milds every two days on average. My weed addiction? Quit cold turkey (granted, that was only just over a month ago) after over a decade of several sessions a day on average (though there were a few week-to-month-long breaks sprinkled here and there throughout those 12 years). If a person truly has the desire to quit an addiction they'll do it no matter what. If withdrawals are enough to bring one back to their DOC then, and I mean absolutely no offense by this and am just speaking from my own unsuccessful experiences and observations of others, that person simply lacks the willpower, fortitude and/or determination/desire to see their endeavor through.


[EDIT: I'm sorry for derailing the point of this synthetic thread. I saw a post containing subject matter that I have strong feelings about and was having a tough time biting my tongue just to allow the thread to stay on track.]

 

[szuko000]

My problems with drug use? maybe you dont know my use of moderation, even today, i work on a damn farm and i have overpowered my addiction through the use of heavy working days, milk in the morning, milk at night, no time in between, only at night do i even think of smokin the joint , what i am saying is you had the power in the first place to do what you do, and in doing so you have to be willing to except the consequences for doing those, i admit i do feel sympathy for an addict, for it is overwhelming and in fact horrifying at times, but im just saying dont go around paraiding that a specific drug fucked up ur life, because in reality it would be all drugs that would do that!!!, thats what i am saying, nothing more nor less...

Lol start shooting dope daily and come back to me about how drinking milk and working on a farm got you to quit. Also based on your previous posts I think you need to lay off the dxm please. That stuff puts holes in your brain(in theory) and the dph. Just to satisfy my own curiousity how old are you? Just wondering because I played with dxm when I was younger, you should looking into agent lemon extraction, for your livers sake. I think you claimed to have ended up in the hospital, please take care of yourself. I get the feeling your hearts in the right place you just need to gain a better understanding of the drugs your using.

Sorry to go off topic, I just read his posts and his dxm use concerns me. I was going to attack him for his gross misunderstanding of chemistry but then grew deeply concerned for him. His understanding of chemistry still infuriates me so I'll just say it, that post about alcohol and shit you don't know jack about chemistry. Please be careful mixing dxm it does not play well with others. And learn chemistry before you post steaming piles of garbage that originated in your onleys lesioned brain and spewed all over the form as a terrifying chemistry experiment. There i feel better now lol

 

[euphoria445]

is it true that k2 usage for awhile ruine your weed high?i smoked spice for a few weeks and just got highoff real dank to day and barely felt anything just a mild buzz and some mild euphoria(i smoked 2 small hits(with very little amount though)out of a bat-one hitter

 

[szuko000]

I smoked pure jwh daily for about 4 months. Got to crazy high doses and then weed didn't do anything. It barely did anything at all. It took 2 months of no cannabiniods at all for it to go back to normal. The longer the break the better. I did mine with the aid of OC though I don't suggest that as now I shoot dope semi regularly. You need a long break though, its worth it weed has more of a well rounded high and is probably better for you in alot of ways

 

[euphoria445]

I smoked pure jwh daily for about 4 months. Got to crazy high doses and then weed didn't do anything. It barely did anything at all. It took 2 months of no cannabiniods at all for it to go back to normal. The longer the break the better. I did mine with the aid of OC though I don't suggest that as now I shoot dope semi regularly. You need a long break though, its worth it weed has more of a well rounded high and is probably better for you in alot of ways

oh i didn't totally feel nothing i had a favorable buzz(mostly body)and some slight euphoria and music did sound better,but it was like it was a transition from a hard drug(spice)to one with less pronounced effects but felt better overall...like i said i only smoked a small amount to test it out(two small hits with little herb in a one hitter)

 

[euphoria445]

I smoked pure jwh daily for about 4 months. Got to crazy high doses and then weed didn't do anything. It barely did anything at all. It took 2 months of no cannabiniods at all for it to go back to normal. The longer the break the better. I did mine with the aid of OC though I don't suggest that as now I shoot dope semi regularly. You need a long break though, its worth it weed has more of a well rounded high and is probably better for you in alot of ways

also it's been about 2 solid weeks since i smoked any spice....do still need a longer break?

 

[squidhead]

Will You Please LEGALIZE?!?!?

I have never tried or even seen what this K2 (JWH) actually is. It doesn't sound like it's a very pleasant experience. That's why, imho, there is no mind-altering substance better than cannabis.
I've been a regular toker since 1969...barely missing even 1 day without my weed. I've never missed work because of being 'hungover' from too much toking. I'll toke 'til I croak & have dabbled in every other substance (pre-1990) that I could do/find.
Now, if I could just get the federal government to see the light...maybe 1 day before I'm dead, I'll actually get to see LEGAL weed sold in liquor stores to people 21+ yrs of age. Of course, I said the same thing in 1974, when States were going the decriminalization route. I would've bet the ranch that we'd be buying weed in a drug store or liquor store by 1980. OK, how about 1990? No again! How about the year 2000? No again!! How about by 2010? Still NO!!
What really tops it off is the people making these absurd laws have never even tried weed...just going by the outcrys of a select few. Time to REVOLT!! As this shit is totally revolting!!

 

[euphoria445]

I have never tried or even seen what this K2 (JWH-018) actually is. It doesn't sound like it's a very pleasant experience. That's why, imho, there is no mind-altering substance better than cannabis.
I've been a regular toker since 1969...barely missing even 1 day without my weed. I've never missed work because of being 'hungover' from too much toking. I'll toke 'til I croak & have dabbled in every other substance (pre-1990) that I could do/find.
Now, if I could just get the federal government to see the light...maybe 1 day before I'm dead, I'll actually get to see LEGAL weed sold in liquor stores to people 21+ yrs of age. Of course, I said the same thing in 1974, when States were going the decriminalization route. I would've bet the ranch that we'd be buying weed in a drug store or liquor store by 1980. OK, how about 1990? No again! How about the year 2000? No again!! How about by 2010? Still NO!!
What really tops it off is the people making these absurd laws have never even tried weed...just going by the outcrys of a select few. Time to REVOLT!! As this shit is totally revolting!!

it's freaking awful...that's why i'm glad i switched back...even if it just happened yesterday....the spice high is like a delirium(being poisoned)and then depressed and detached for weeks...

 

[szuko000]

Like I said I was smoking pure jwh powder it's completely different from spice. It took me so long because of the amount I was smoking. Breaks are on an individual basis, you might be fine now. There is only one way to know for sure, smoke your regular dose and see if you get where you wanna be. FYI I was smoking 0.5g a day everyday, thankfully you are not on that level. And to squid head though I do think weed should be legal jwh is similar to it, that is why people enjoy smoking it. At one point I liked it more then weed. I use to roll cigs with it perfect public High provided you didnt OD and lose the ability to speak walk or react to stimuli. I was careless with my dosing sometimes

I found jwh to be very euphoric. It had an awesome body high. The draw back is it felt like it impaired my cognitive function for a while after quitting. You two shouldnt bash it calling it poison, it's just another collection of atoms with unique effects neither good or evil. And no need to get all in a hissy hopefully someday it will be legal, that and heroin. Am I right of course I am!

420 shoot smack daily hurp dur dur!