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Vader said:
^T'wasn't me. You can edit or delete the post if you like.
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LOL. No, I shall keep it as a reminder that guiding people to excellent research can be frowned upon. I understand the rules, but my intention was only to highlight the different products obtained via different synthetic pathways and how it could be used to identify which process had been used during synthesis and not to highlight how to make MDMA. I'm fairly sure most people could type "MDMA synthesis' into google by themselves :)
 
see? it all turns to shit when the 24hr chemists arent available to explain the science on BL.

should be a 24/365 service guys, no striking permitted.

leaving folks [erm ... I mean me] to fill in the blanks and have to hypothesize on terminology all by themselves, is a recipe for disaster

I still have a ton of questions but I'm reading through watson's link, and will do my best to whittle the list down to 2 figures for you ;p
 
LOL. No, I shall keep it as a reminder that guiding people to excellent research can be frowned upon. I understand the rules, but my intention was only to highlight the different products obtained via different synthetic pathways and how it could be used to identify which process had been used during synthesis and not to highlight how to make MDMA. I'm fairly sure most people could type "MDMA synthesis' into google by themselves
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I understand where you're coming from completely, as I say, they were interesting links. We do have to draw lines, though, and in this case, the rule is that detailed synthesis discussion (i.e. that which includes specific conditions, times and temperatures and the like) is not allowed. Could you not copy or paraphrase the relevant parts and omit the parts that fall foul of the rules?
 
rakketakke said:
Seems there's still enough BMK around here :)... Anyhow what's special about those sassafras trees in tropical countries is that they're filled from root to top with safrole whilst the US only have a small percentage. shame !

In my opinion there is a diffirence inbetween racemic mdma and the two seperate isomers (dosage and effectwise) hence the reason there are so many bullshit stories about new potent MDMA.

MDP2P can be had from piperonal aswell. Many roads lead to rome :)
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Come to think of it the new and potent MDMA might as well be the tartrate instead of hydrochloride and second tartrate will separate the enantiomers to some extent.
 
^MDMA tartrate would be less potent than the hydrochloride, no? And if they were separating enantiomers that way, what would they do with the leftovers? Just throw it away?
 
Fifty fifty

Shulginsays

"What was unexpected was that neither isomer gave the magic of the racemic MDMA. It was almost as if both the separate pharmacological components needed to be present to experience the unusual properties of this drug."


And that unless people were purposely doing a synth to make R/S that that's pretty much the natural ratio.

So why would people be messing with the ratios, unless a new synth method is causing a preference of one.
 
tragiclemming said:
As a general rule the synthetic pathway (synthetic as in the process by which something is made) could have significant impact on the ratio of isomers produced in the final product!
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This is what I was thinking!
Varying ratio of isomers = varying effects of the drug.

deko said:
So why would people be messing with the ratios, unless a new synth method is causing a preference of one.
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Not saying people would intentionally mess with ratios but if it was possible accidentally a poor synthesis could yield a ratio that is not 50:50/1:1/racemic therefore causing a lose in "magic".
I dunno. These are just blind theories. I'm certainly not a chemist!
 
As I'm not allowed to link:
Some boffins found
R(-)-MDA is a more potent psychoactive agent than its S(+)-enantiomer, but contrasts with the reported finding that S(+)-MDMA is more potent than R(-)-MDMA in humans. These results suggest that MDMA, unlike MDA and other hallucinogenic phenylisopropylamines, does not work primarily through a direct interaction at 5-HT sites.
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MDMA seems to more normalised response in humans than say mephedrone which seemed to be more varied.
 
How does that work? Surely the salt dissociates as soon as it hits your stomach anyway? A given weight of MDMA tartrate already has far fewer molecules of the good stuff than the HCl, how can the BA be so much better as to compensate for that?
 
^From what I've read, the tatrate and citrate salts get absorbed in a different part of the gut allowing for more complete absorption before being metabolised compared to the chloride. However, the chloride is less hydroscopic and easier to produce en masse. Can't confirm whether or not this is true however.
 
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Here's the BLUA for you to have a look through about posting.

Welcome to BL :)
 
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