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Ecstasy's back and stronger than ever!

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Deep in the remote rainforests of south-western Cambodia, swathes of endangered trees are being felled by gangs of men wielding axes and chainsaws.

Hidden beneath the lush green canopy, vats of boiling water filled with chopped tree trunks and roots bubble up in an unctuous yellow soup.

These makeshift factories are manufacturing safrole, from sassafras oil, to supply a growing demand created by young British people 8,000 miles away.

This illicit industry, controlled by armed criminal gangs and poor Cambodian villagers eking out a living from the land, is the first important stage in the manufacture of the world’s most famous club drug — Ecstasy..Wa-hey!

Recent seizures of Ecstasy suggest that, following years of low levels of MDMA found in the drug, purity is rising to levels last found at the height of the rave music scene in the Nineties.

Earlier this summer, two men died in Ayrshire after taking Ecstasy tablets believed to be six times stronger than normal.

Hopes, however, that the war on Ecstasy was nearly over are sadly premature. In recent months, police seizures of Ecstasy have pointed at a resurgence of a devastatingly potent strain — and toxicological tests have found the percentage of MDMA in pills is on the increase.

It is this new batch of strong Ecstasy that is believed to have its origins in the rainforests of Cambodia.

The new batch in Britain is very good stuff. It’s hard to say No to, so get right on one matey!’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...culture-drug-deadlier-ever.html#ixzz1fggcPi4U
 
whats this new strain they keep going on about, maybe they mean different synth route but MDMA is MDMA. How do you get a job with a national newspaper without being capable to do basic research, i know its the daily fail but still.
 
I call fiction.

A) the pills that killed two boys in Ayrshire had PMMA in them.

B) I do not believe the ecstacy synthisis has reverted back to safrass. There was a batch of orange Q-Dance in Holland that tested as containing some PMK left over from the synth, this means there was no safrass involved in making them. There was also a large bust of raw materials recently and again it was BMK and PMK, so again in this case they were not using safrass.

You can still have high purity, strong MDMA without using safrass. It's all down to the final wash.
 
I call fiction.

A) the pills that killed two boys in Ayrshire had PMMA in them.

B) I do not believe the ecstacy synthisis has reverted back to safrass. There was a batch of orange Q-Dance in Holland that tested as containing some PMK left over from the synth, this means there was no safrass involved in making them. There was also a large bust of raw materials recently and again it was BMK and PMK, so again in this case they were not using safrass.

You can still have high purity, strong MDMA without using safrass. It's all down to the final wash.

everything there seem spot on, i would think all these cambodian factories are supplying the growin chinese market and the rest of asia.
 
Yep I would agree with that. Maybe the odd european lab is using sassafras but I'd say most of our MDMA is still made via PMK/BMK. Not sure about the Canadian labs.
 
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Yep I would agree with that. Maybe the odd european lab is using safrass but I'd say most of our MDMA is still made via PMK/BMK. Not sure about the Canadian labs.

do you think that the mdma that was synthed before the drought we had a couple of years ago was being made via safrass? or was it made via pmk/bk then as well
 
Yep I would agree with that. Maybe the odd european lab is using safrass but I'd say most of our MDMA is still made via PMK/BMK. Not sure about the Canadian labs.

can you explain that for me, or just link me to a wiki or anything that explains this .. where/how/what the extraction/production process is please?
not doubting your explanation for a second, just interested in what this is

after reading about how rare safrass was becoming last year ie: only available via certain trees growing in a few very rare locations, I was wondering how there was a resurgence of pills of decent quality all of a sudden
 
can you explain that for me, or just link me to a wiki or anything that explains this .. where/how/what the extraction/production process is please?
not doubting your explanation for a second, just interested in what this is

after reading about how rare safrass was becoming last year ie: only available via certain trees growing in a few very rare locations, I was wondering how there was a resurgence of pills of decent quality all of a sudden

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/mdma.impurity.study.html haha now that is some tough reading. But basically this;

Route I: PMK → N-formyl-MDMA → MDMA
Route II: PMK → N-formyl-MDA → MDMA
Route III: safrole → MDPBP → MDMA.

My guess would be route 1 is the dominant method being used these days. The others will still be in use, but to a lesser extent.

Asian crackdown

Continue reading the main story To make ecstasy, illegal drug laboratories need a chemical PMK or oil known as safrole.

PMK has a legitimate use in industries like perfume manufacturing. In the past, drums of the chemical, made in China, would disappear from container ships and end up with criminal gangs.

Since 2004 law enforcement agencies in China have worked more closely with police in Europe to control the supply of that chemical.

There is some evidence labs have been switching to safrole, produced from the bark of what is now an endangered tree in South East Asia.

A series of raids by conservation authorities and government troops in Cambodia have recently targeted manufacturing sites there. A single raid in June 2009 destroyed 5.7 tones of the oil, enough to make 44 million ecstasy tablets.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/10353130

do you think that the mdma that was synthed before the drought we had a couple of years ago was being made via safrass? or was it made via pmk/bk then as well

Not in my opinion, because what kicked off the drought was a bust of 7000 litres of raw materials (PMK) being busted in the netherlands in 2006. The dutch apparently banned importation of PMK in 1996, but obviously it's still being sent from China.

I am no chemist and myself, perhaps someone who has a better chemistry background could shed some more light. I have actually heard in the last year people say there are batches of pills being sent from holland that are supposedly sassafras produced. However anyone who has any clue whatsoever will tell you MDMA is MDMA no matter how it's produced, if it's pure it shouldn't matter how it is made. All down to it being washed properly.
 
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http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/mdma.impurity.study.html haha now that is some tough reading. But basically this;

Route I: PMK → N-formyl-MDMA → MDMA
Route II: PMK → N-formyl-MDA → MDMA
Route III: safrole → MDPBP → MDMA.

My guess would be route 1 is the dominant method being used these days. The others will still be in use, but to a lesser extent.

after reading all that and digesting every word thoroughly [yeah, riiiiite] ... I'll rephrase ...

what is PMK, what is BMK, and where do they come from?

to quote wiki, for clarity. what I understand already is:

that: Safrole is a colorless or slightly yellow oily liquid typically extracted from the root-bark or the fruit of sassafras plants in the form of sassafras oil.

but I dont know about PMK/BMK

so, what I basically I want to know: is PMK/BMK a synthesised chemical/whut-tha-fuck-eva-substance, created from a completely inorganic source? if so, what's that source.

if yes, I need some context and useful information to relate me to the source. ie: it's a chemical synthisised from X and is mainly used in the production of X type of goods in Guatemala and is a precursor to X psychotropic substance and can be found on the International Narcotics Control Board's list of watched substances

and yes, i know that's asking a lot. but I'm asking just incase anyone knows :)
 
LOL
/jesus-fucking-christ-on-a-bike

ps: I hate you ;p

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and in case it's not already apparent [altho, I'm sure it's crystal clear to any chemists reading this, or anyone with an IQ over 120], I don't understand chemistry too well. I'm just asking for some info in layman's terms about where PMK/BMK comes from originally, how it's bought/sourced to make MDMA, where it's sourced from mainly ... so i can speculate it's long or short term future availability
 
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is PMK/BMK a synthesised chemical/whut-tha-fuck-eva-substance, created from a completely inorganic source?

PMK is Piperonylmethylketone.

Although I'm not sure about this it appears contrary to what I thought previously you need some safrass to make it. I'm not at all convinced with this article as there are a few things to me that do not add up whatsoever and I am now out of my depth with this you need someone with some sort of chemistry knowlage, but.......http://www.mdma.net/club-drugs/global-ecstasy.html it's a bit of a read but skim through it there is some intresting stuff at the start and the end. Also explains that bust I was on about in 06 that contributed to the drought.

piperonyl methyl ketone (PMK), better known as a synthesised derivative of the sassafras tree whose bark is used to make aromatherapy oils; better known as a banned insecticide in the US; and even better known as the raw material for MDMA, the chemical name for the dance drug ecstasy.

To be honest I wouldn't take anything from that article as gospel at all. MDMA can be synth'd from straight sassafras oil, so why would they need to make it into PMK? Unless it rations out the sassafras oil a bit further? I'd always thought PMK was completely inorganic.

If this is all true it makes a bit of a joke of the sassafras MDMA vs PMK MDMA (not that it wasn't already a joke as MDMA is MDMA).
 
see that's what I originally read a few years ago. that whatever the process, it all goes back to using safrole

so unless PMK/PMK is sourced from a different oil than safrole [in which case, what is it?], or from a totally 100% synthesised chemical [in which case, what is it?], then I already know what I need to know

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I'm not interested in the article, I'm just interested in this: (and I swear, not to be either remotely picky, or annoying, just genuinely wanting the info)

Maybe the odd european lab is using sassafras but I'd say most of our MDMA is still made via PMK/BMK.
 
I wasn't aware of that I thought it was completely synthetic. So in essence I have learned something new I guess haha. I wonder why they make it into PMK rather than using straight safrole. The only thing I can possibly think is more it means you get a better ratio of MDMA produced to safrole used?
 
Ecstasy II - Return of the KILLER Ecstasy


FFS 8) Since when are we reading Daily Heil here?
 
I wasn't aware of that I thought it was completely synthetic. So in essence I have learned something new I guess haha. I wonder why they make it into PMK rather than using straight safrole. The only thing I can possibly think is more it means you get a better ratio of MDMA produced to safrole used?

so ...

until someone chips in with better info to tell us we're talking complete shite [I really wish they would], we're left with this:

MDMA can't be produced via a synthesized chemical made from any other source than safrole oil, which is extracted from sassafrass? ... [/edit]

then I guess we can presume that MDMA production [depressingly], no matter what the intermediate production process [safrole/PMK/BMK], relies squarely on the growth habits & cultivation of the Sassafrass plant/fruit and any other plant that one can extract sassafrass/safrole from?

am I wrong? please tell me I am

if this is the case, as I originally believed, it's completely fucking depressing, and Rockstar gets a spanked bottom for temporarily getting my hopes up <3
 
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i thought the drought landed at the end of 2008, there was plenty of amazing md about a few months before

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/mdma.impurity.study.html haha now that is some tough reading. But basically this;

Route I: PMK → N-formyl-MDMA → MDMA
Route II: PMK → N-formyl-MDA → MDMA
Route III: safrole → MDPBP → MDMA.

My guess would be route 1 is the dominant method being used these days. The others will still be in use, but to a lesser extent.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/10353130



Not in my opinion, because what kicked off the drought was a bust of 7000 litres of raw materials (PMK) being busted in the netherlands in 2006. The dutch apparently banned importation of PMK in 1996, but obviously it's still being sent from China.

I am no chemist and myself, perhaps someone who has a better chemistry background could shed some more light. I have actually heard in the last year people say there are batches of pills being sent from holland that are supposedly sassafras produced. However anyone who has any clue whatsoever will tell you MDMA is MDMA no matter how it's produced, if it's pure it shouldn't matter how it is made. All down to it being washed properly.
 
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