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Vivid said:
Remember the ads with those picture of the holes in the brain said to have been caused by ecstasy? The scientist who did that study later retracted his findings because he later found that he gave the subjects methamphetamine instead of mdma due to a "labeling error".
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Or he (Ricaurte et al.) gave monkeys Meth. The imaging study you are talking about is a completely different study (McCann et al. 1998) - and they never reported it put "holes" in your head (though they would have liked to - and so would their funders!).
 
And Meth is a more potent 5-HT neurotoxin than MDMA and also a DA neurotoxin. Nasty stuff by all accounts.
 
I reckon ecstasy is way way better than meth.
I don't even see the appeal of meth really. You hear about people talking about the high it gives them, how it makes them feel...maybe I'm different in my reaction to it than the average person but I feel NOTHING on it. Well sometimes feel something in my chest, my heart feels like it's beating deeper (coz of its damaging effects no doubt heh) but apart from that I physically feel no different, mood no different etc. All it does is keep me awake, and make me talk alotta crap :D. And then if you've skipped a night's sleep (don't do more than that really) you usually feel sorta dirty n sweaty the next day, often lethargic and your skin/face looks rather life-drained.
Don't understand how people get addicted to it either. Well yeah course I do I mean...well it's so take it or leave it for me, never yearn for it (kno pple that do seem to :\ ). And have had it quite a few times, with some of those times having a fair amount of it. (I know saying all this strongly suggests I shouldn't bother having it at all but really, that applies to many of us with drugs in general ey :) )

Now ecstasy on the other hand, it gives you that feeling. Makes me feel so good n euphoric. More of a social drug me thinks, I'd go with that for clubbing over ice/meth. Can't believe its taking over the rave scene (supposedly) - meth n gbh instead of x n k. :/
Speed I don't mind for clubbing when I can't get pills as the energy it gives is great for dancing. Plus I like snorting as a method of consumption :D Speed and alcohol goes nicely tho even gone well with just speed and water when out, can make for a cheaper night actually haha (don't take any of my comments as advice kids ;) )
But we're talking about meth ey...well the aftermath is way worse than ecstasy for me (don't get comedowns really) and that wif all the stuff I just crapped on about...ecstasy wins hands down.
Course people have their preferences...just wondering if anyone else agrees with me about the puzzling appeal of and lack of effects felt with meth??
 
I looove my rolls. I took meth once last month and I hated it. Sure, it was nice at first, but then I got so much energy I had no clue what to do with myself. I was basically vibrating because I had so much energy in me.

What I didn't like was how I couldn't sleep. I love after a long night of partying coming home and crashing all day. When I was on meth, I couldn't. My heart kept randomly racing for no reason, and I would get 'stuck' on something. Basically I would randomly tune out of reality for an amount of time until something snapped me back.

I like rolls better. The come-down is nicer for me. I never feel sick after I roll, but the meth effects lasted all week, and when I would wake up, I would feel so high and out of my head, it was almost scary.
 
come on, really. one day of using E is gonna do more damage than meth. period.

ps. i like to roll E more than get spun..............
 
miss_goody2shoes said:
Course people have their preferences...just wondering if anyone else agrees with me about the puzzling appeal of and lack of effects felt with meth??
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yeah I agree with you totally! I think that ecstasy is heaps better high-wise. The come down is more manageable and I can sleep at the end of the night. Thats the best thing for me, you know.. being able to sleep when tired. To lie in bed all tired and stuff but not being able to sleep is so painful! It brings back memories of BZP + TMPP nights. :p

I feel good, clean, happy, joyful, lovy dovey on e.
Meth just makes me feel dirty, polluted, munted..
 
ummm, its a fact that hitler had his personal dr brew him methamphetamines which he injected to help battle his parkinsons syndromes and syphilis
 
htown, i learnt about WWII in modern history in high school. I saw a couple of documentaries that said that the German army gave Methamphetimines to their soldiers to improve there concentration and performance. Hitler also used it aswel, and was addicted. By the end of the war he was paranoid and delusional, started making crazy plans:

Eg. "Scorched Earth Policy"
The policy of devastating all land and buildings in the course of advancing or retreating troops so as to leave nothing salvageable to the enemy.

He wasn't going to win the war, so as a desperate last measure he planned to wipe out Germany basically. His advisors didnt agree with this policy, one of them planned to assasinate him because of this policy.

EDIT: I realise this is a little off topic haha.
EDIT: vv yea i just meant it as a joke, i wasnt seriously trying to use it as an argument against meth. haha, ok so i was wrong about the scorched earth policy, i just read somewhere that Hitler had gone crazy from his meth addiction and thought up that policy... (we can go back to talking about drugs now haha)
 
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htown77521 said:
What???? I have never heard of that before and I was born & raised in Germany. Where did you get that info??
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It's also a rhetorical expression - people say things like 'Hitler (or the Nazis) did x, therefore x is bad' - where x can be vegetarianism, or whatever.

I think the guy you quoted was parodying that argument, becuase it wasn't really relevant to the topic of conversation.

[edit] to the previous poster: the scorched earth policy was begun by the Russians after Germany invaded their country, it wasn't a German policy. [wooo, waaaay off-topic ;)]
 
Wow

Dayumn...lol...I guess they forgot to teach us that in school. Just goes to show it is never too late to learn, huh?

Second thought...maybe they DID teach us in school but I just forgot because of my E consumation? Yikesss!!! LOL
 
motiv311 said:
come on, really. one day of using E is gonna do more damage than meth. period.

ps. i like to roll E more than get spun..............
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You obviously know nothing about Methamphetamine, or Ecstasy for that matter.

Damage to serotonin (5-HT) terminals following doses of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) is well documented, and this toxicity is thought to be related to dopamine release that is potentiated by the 5-HT(2A/2C) agonist effects of the drug [Neurotoxicology 19 (3) (1998) 427]. Although MDMA and methamphetamine (METH) have some similar dopaminergic activities, they differ in their 5-HT agonistic properties. It is reasoned that the study of the resultant toxicity following equimolar doses of MDMA and METH on both dopamine and 5-HT terminals should offer a comparison of the ability of these drugs to induce neurotoxicity. In order to measure the toxic effects to the brain, rats were given equimolar doses of MDMA (40mg/kg/day) and METH (32mg/kg/day) in subcutaneously implanted osmotic minipumps for a period of 5 days, and in-vitro autoradiography using [ [Formula: see text] ]-paroxetine, [ [Formula: see text] ]-mazindol, [ [Formula: see text] ]-methylspiperone, and [ [Formula: see text] ]-flunitrazepam, was performed on brain sections. The results showed that METH was more toxic to 5-HT terminals than MDMA in forebrain regions, including the anterior cingulate, caudate nucleus, nucleus accumbens, and septum. METH was also more toxic than MDMA to dopamine terminals in the habenula, and posterior retrosplenial cortex. Therefore, we find that METH was more toxic to 5-HT and dopamine terminals in specific brain regions in both pre and post-synaptic sites following continuous equimolar dosing.
Source : http://amphetamines.com/methamphetamine/methxdop.html
 
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Would like to know more...

AuraithX said:
You obviously know nothing about Methamphetamine, or Ecstasy for that matter.
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8o I think that it is VERY important to be as informed as anyway possible about your drug of choice - legal or illegal. However, I am starting to be more & more paranoid about E because I hear a lot about other (more dangerous) substances being mixed in the pills. If it is possible to get Meth instead of E...could you get hooked on Meth without even knowing it? How can I tell exactly what I am ingesting if I DON'T have a testing kit? Are there any easy tell tales? Anyone? Last but not least...how can I tell if I am hooked on Meth...are there specific signs that would tell you?
 
htown77521 said:
8o I think that it is VERY important to be as informed as anyway possible about your drug of choice - legal or illegal. However, I am starting to be more & more paranoid about E because I hear a lot about other (more dangerous) substances being mixed in the pills. If it is possible to get Meth instead of E...could you get hooked on Meth without even knowing it? How can I tell exactly what I am ingesting if I DON'T have a testing kit? Are there any easy tell tales? Anyone? Last but not least...how can I tell if I am hooked on Meth...are there specific signs that would tell you?
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If you're setting breaks for yourself between rolls (2weeks - 3 months) I doubt you'll ever get addicted to anything inside the pill. It's people who start smoking meth weekly, then dialy who get addicted.

Once you're a bit more experienced you'll be able to differentiate a meth-bomb and a clean pill. You'll generally feel alot more energetic and get a worse come down off a meth pill. I've heard good clean pills being called "Heroin-based" before because MDMA produces a more emphatic,dopier state.

If you want to read more there's a Ecstasy Faq on the main page

(here's a link: http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79027)
also; http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml

ps: Welcome to Bluelight!
 
AuraithX said:
If you're setting breaks for yourself between rolls (2weeks - 3 months) I doubt you'll ever get addicted to anything inside the pill. It's people who start smoking meth weekly, then dialy who get addicted.

Once you're a bit more experienced you'll be able to differentiate a meth-bomb and a clean pill. You'll generally feel alot more energetic and get a worse come down off a meth pill. I've heard good clean pills being called "Heroin-based" before because MDMA produces a more emphatic,dopier state.

I guess that you can call us experienced. 8( We have been doing X for 6 years now - every weekend. I think we kinda took it for granted that we always had clean pills until recently when I came across www.pillreports.com and saw that a lot of pills were mixed with other things. It was then that I started realizing why we sometimes had such different results as far as our high goes. On some pills we felt nothing, on others we stayed awake for a looong time, on some we couldn't sleep, threw up, got sick to the stomach etc. I now know almost for sure that it was on those occasions that we had 'dirty' pills. Just not sure how to tell in advance what exactly we get without having test kits.
Just the thought that we might be taking meth without being aware of it bothers me a lot. I did a lot of research on MDMA but nothing on any of the other drugs...MDE, MDA, MEth, etc. So, therefore it is hard for me to tell what exactly we took.
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htown77521 said:
Once you're a bit more experienced you'll be able to differentiate a meth-bomb and a clean pill. You'll generally feel alot more energetic and get a worse come down off a meth pill. I've heard good clean pills being called "Heroin-based" before because MDMA produces a more emphatic,dopier state.

I guess that you can call us experienced. 8( We have been doing X for 6 years now - every weekend. I think we kinda took it for granted that we always had clean pills until recently when I came across www.pillreports.com and saw that a lot of pills were mixed with other things. It was then that I started realizing why we sometimes had such different results as far as our high goes. On some pills we felt nothing, on others we stayed awake for a looong time, on some we couldn't sleep, threw up, got sick to the stomach etc. I now know almost for sure that it was on those occasions that we had 'dirty' pills. Just not sure how to tell in advance what exactly we get without having test kits.
Just the thought that we might be taking meth without being aware of it bothers me a lot. I did a lot of research on MDMA but nothing on any of the other drugs...MDE, MDA, MEth, etc. So, therefore it is hard for me to tell what exactly we took.
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You can never be sure without a testing kit, pillreports is your best bet.
 
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