Ecstasy takes women higher, men lower: study

The talk about how you can measure the more subjective effects makes me wonder if perhaps some of the data could have accidentally been biased by the participants- given the differences in the way men and woman describe things, especially about themself. At the very least, it may exaggerate the differences so that they are more noticable.
 
I thought this was already shown in some other study? I remember reading about this a few years ago somewhere...
 
Wow I need stats....

Since I get BLOWN UP everytime I use it (8 total times)...I disagree with this study. But I suppose there are exceptions to the rule.

My comedown isn't bad at all, either.

Cola comedown is way worse for me.
 
Cheshire Kat said:
I thought this was already shown in some other study? I remember reading about this a few years ago somewhere...
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neither of them prove or show anything.

both support a particular idea/theory,
the more studies that are done and support it,
the stronger the theory.


This should apply to every aspect of your existence.
 
Hmmm...
eeeeeenteresting...
My mind went straight to drawing a parallel between this study article and how women have (they say) more intense orgasms than men.
Definitely something to do with our cranial jello and the chemicals that lie within...
 
This is pretty interesting. I wouldn't doubt this to be true but I wont totally buy into it just yet. I'd really like to see them test this study further.
 
Pimp Lazy said:
Women synthesize serotonin much slower than men. I'm not sure if they have lower levels, but the synthesis is much slower. Men produce dopamine much less efficiently than women. All of this ties in to behavioural stereotypes. Interesting stuff.

PAX,
PL
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I think women may have higher serotonin levels (does serotonin correlate to estrogen? i know dopamine and testosterone are linked) but like you said they synthesize it much slower. That would work with what the study said.

A woman would take MDMA, get very high from higher than mens serotonin levels, then one of two things would happen, either the high loss of serotonin+neurotoxicity makes them affected negatively for longer , or their serotonin is depleted and it takes longer for it to be replenished.

I've actually been thinking about this for a few years now.

Does anyone know if estrogen and serotonin levels correlate?I have a strong feeling they do... <3
 
It doesent say men cant get as high as women, it just says women get higher off the same amount than men do..

Damn women
 
nikol said:
The talk about how you can measure the more subjective effects makes me wonder if perhaps some of the data could have accidentally been biased by the participants- given the differences in the way men and woman describe things, especially about themself. At the very least, it may exaggerate the differences so that they are more noticable.
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An excellent point and my thoughts exactly. It's difficult to measure. Also, how did they measure doses? Government regulated pills?
 
I KNEW IT!

Sweet... that eliminates any remaining guilt I've had when partitioning doses. I know how to get it right so we end up at the same point, but it always seems so uneven when you look at it.
 
I wouldn't say this is surprising. I'd think women would have a stronger response to most drugs. Look at alcohol. On average women are lighter so just by that giving a man and a woman equivalent doses of the same drug would likely cause the lighter party to be more strongly affected. Also, mens bodies carry more water, weight for weight meaning that administered drugs are more diluted.

It's possible that hormonal (menstrual cycle) differences for woman could increase the comedown I guess. Maybe if it was to coincide with 'that time of the month'? Do any women have experience with this?

Cheers,

SS
 
I can see where you are going with that- different hormones affecting how chemicals act in the body Like you were saying with alcohol and how women react to it- woman actually start producing testosertone to a small degree when they drink in order to help metabolize it.
 
lilczey said:
funny to me, cuz when we took e....*(now just i take for these very reasons)* that my girl would always be more of a fiend for the drug then i would be on the come-down........and she always seemed to be higher than i was.......TOO.....that lil bitch


LUCKY BITCHES.......

wat do us guys get......work every day....hard labor......pay bills, take care of our ladies.......and the lil bitches get more fucked up than us.......LOL

OOOOOOOOOOO i get it so it makes it easier for us to get some "pussy" since u guys are sooo fucked up off of everything....:)....



??right??
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You need to start hustling.
 
Couldn't part of this be explained by the fact that men just weigh a lot more then women?
 
Oooh quantifying euphoria, interesting stuff.

I know that in rats, rate of self-stimulation of certain parts of the brains (septum) can be used to quantify pleasure. But this leaves out motivational factors (certain rats may find the effort of self-stimulation less taxing than other rats, thus the rate of self-stimulation doesn't entirely depend on the intensity of pleasure), and it certainly brings up ethical problems.

Interesting stuff though, i'm sure there are lots of great papers out there about quantifying subjective opinions.
 
robbyberto said:
Couldn't part of this be explained by the fact that men just weigh a lot more then women?
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I doubt it- generally the experiments are designed to control as much bias as possible, so given that there is a difference that obvious, they would be able to modify the experiment to control for that factor. Plus, there are a lot of times that body weight simply seems to not matter... I've seen guys over twice my size (I'm 105) take the same amount that I have and have just as good a time. Weight probably matters, but not as much as people seem to assume.
 
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