Ecstasy 'safer' than binge drinking

I swear that most of the counter arguments could be solved by legalising MDMA therefore cutting out the impurities. Especially the 'deadly PMA' !

And the case studies, for instance Anna Woods, that was in 1995 FFS! People die EVERY weekend from alchol poisoning!?!?

Its absolutley fucking ridiculous.
 
buttnaked said:
"and a substance used to treat dogs and cats for incontinence."

Does this explain why sometimes when rolling you can't take a piss?
Is there any truth to the BS this Phd chick is claiming?
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MDMA stimulates the release of Vasopressin which is an anti-diuretic hormone.

"While diuretics cause increased urination, increases in anti-diuretic hormone reduce urination and levels of salt in the bloodstream. Drinking too much water and an increase of ADH combine to make hyponatremia more likely."


Thats why you can't take a piss when your rolling. No animal incontinance drugs!
 
Though I am incredibly annoyed with the Anna Wood case being used again.

I think this part is great:

Anecdotal evidence suggesting young Australians have now discovered the benefits of buying ecstasy pills in bulk, has strengthened criticism of the Rudd Government's alcopop tax hike.

Distilled Spirits Industry Council of Australia research manager Stephen Riden said recent data made a mockery of the Government's stated aim.

"The words 'abject failure' would spring to mind," Mr Riden said.
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Anything that makes Rudd's alcopop tax look bad (and it is), is alright in my books.
 
Ham420 said:
I swear that most of the counter arguments could be solved by legalising MDMA therefore cutting out the impurities. Especially the 'deadly PMA' !

And the case studies, for instance Anna Woods, that was in 1995 FFS! People die EVERY weekend from alchol poisoning!?!?

Its absolutley fucking ridiculous.
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Yep. Can you imagine writing an article on the evils of alcohol and citing a single "alcohol" over dose from 1995, in a case that wasn't even alcohol, but was actually a glass of pure sulfuric acid sold as alcohol to the victim.

;)
 
Cool!:D lets do sum more studies and restrict alchohol to a minimum of four standards, should help cut out the "dickhead syndrome" and get the extacy LEGALISED!! wont be so much bullshit goin on, everyone will be too busy loving everything:| ...problem solved
 
Rated E said:
Yep. Can you imagine writing an article on the evils of alcohol and citing a single "alcohol" over dose from 1995, in a case that wasn't even alcohol, but was actually a glass of pure sulfuric acid sold as alcohol to the victim.

;)
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exactly, MDMA isnt the problem in these deaths associated with exstacy. and i dont think its speed, ketamine, coke or any of the other fun adulterants added to the pills. PMA is bad yes. its lame that you dont always know whats in the pill, but you can always buy a pill tester. but could you imagine if MDMA/MDA was regulated by the government like alcohol.. hmmmmm. ive been thinking about this all night.
 
The entire article is just facepalm....

Edit: No need for a meme.

...even the pro-ecstasy guy is a retard.





However, the statement brought a stinging rebuke from another researcher, who cited the 1995 death of Sydney schoolgirl Anna Wood after she took an ecstasy pill at a dance party.
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Massive facepalm.

Way to go anecdotal evidence. Must be a PHD in lit studies.
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Yep. Can you imagine writing an article on the evils of alcohol and citing a single "alcohol" over dose from 1995, in a case that wasn't even alcohol, but was actually a glass of pure sulfuric acid sold as alcohol to the victim.
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2*QFT
 
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E-llusion said:
In the wake of new data which shows more young Queenslanders are switching to ecstasy following the Rudd Government's 70 per cent tax hike on alcopops...
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Forgive me if this is due to yank ignorance, but what are alcopops??
 
Yes but the alcopop tax refers to all pre-mixed alcoholic drinks. That includes bourbon and cola, etc.

The Australian Government placed a tax on the price of pre-mixed drinks (in bars and bottle shops), in an attempt to lower the rates of under age binge drinking.

After the tax increase, it was reported that the tax was 'sucessfully lowering the sales of pre-mixed drinks'... No mention of whether the sales of beer and wine or straight liquor had increased (which weren't exposed to the tax increase). No mention of rates of under age drinking. Massive facepalm.
 
nuke said:
It actually turns them into superhorses:
"Ketamine effects on horses, which were applied by the US army in Arizona during the 1980s proved ketamine provided horses with the faculty to jump notably higher than when they were not under the influence of ketamine. Thus, being a response of stimulant effects."


I'm kind of dubious of this wiki entry though...
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Haha. I read that too a while ago. It made me smile. I'll see if I can dig anything up about that alleged study and let you know if it's legit or not.
 
Do you people honestly think ecstasy is an alternative to alcohol? You simply cannot talk MDMA every week without causing massive issues, let alone do it for years.

Alcohol you can drink every week and not experience any issues (this doesn't count drinking a bottle of spirits a week). Yes alcohol can kill you a lot easier then mdma but death isn't the only issue, if you use it long term it WILL mess with the neurotransmitters in your brain.
 
who said ecstasy was often laced with potentially lethal substances such as the nerve-numbing horse tranquilliser ketamine, morphine, anti-anxiety medication and a substance used to treat dogs and cats for incontinence.
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She said it was crucial people were made more aware of the "grave" dangers associated with the pills, and "not misguided by ridiculous information".
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Looks like she is the only one giving out misguided ridiculouses information.
 
rolls said:
Do you people honestly think ecstasy is an alternative to alcohol? You simply cannot talk MDMA every week without causing massive issues, let alone do it for years.

Alcohol you can drink every week and not experience any issues (this doesn't count drinking a bottle of spirits a week). Yes alcohol can kill you a lot easier then mdma but death isn't the only issue, if you use it long term it WILL mess with the neurotransmitters in your brain.
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This article was referring to drinking something equivalent to a bottle of spirits a week (or in a night), hence the comparison between binge drinking and taking small amounts of ecstasy. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone that would disagree with the fact that binge drinking can negatively impact on your health in a number of ways, including 'mess with the neurotransmitters in your brain'. Additionally though it can mess with your liver and increase the chance of your getting cancer.

As to MDMA having a lasting and profound effect on the neural structure of your brain there is fairly inconclusive evidence for this at present. Some studies have shown that impaired cognition in heavy ecstasy users may actually improve after abstinence, indicating that MDMA may not necessarily be neurotoxic.

Not saying that either drinking or MDMA is a 'safe' option, but neither is driving your car. Maybe do some objective research into the effect that each of these drugs can have before pawning them off as necessarily bad.
 
Ok this kid got popped with E. The retarded cop was like, how much of this do you take, he was like I dont know a few. The cop was like "Do you know what this can do to your brain, it can over heat you. HAHA.

God I'm not a roller, was a opiate, benzo, bud person. But sense my friend was able to get the best E at the time strong mdma with nos=heaven until are tank ran out. Now they put sick shit in the nos.

For real though my point is, I did this on the hottest day of the year when it was 98 degrees, and the air was broke. I had no problems.

The best part about it was that I didn't get any amped out feeling. Sure I was energized, but basically putting my head under cold water would feel amazing. Anything would. Also little flash visuals of this board and people talking about E when I finaly rolled.

I called like all my friends and told them haha. One of them was snorting coke whos not my friend anymore. I was like, god that's so stupid.

Things like E, LSD, MUSHROOMS, and other trippy drugs really allow people to figure things out, like changing there life around or just doing somthing different.
 
If you use it [MDMA] long term it WILL mess with the neurotransmitters in your brain.
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Well, all psychoactive chemicals influence receptors for neurotransmitters in the brain--that is what defines a psychoactive drug as such. Clearly the idea that MDMA has a profound effect on the anatomical structure of the brain is bullshit. This idea stems from the fact that Oprah doesn't know how to read a PET scan and thinks that neuronal areas that are not firing at the time of the scan are "holes in the brain." Clear horseshit. However, MDMA is certainly not a physically harmless drug; it is metabolized into neurotoxic chemicals that increase the overall level of oxidative stress in the brain. Everyone who takes MDMA should also know that taking it in a continuous "multi-dose" paradigm throughout the night dramatically reduces the clearance of pro-oxidant metabolites (e.g. 5-(N-acetylcysteinyl)-alpha-methyl-dopamine). So it is much better to take a single dose of MDMA all at one time, instead of continuing to take 'booster' doses.

There might be no such thing as an utterly physically harmless drug, but LSD is the only one that at least comes close.
 
brentxzi said:
Things like E, LSD, MUSHROOMS, and other trippy drugs really allow people to figure things out, like changing there life around or just doing somthing different.
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I definitely agree. Although they can have a deleterious effect on the brain etc. you really open up new ways of thinking and understanding the world. They're not for everyone, but they can definitely be life changing - in a positive way.
 
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