Ecstasy 'safer' than binge drinking

^ True, I was more referring to MDMA in the neurotoxic effect. I don't think there has been much evidence for neurotoxicity of LSD and psylocibin/psylocin.
 
jesse_wg said:
Not saying that either drinking or MDMA is a 'safe' option, but neither is driving your car. Maybe do some objective research into the effect that each of these drugs can have before pawning them off as necessarily bad.
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The point I'm making is if you use MDMA every weekend you will get depressed and anxious. Hell this happens to most people even after 1 use, yes it recedes and you go back to normal after a while but that's not the point. With alcohol you feel like shit for a day (probably do some damage to your liver) and then mentally you are fine.

With MDMA if you are doing it every weekend for the average person you are going to start feeling pretty shitty during the week when you aren't using it after a few months.

This is my point, and it is that MDMA is not a substitute for alcohol.
 
Professor Najman's comments drew scorn from University of Adelaide PhD student Emily Jaehne, who said ecstasy was often laced with potentially lethal substances such as the nerve-numbing horse tranquilliser ketamine, morphine, anti-anxiety medication and a substance used to treat dogs and cats for incontinence.
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So the best they could find to refute a professor was a student. What an insult for Professor Najman.
 
rolls said:
Alcohol you can drink every week and not experience any issues (this doesn't count drinking a bottle of spirits a week). Yes alcohol can kill you a lot easier then mdma but death isn't the only issue, if you use it long term it WILL mess with the neurotransmitters in your brain.
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According to current research done by MAPS, comparing serotonin levels of a control group to a group of ecstasy users who had abstained from use for 6 months there was no significant different between each groups level of serotonin.


This was part of the research done that has helped pave the way for the FDA approving a study to be done in using MDMA in the treatment of PTSD. Israel has already launched their own pilot study for PTSD soldiers.

I'd like to know what studies you are referencing that says mdma "WILL mess with the neurotransmitters...", which ones exactly it will mess with, and how.
 
But look at those two examples of people DIEING after taking ecstasy! Considering there have only been one case of alcohol poisoning in the last 13 years in Australia that makes ecstasy twice as dangerous.

And talk about a serious post hoc argument there.
 
-neptune- said:
I'd like to know what studies you are referencing that says mdma "WILL mess with the neurotransmitters...", which ones exactly it will mess with, and how.
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I didn't mean permanently I meant if you compared a user that uses (MDMA) every weekend versus one that drinks every weekend.

We aren't talking about abstaining for 6 months, we are talking about using it as a substitute for alcohol, which is generally used weekly. At least this is the impression I got from the article.

edit: I doubt any studies take into account the fact that most pills are laced with meth and have impurities such as precursor chemicals in them.
 
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Personally I just don't touch home made pills at all. I stick to the stuff that the earth produces, or doctors.
 
Just because it comes from the earth doesn't mean its any less toxic (I know you were referring to weed which isn't)
 
i love how the only case they have of an ecstasy death is 13 years ago.... i would be curious to know how many alcohol related deaths there have been in the last 13 years... i can almost guarantee a whole hell of a lot more then 1.
 
who would've thought that mdma is safer than the most intoxicating and mind-numbing of all drugs. Who knew it was safer than the media's most ignored, homicidal, life-crushing chemical known as ethanol/alcohol?

And I thought chemicals that make you happy, like MDMA/MDA were horrible for the mind, body and soul? Anything that actually causes effects that are ecstatic and especially if it makes you feel selfless (cuz, thats what we are not), thats gotta be some serioussss shit. And it is serious, but reading this was not a surprise, but btw, they say binge drinking... I'm sure half a bottle of gray goose vs 2-3 good clean rolls, the liquor is worse...

What about binge rolling? lol. Thats the one thing that may be worse than alcohol. Oh, and I mean, there are other serious neurotoxins that are commonly used, like methamphetamine. pcp. (however since the dissociative damage thing was never proven, pcp may or may not actually be neurotoxic. Hell, ket protects the brain and I've never met anyone too burnt from K, and I find that the people I know who use dissociatives commonly, they dont seem as burnt as you would think from reading about olney's lesions.. in fact i find constant lower-dose use of ket and even dex makes me SHARPER..)
 
pearly.bubble said:
i love how the only case they have of an ecstasy death is 13 years ago.... i would be curious to know how many alcohol related deaths there have been in the last 13 years... i can almost guarantee a whole hell of a lot more then 1.
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Almost guarantee???? WTF are you smoking, alcohol related deaths kill more people than any other drug related deaths / health problems, and with all the late stage alcoholics we have now, the numbers just rise every year. More than almost guarantee, you can cut my balls off if there has been less than 5,000 alcohol related deaths in the last 13 years, and that's a conservative guesstimate... I ain't never seen nobody eat some thizzle or smoke a blunt and then beat their wife and end up on cops saying "I was just soo stoned man, I can't even remeber, I was rolling so hard I just decided to beat that bitch.."

Alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs out there especially because alcoholism is glorified to some degree in our society.

-Inrvizion %)
 
So we all agree alcohol is dangerous but does anyone here honestly believe you would be better off doing MDMA every weekend vs drinking alcohol every weekend?
 
Riemann Zeta said:
So, one single person died from an "Ecstasty" pressie (not necessarily MDMA) because she drank 25L of water, hence it follows that MDMA is extremely dangerous and will probably kill you... 8) Of course, we all know that no one has ever died from drinking alcohol before. ;)
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There are quite a few cases of people dying after taking a pill and drinking too much water.
 
MarijuanaKills420 said:
Personally I just don't touch home made pills at all. I stick to the stuff that the earth produces, or doctors.
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Poison Ivy is produced by the Earth. But I'd rather brush my teeth with a plastic man-made toothbrush than the former.
 
Yes

rolls said:
So we all agree alcohol is dangerous but does anyone here honestly believe you would be better off doing MDMA every weekend vs drinking alcohol every weekend?
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If it's reasonably pure Molly (Crystal MDMA) and you take a dose in between 75-175mg depending on your tolerance and body weight and such. YES I honestly believe that I would be better off taking that weekly or probably more like twice a month, just cause I like to give my brain some recuperation time, than I would getting three sheets to the wind every weekend. And I would have much more fun, alcohol is not my drug of choice and rolling is five million times as fun as getting drunk in humble opinion.

More than one love,
Inrvizion =D
 
Yes but you can reasonably safely drink alcohol every single weekend for 50 years. You CANNOT say the same about MDMA. The fact that you need to give your brain recuperation time means it is not a replacement. Once or twice a month in low doses like you said, then I agree you could probably get away with it, but the average Joe doesn't drink once or twice a month does he?

We need to be honest people, you get a tolerance fast if used regularly and you will end up depressed if you use weekly. This is the reason it will never be used as a replacement for alcohol.
 
theWorldWithin said:
A more reasonable alternative would be a weaker opiate such as hydrocodone which often stablizes tolerance at ~50 mg in most users. No brain damage, no risk of HPPD or amphetamine psychosis (which MDMA can in fact cause), no horrid semi permanent amp tolerance, etc.
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one would, no doubt, develop some horrid semi permanent opiate addiction before long. i had opiate withdrawal once, and i did not like it one bit. perhaps alcohol addiction is harder to beat than opiate addiction (as some people say) but no doubt opiate addiciton is a lot more easily "achieved" ...
 
Well its not people that take e that are filling up the hospitals every fri, and sat.
Yet of all everyone as tried them or have smoked pot, and why will the goverment not make it legal is a mistery,, more people die every year from pea nuts than they do from e..... [FACT]...............8)
 
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