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Ecstasy newspaper article (Griffith Uni, Brisabne)

I also think that while meth is a very addictive drug, a lot of the people who have problems with drugs are predisposed and if their DOC wasn't available there is a decent liklihood they would of had problems with something else. MDMA does not lend itself to abuse and you really do get a tolerance VERY fast without even using the shit daily.

Of the circles I know the less habitual drug users have kind of disappeared because they don't bother since pills died and they never needed drugs. Most of the rest have always been the type to over do it, and I think whether MDMA was commonly available at this point or not, a LOT of these heavy drug users would of lost the magic at some point and started on with something else.

Though I definately do think that less good pills around lately must drive more people to use meth as well as other drugs like G and LSD. For quite a while it seemed like some of the younger people I know were keen to keep buying pills even though they sucked, but those days are LONG gone. It is hard for me to comment if pills are as prevalent among teenagers as they were when I was a teen (not too long ago) as I do not meet many new people, especially of that age. Among the people I know though, very few if anybody indulges in 'ecstasy' anymore.
 
Props Psilo, very impressive, very well spoke, you constantly impress me.

AusDD should be very proud to have such an intelligent, mature and well, pretty much awesome MOD for their forum.
 
^^^you forgot to mention his charming good looks! Well answered mate, pitty it will only reach a small group of readers.
 
Divine Moments said:
I agree, good responses mate :)

Also agree with MrIbis that it's a little irrelevant to be doing an article on this topic given the current market :\
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Hi, I'm Vivienne. The article is about the fact that ecstasy isn't ecstasy these days, that people are coming on online forums to find out what is in the pills they are buying, and whether the info they find online/test kits are helping prevent harm or not, given how dangerous pills these days are.

I've used a government report which says that pills now have half the MDMA they had in 2004 as well.
 
skeazel said:
Hi, I'm Vivienne. The article is about the fact that ecstasy isn't ecstasy these days, that people are coming on online forums to find out what is in the pills they are buying, and whether the info they find online/test kits are helping prevent harm or not, given how dangerous pills these days are.

I've used a government report which says that pills now have half the MDMA they had in 2004 as well.
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Hi vivienne, good to see you made it to Bluelight :)

Would it be possible to link to the article once it's been published?
 
H Vivienne, if you wish to meet me at Nathan Campus tomorrow i would be more then glad to express my thoughts with you. [snip]
 
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skeazel said:
Hi, I'm Vivienne. The article is about the fact that ecstasy isn't ecstasy these days, that people are coming on online forums to find out what is in the pills they are buying, and whether the info they find online/test kits are helping prevent harm or not, given how dangerous pills these days are.

I've used a government report which says that pills now have half the MDMA they had in 2004 as well.
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Which report was this and is it online? If so, could you please share a link to the government report?
 
Another question

skeazel said:
Some ecstasy users were suspicious of sites like bluelight and pillreports, because they thought that they were being used by dealers to advertise their product by giving it good ratings.
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While dealer reports do happen from time to time on pillreports, with such a large group of forum users, dealers are usually caught out within minutes of posting rubbish reports.

Online dealer reports don't even come close to the misinformation that is spread by dealers trying to move dodgy products at clubs/events.

So while dealer reports do happen from time to time, misinformation is actually rarer in the forums than it is in real life. Anyone perpetuating that this isn't true, has no real idea of how these forums work and the tremendous effort that is put in by volunteer mods and admins to give the best possible information at all times.
 
Yeah I'd have to agree, people usually pick up on the dealer reports fairly quickly, either because it's obviously suspicious, or someone else will try the pill and come back and warn people that it's rubbish.

As opposed to a club, where you usually find out after you've already eaten it.
 
Do you think that if people identify the pill that they are
taking/buying is low in MDMA content they are more likely to take
more of them to achieve the same effect?
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Ecstasy users will dose larger amounts of weaker pills to reach the desired effects. MDMA has a sweet spot and with less MDMA in pills than ever before, people will certainly take more than in years gone by. It should be noted that this is only dangerous if the pills also contain an active other than MDMA. If the only active is MDMA, but the pills are weaker than they used to be, it should not be seen as a health risk to take more than if the pills were high dose MDMA.

Imagine if paracetamol pill makers dropped their content down to 100mg per pill, instead of the usual 500mg. As long as it is only paracetamol which is active, it is safe to take 5 in order to get the analgesic effect that used to be reached by taking only one.

If the ecstasy pills test up to contain something other than MDMA (currently VERY common), I warn against using them at all.

What do you think about this statement by the Queensland Crime and
Misconduct Commission:

"Harm reduction websites, reagent testing kits and subjective
communication among users do not provide an accurate method of
determining the content of a tablet. The true drug profile of a
tablet can only be achieved through forensic analysis."
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While reagent testing is not a 100% accurate way of determining a pills contents and subjective user reports change significantly from person to person. Testing kits are quite good at showing up harmful MDMA replacements. Without such testing kits and online user reports, the risk to ecstasy users increases dramatically.

If governing bodies are certain that "The true drug profile of a tablet can only be achieved through forensic analysis" (which I fully agree with) they should feel free to share such forensic analysis information with online forums. In countries where pill testing is legal, the rates of adulterated pills have dropped significantly, which in turn, makes for a safer and healthier community.

It is a fact that if testing kits and drug information forums were banned, we would see even more adulterated pills on the market and many medical complications from people taking these pills. People are never going to stop using ecstasy, no matter what laws are put in place. The lack of forensic testing information is a burden to every Australian, not just the ecstasy users. People taking dodgy pills sometimes end up in hospital, where they take up beds that could be put to far better use. I'm certain that many government officials already know this, but taking any approach towards drugs, other than the failed hard line, is sadly not a good political move.
 
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