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Ecstasy As A Cure for Depression!

Dr.Who

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> I Confess, I am not a re-searcher or a medical professional.
But I have lived in a state of chronic mental depression for much of my life.
In my own mind it was not something with which I was afflicted.
I was not "suffering" from depression; It was a facet of my personality.
I had no expectations, nor concerns for relief. Depression was a part of me.
Overcoming obsessive thoughts of suicide, I had learned to "live" with it.

> John Lennon singing about being "crippled inside", that is exactly how it feels!
Everything that there is seems meaningless, I don't belong anywhere,
I am not part of anything & I had No Hope of changing that!
the knowledge that other people were happy much of the time, made me would wonder if
there was something intrinsically wrong with me, could I really be so different?

> Then one day as I was trying to communicate my dismal world outlook to
a Girl I had just met. She handed me a pill & told me it would change my life.
This was in 1983 & the pill was a drug known as MDMA.
I find it difficult to explain, how for the first time since becoming a adult,
I experienced true happiness & unbelievably, the feeling lingered for months
after the actual effect of the drug wore off & Yes, the experience changed me forever!

> It brought me out of the depths of depression, long enough to see something other
than chronic depression existed! Perhaps depression is an inevitable result of
faulty brain chemistry or something like that? It was not my personality that changed,
it was more a change of mood. An amazing sense of gladness unlike anything I had felt
since my childhood! I doubt I would be alive today had I not experienced what seemed
a "magical transformation" which returned to me some of the bliss of lost childhood.

> One dose of MDMA 3 or 4 times a year was able to provide complete relief from my depression,
Of course when it was no longer available to me. I re-searched many less effective
& far more costly "cures" ( opiates, amphetamines etc. ) when you stop taking them you get even more depressed!
Perhaps in the future the option of using MDMA as a treatment for depression will be made
available to others who are depressed & have accepted their lives as they are ( as I did )
forgetting life as a once happy experience.

> As a very wise-man named Alexander Shulgin once said "MDMA is truly a Penicillin for the Soul".
:)
 
Depression is a poorly understood illness and MDMA properly administered may indeed be very helpful for some. However, what works for one person may not work at all for the next. Glad to hear you're feeling better.
 
I'm glad to hear that helped you out! Depression can definitely be serious and as somebody who has dealt with both depression and anxiety for many years now I know how bad it can get.
 
about fucking time; a positive, honest, truthful thread pertaining to the benefits of mdma!

congratulations and respect Dr.Who :)
 
The only reason MDMA is illegal in my opinion is because Big Pharma found out back in the 80s that MDMA would be perfect to treat depression, and since there is no money in healthy people, they bribed the Governments and launched the war on drugs, making LSD, MDMA, cannabis etc illegal.
Then they provide their own SHITTY drugs like SSRI and all that bull****
MDMA changed me forever after a single dose, and I know these big guys know exactly this. One single dose of MDMA will change you FOREVER.
Something that brilliant must ofc be illegal... Damn I hate our corrupt world sometimes.

After becoming an adult I discovered cannabis, shrooms and mdma a little later. What utter lies I have been fed my whole life.
See through the lies, rise from the shackles and claim your freedom, and most important : RESEARCH
 
MDMA was at first, and still is, inspiring to me. However, it is easy to get mentally addicted to it, and even at once a month for years, created depression for me. I do believe it opened my eyes and heart but I found it difficult to avoid the mental addiction personally.
 
Exstazy said:
The only reason MDMA is illegal in my opinion is because Big Pharma found out back in the 80s that MDMA would be perfect to treat depression
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Nah, it's illegal because America and other places are a bunch of prudes and drugs done for recreational sake are bad, mmkay? (Unless it's alcohol or especially coffee, because ordinary WASPs drink it.) Big Pharma probably has the same bias as everyone else (that and the government red tape on recreational drugs makes them tough to research). You have to laugh, for instance, that pharma seems to be taking things like ketamine analogs a bit more seriously as anti-depressants just *now* -- recreational users could've told them that a long time ago!

In the case of MDMA, from what I understand of the story, Shulgin rediscovered it and quietly spread information around more experimental psychotherapists. It was, and still is, a possibly useful therapeutic tool for reasons that I'm sure you know. These folks wanted to manage to keep it quiet -- the story of LSD's transformation from academic tool to counterculture symbol to BAN was well known to them -- and did so for at least a few years.

Unfortunately, it spread out to the nightclub / bar scene in the 1980s as a fully legal recreational drug (in part as a cocaine substitute I guess, in part for its own sake)... supposedly big in some places like Texas (!) and the NYC gay scene. So, bingo, the ban-hammer.

The thing as, as a therapy tool, a psychiatrist wouldn't use it like most people use it (it would be a one time four hour therapy session and lower dose than the typical recreational dose type of thing). MDMA is horrible as a long-term anti-depressant (depleting your serotonin isn't exactly a sound strategy) and so many people are so conditioned to just pop miracle pills they know nothing about daily.
 
I think a bit of ketamine would be a better idea really, because no matter how much MDMA you do you will always feel at-least a little shitty for a few days.
 
In all seriousness I think in a way it is dangerous to talk about ectasy as a treatment for depression because of the severe comedown it can have for biologically depressed individuals. I've known people whom have experienced depression that was most likely caused by their environment for whom SSRI's didn't help who benefited greatly from ectasy (I don't believe enough study has been done to separate chronic hopelessness and actual, biological depression). I've also known people for whom SSRI's were THE ONLY THING that helped their condition and for those sorts of people I believe ectasy could have a fatal comedown (the kind where you feel like killing yourself ect). It is important when you talk about treatment with depression to separate biological and environmental depression. You did say you were however a chronic depression sufferer, so perhaps with more information about the cause of your depression, what initiatives you've taken to treat it in the past and whether or not you had any social changes around the time of the beginning of your ectasy use you could make a convincing case to study :).
 
Besides all that. Treating the depression would imply daily usage of the MDMA which is not possible without destroying yourself. So, sure you can treat your depression for a day every two months to avoid damage. Whats the point of that. Well i guess you get a depression free day every two months so i guess thats more then nothing?
 
blight12 said:
Besides all that. Treating the depression would imply daily usage of the MDMA which is not possible without destroying yourself. So, sure you can treat your depression for a day every two months to avoid damage. Whats the point of that. Well i guess you get a depression free day every two months so i guess thats more then nothing?
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I think the OP is making a different point. Rather implying that, when suffering from chronic depression for all your life, MDMA opens a door into happiness that you never thought possible. Thus, providing a foundation of happiness which has never been felt and creating potentially long-term benefits, without regular consumption.
 
Still would come with potential risks.

Treating a low in serotonin person with a serotonin releasing drug that can cause long term depression.

Certainly sounds risky wouldnt you think?
 
Well not if its as JWills20 says. Then there would be no treatment with the drug but instead an experience would be an indicator of the possible growth potential and treatment might be of an alternative or internal nature free of SRI drugs. If i understood correctly...
 
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