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Ecstasy and the immune system.

I don't think anyone with a cold is going to take E with the belief it's going to help. They might think it will relieve the symptoms for a few hours but I think it's much more likely they'll think "This will damage my immune system and make it worse".

Incidentally badstart says "take cold medication" - there's no cold medication on earth that works. It's all utterly useless.
 
They don't cure the cold, nothing does. We haven't found a cure for the cold, yet. And if it was MDMA, that would be pretty fucking remarkable. But they help with the symptoms. And I don't think placebo is necessarily only what you consciously think will happen, it can be a much more subconscious thing. And it just seems as if you are fishing for positive effects of a drug that simply may not be there.
 
MDMA certainly alleviates the symptoms more than any cold medication ever could. Plus creating euphoria which is extremely good for you.

I'm not touting it as a cure, just saying that this idea that "it damages your immune system" is nonsense. It might damage your immune system if you take it 2 or 3 times a day every day for several years.
 
Pretty contradictory to your first post in this thread (and the title of the thread), but I see where you're coming from.

The idea that it damages your immune system is definitely arguable, I don't think there have been any realistic studies on that, nor have I witnessed any evidence of it.

But saying "I often take E when I've got a bad cold and it usually cures the cold by the next day" is implying that you ARE touting it as a cure
 
You've got me there glassy, I've been trying to be all measured in my responses in these last few posts.

I was wrong to use the word "cure" as I don't think MDMA kills the cold virus, I just think it alleviates the symptoms to such an extent that it's as good as a cure.

Taking E once every 6 months while sat at home in a comfy environment damages your immune system? I don't think you'll ever find evidence supporting that.

But I'm sure taking E, staying up all night and dancing with 1500 strangers sneezing and breathing all over could have a negative impact on your immune system.
 
how about this :

ecstasy makes you feel warmer all over your body. the warmth is really intensive. we all now that warm is the opposite of cold. if your body is warm you sweat much more. Is it true that the more you sweat the more viruses (or whatever causes cold) leaves your body ?

If not then who knows :\
 
Glasseyeball said:
They don't cure the cold, nothing does. We haven't found a cure for the cold, yet. And if it was MDMA, that would be pretty fucking remarkable. But they help with the symptoms. And I don't think placebo is necessarily only what you consciously think will happen, it can be a much more subconscious thing. And it just seems as if you are fishing for positive effects of a drug that simply may not be there.
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In my post, I said that I was considering NOT DROPPING because I had a cold. I knew that it would make me even more miserable. It had the OPPOSITE effect. My cold WENT AWAY COMPLETELY. I was amazed because, like I said, I expected it to get worse. This happened to me twice. The second time, I KNEW it was a fluke, and I would definately feel worse this time. Wrong. It happened again. How can this be placebo?? And....If anything, I was fishing for negative effects, NOT positive. I haven't read where anyone has said that MDMA cures a cold, just that it went away. Nobody has said that they had a fever. Taking MDMA with a fever would be ludacris. Nobody has said that MDMA is good for you, either. I only do it every 6 mos. or so because I know it's not. I just happened to be sick two of these times so :p
 
no ismene, you are right. it doesn't damage your immune system. it does however temporarily weaken it while you are on the drug. and if you happen to pick your nose with unwashed hands, put something that isn't steralized into your mouth, or share vicks inhalers, water bottles, and cigarettes with a bunch of people- you are 20x more likely to catch a cold/flu/virus than you would if you hadn't taken ecstasy. take it from me. i just rolled this past saturday inside my apartment at the beach and everyone got sick! we were all sucking on pacifiers (mines kept falling and i kept putting it back in my mouth), we were sharing water bottles and cigarettes. we were not dancing or doing anything crazy. just lying around enjoying the music. and guess what. i now have the flu. 104F degrees fever and swollen throat. my other friend as well and my other friend needs to get her tonsils removed because they are blocking her throat almost entirely!

it is a FACT. ecstasy WILL temporarily weaken your immune system while you are on it. just like most drugs and alcohol. the fact that you get "cured" from a cold/virus/flu while on it is more the exception than it is the rule.
 
i'm currently having a cold and i took a speed pill today and i'm still awake and alert and i think it only helps with runny nose... about mdxx pills I'd say i like to roll when i have a cold because it wears off symptoms during the roll...
 
Ismene said:
as I don't think MDMA kills the cold virus, I just think it alleviates the symptoms to such an extent that it's as good as a cure.

Taking E once every 6 months while sat at home in a comfy environment damages your immune system? I don't think you'll ever find evidence supporting that.

But I'm sure taking E, staying up all night and dancing with 1500 strangers sneezing and breathing all over could have a negative impact on your immune system.
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I tend to agree with all three of these statements however with your first statement here, you would need to take into consideration the bad affects of the mdma..................in my case, no way would it be worth it.
 
miamiroller said:
it is a FACT. ecstasy WILL temporarily weaken your immune system while you are on it. just like most drugs and alcohol.
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Is there any evidence for this miami? I'm almost certain any studies done into immune system damage will have been the usual type - inject astronomical amounts directly into a rats brain every 3 hours for a couple of weeks and then look at it.

I doubt they gave a rat one mild dose of E and then somehow tested it's immune system response. The rationale is to always give thousands of times more than a normal dose and then somehow try and say "This also applies to a normal dose even tho we can never re-create it when we give a normal dose".
 
MazDan said:
I tend to agree with all three of these statements however with your first statement here, you would need to take into consideration the bad affects of the mdma..................in my case, no way would it be worth it.
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I'd only recomend it with top class crystal. Taking some shitty half-ass pill that will have you throwing your guts up after a couple of hours is probably going to do you more harm than good.
 
Interesting to see this thread because I took E while I had a cold, just ignoring the fact that it would probably make it worse, and it actually did make it better, I just assumed I was lucky, but.. wow.. good stuff. :)
 
maybe we should make a list of ppl who got their colds away after taking E, then make some kind of statistics or what :D

me + 3 friends = 4 for the beginning

btw. in my bookmarks the bluelight is "... now with added PLUR" it's peace love unity respect right ?
 
often get a cold/the flu after taking mdma, at least before i started hitting the vit C supplements
 
often get a cold/the flu after taking mdma, at least before i started hitting the vit C supplements
 
MDMA does have some effects on the immune system -- they've done studies in humans as well as animals.

Research conducted over the last 5 years, in both laboratory animals and humans, has demonstrated that MDMA has immunosuppressive actions. Specifically, MDMA suppresses neutrophil phagocytosis, suppresses production of the pro-inflammatory cytokines tumour necrosis factor-α (TNF-α) and interleukin (IL)-1β, and increases production of the endogenous immunosuppressive cytokine (IL-10), thereby promoting an immunosuppressive cytokine phenotype. MDMA also suppresses circulating lymphocyte numbers, with CD4+ T cells being particularly affected, and alters T-cell function as indicated by reduced mitogen-stimulated T-cell proliferation, and a skewing of T-cell cytokine production in a T helper 2 (Th2) direction. For the most part, the aforementioned effects of MDMA are not the result of a direct action of the drug on immune cells, but rather caused by the release of endogenous immunomodulatory substances. Consequently, the physiological mechanisms that are thought to underlie the immunosuppressive effects of MDMA will be discussed. As many of the physiological changes elicited by MDMA closely resemble those induced by acute stress, it is suggested that exposure to MDMA could be regarded as a ‘chemical stressor’ on the immune system. Finally, the potential of MDMA-induced immunosuppression to translate into significant health risks for abusers of the drug will be discussed.
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PubMed Article
 
+2 on the list of colds cured by mdma. I had a really bad cold and had been home for about 3 days taking vitamin c, lots of rest, soup, etc.

I didnt feel any different on the morning of the 4th day but I was bored as hell so I decided to pop the tab I had stashed away and all symptoms were gone by that night. Coincidence? Maybe, but it happened.

Next time I catch a cold ill make a note of rolling that night when its at the peak
 
Seeing as increasing body temperature is a method the body uses itself to fight colds, coud E increasing body temperature give the body a helping hand for a few hours?

Merely a suggestion...

And if you talk about whether E helped/hindered a cold could you also state the circumstances you took it in? It's no use saying "I got a cold after taking E" and not saying "I forgot to mention I stayed up all night dancing covered in sweat surrounded by 1500 strangers sneezing on me all night..."
 
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