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Ecstacy is SO last year: Alcohol is the new drug of the Millennium?

Well whoever said drug taking is "on a backslide with the community at large" isn't living on the same planet as me.

(That's planet Earth, BTW ;) )

Maybe for the ppl who keep up with the "Wot's Hot" and "Wot's Not" columns in their local paper, ecstacy isn't as in as it was back in 2000 or whenever.
But from what I've seen, more ppl outside the dance music scene (pub-goers etc.) seem to be taking more ecstacy and speed these days, as well as drinking.
I think maybe the dance scene hit a peak of popularity a few years ago, but the drugs didn't go away just because the clubs died.

I think the person who made that statement thinks that the world revolves around them and their little social circle.
 
candyflip said:
Is it better to grab an hour of intelligent conversation from someone in a bar before they get too drunk at the start of a night, than to have to wait all night and most of the next day for a recovery to find someone that can string two words together, once they come down?
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I've had intelligent conversation on E. Granted I can't remember it sometimes but you get that...
 
Hello GhOst!!... looking forward to meeting you, one of these decades... ;)

Let's progress this discussion in another vein then: is it possible that as dance music became more commercialised in the last 5 years and became almost(?) mainstream, drug use (specifically ecstasy use) did too? And if that proposition is truthful and ecstasy use was associated with the newly fashionable rise of dance music, which is perhaps on the slide commercially now, then so to would that associated ecstasy use be seen as no longer fashionable or as 'in use'? Perhaps that's what the mainstream media is trying to refer to: they see both scenes as being passing fads now, with no hope of becoming a mainstream trend? In other words, the 'hip factor' is gone and now it's simply becoming a marginal thing? In marketing terms, this trend has peaked. ;)

My recent experience is quite different, punch e punch. More people outside the dance music scene (pub-goers etc.) that I see have no more interest or use of ecstacy than they did before. The overriding feeling I get is that the rise of ecstacy has peaked and that it's now seen as passe. People are always curious of course, but they are less curious than perhaps they would have been had E risen to be seen as the new Soma, or some such thing. Generally, I don't see a lot of clamouring to get hold of E from new users. They see it as about the same as any other drug they could try. The shine seems to have gone off the product, so to speak?
 
Fuck trends, drink wat u want, snort what u want ....

I personally prefer chemical enhancements for a top night out (never been a drinker really) but i have also noticed a trend of drunkin hoons round the place at raves ... got nothing against ppl that drink go for it i say .... but personally its the chemmies that win me over for a good night out eh ...
 
I think it's very hard to make any objective statement about something like this when you spend your life "inside" the scene, so to speak. When a majority of your friends are regular drug-takers or have taken drugs before in their lives, or if you spend most of your time around clubs/parties where the consumption of drugs is part of the culture.

I haven't noticed less newbies in the last few months, nor have I noticed any decline in interest from those who have never taken it before.

I think in some circles though there is a backlash against the whole 'gacked-out-candy-raver' stereotype. I've noticed there's now a greater stigma attached to over-consumption of designer drugs, the general consensus of this backlash being: "You're not cool just cause you're on drugs, in fact, if you're on too much, you're just a an e-tard that no one wants to be around". Or maybe that's just a personal reaction to me... haha =D

Also, you have to keep in mind, that while a majority of ecstacy use is associated with the electronic music scene, there are plenty of exceptions to this rule; people who take pills and have never been to a rave, drop at pubs or rock concerts (like KISS!!! ;))
 
hoptis said:
Also, you have to keep in mind, that while a majority of ecstacy use is associated with the electronic music scene, there are plenty of exceptions to this rule; people who take pills and have never been to a rave, drop at pubs or rock concerts (like KISS!!! ;))
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Yes, or Ben Harper, or Coldplay....
 
What loony said, that's why i don't have 1,4B that much! I'd say that there are more people than ever before mixing alcohol and illicits, just cause they're sitting there with a beer doesn't mean they haven't dropped
beer is the cheese, illicits are the hundreds and thousands on top of the cheese cake
 
meh they are both good
but alcohol will always be society`s drink
we need more flavoured sake
 
I think that drug education is improving over time, but I'm not quite sure how this relates to changing consumption habits. As Arnold Schwarzenneger said once, if he knew what he knew about steroids now when he was younger, then he would have taken more of them back then
 
"There's nothing wrong with Drink" ----some wise man whose name I either forgot or never knew because it came in a state of immense inebriation.

Alcamahol has been around for ages and is somewhat cross cultural. People across a huge spectrum of life, from different ethnicity and culture culture to subcultures, across socio-economic gaps, geographic location, temporal disposition, all consume alcohol. It is by far the most widely consensual poison of choice amongst celebrants of life, community and shared jubilance.

Catering to the lowest common denominator as far as altered states go, the conveinience of its solicitation perpetuates its unyielding presence in our ever-changing, multi-faceted and oh-so transient little lives.

Its relatively low potential for removal from reality to volume ratio makes it the ideal choice for extended consumption. Of course consuming huge amounts of chocolates is probably an even more enjoyable experience as the Aztecs have found out but most people cannot afford, in more than one way, luxuries of that level.

Over the centuries, we have become so accustomed to the effects of alcohol on our nervous system, mental and physical functions, that to many, it is no longer enough and hence we seek out other methods of getting fucked up. Consequently, some of us have experimented with various forms of wilfully induced alterations in our states of being. Apropos, some thrive in or are inexorably drawn into these new states, some appreciate and enjoy them but retain a preference or find comfort in older more established states, and others reject, to varying degrees, altered states altogether.

So the crux of the issue is, how do you think you fit in the puzzle? Where do you think you are in the scheme of things?

Meanwhile, in the spirit of things, I would like to propose a virtual toast, pick up whatever it is you are drinking/smoking/popping/plugging/snorting, to your health, fuck this shit and let's get high!=D
 
i'd say that drugs like ecstacy etc r becoming more popular. theyll never be 'unfashionable' as long as there r still ppl being introduced to them. and thats never going to end. everyone has preferences, and some just love getting wasted in general. its not something u can predict or categorize at all.
i personally like drugs that "enhance ur state of being" ie. dont get u so stupidly munted u dont have any control over wat ur doing. hence, i dont like alcohol. sometimes i find myself falling into elitism...especially cos i work in a bar and i see the worst of ppl. but then again, there r those that get so trashy on the illegal stuff too.
anyway...off the tangents...ppl like to get munted and how they go about it will always vary and there will always be a demand for any sort of drug whether illicit or not.
 
sex and drugs and rock and rave
lets get smashed and misbehave
on speed and weed and little e's
lets get fucked and talk to trees
lifes a trip and then you die
so fuck em all
and lets get high
 
I think seeing ecstasy use raised so dramatically over the last few years, there are more people that no longer take it and feel it is so last year. That being said, for many people it is now, they are just beginning the honeymoon. With more people falling out of love with mdma there is a greater impact on culture as more people comprise a group that believes it is so last year, but its just that more people have experienced it and are simply following the journey that eventually leads them back to alcohol.
 
Cowboy Mac said:
I think seeing ecstasy use raised so dramatically over the last few years, there are more people that no longer take it and feel it is so last year. That being said, for many people it is now, they are just beginning the honeymoon. With more people falling out of love with mdma there is a greater impact on culture as more people comprise a group that believes it is so last year, but its just that more people have experienced it and are simply following the journey that eventually leads them back to alcohol.
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All true, CM, but so it is that LESS people are now trying E and so less are influencing the popular belief that E is in widespread use. Truely, the 'E' fad has peaked..now it is destined for no more fame in history than the Pet Rock, or the fluffy woollen gator.

Bring out the next drug...we grow ever more tired of the present offerings, Lord!
 
I believe NDARC or some other research organisation will release 2003 findings on ecstasy use soon. In previous studies it has been found ecstasy use has been increasing, and I dont think this year will be any different. In fact I think MDMA will be the new LSD and continue to be popular for decades, regardless of its limited use cycle due to tolerance.
 
eh coke, acid etc had massive surges of popularity in the past, but they haven't died like the PET ROCK!!! 8) i dont think you can say mdxx is dying like *that*!

just because its not shiny and new anymore, and is not being fussed over by oh-so-fashionable types doesnt make it dead. it just makes it ordinary, like acid and speed.

there's an awful lot of not very fashionable people out there, totally unaware that ecstasy is "so passe". i suspect they just think it's a lot of fun, and to the best of my knowledge are still taking it in abundance.
 
My pet rock does not appreciate the cut of this jive. He may be of inert igneous constitution, but the little fucker can go for the throat if provoked. You better watch your step, Mr. Candyflip...
 
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