If your taking a tiny amount from a position of being H free for two weeks then the wd's would be minimal if you were taking .2 say or more everyday from the same position then you would feel the wd's alot stronger. BUT if you have been on it for a long time and you even manage to taper down to say .1 a day the wd's will still be awful and full blown.
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Tolerance is a fucker, I get the same 4- 5 days with benzo's especially. I have to be so careful with the etizolams now as they are so easy to get. Even if i get myself to a full state of normality before indulging again, it is literally 4 or 5 days before stopping will leave me with a good dose of the shakes. That would have never happened 10 years ago when i started doing that stuff. I never realised what kind of honeymoon period there was back then. Had i known i would have calmed it down a bit just to save a little for later ie. now.
i against i
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it really does seem pretty hard, maybe it's just a matter of time, to get withdrawals that would make me afraid of not having any opiates. i've been using, 16 months now, obviously not everyday all that time but relatively enough that i spent all my spare money on it, was IVing etc etc, then kind of unintentionally slowed down (due to being out of money) and kinda tapered with poppy tea, temegesic, oxy, immodium and sleeping pills and now it's day 4 of cold turkey after say a month of everyday and it's not been pleasant but nothing to get in a tizz about. but i could put away a gram a day (of crappy h) if i wasn't conserving it. is this typical or not? feels like if i pick up IVing again unlimited for say a month without anything else to slow down on it'd be bad.
my ex has been using 4 years (but only sniffed) and just went cold turkey and rode a bike like 500 miles on a two week holiday, i couldn't do that during withdrawing, but still, what going on.
I against I, sounds to me like you are a "smart addict", or a "success story" in the context of addiction (i dont mean any offense by that term - i would describe myself as an addict, albeit a fairly controlled one like yourself where for me atleast the benefits of drugs far outweigh the negstives).Anyway, sounds like you got a good intuitive sense of how far you can push it before it gets out of control. And the variety of drugs you use for your tapers is excellent. The more variety, the harder it is for the liver and brain to predict which enzymes to overproduce etc.
On a separate note: 500 miles on a CT. What the fuck? I can barely even ride a bike when i got DTs. The last person i saw withdraw off heroin just waited it out for sleepless days of the sweats and the shakes before attempting to drive home to wherever. She rolled it on the freeway! She was fine though so its more a funny story.
On a separate note: 500 miles on a CT. What the fuck? I can barely even ride a bike when i got DTs. The last person i saw withdraw off heroin just waited it out for sleepless days of the sweats and the shakes before attempting to drive home to wherever. She rolled it on the freeway! She was fine though so its more a funny story.
i against i
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not necessarily smart, just lucky due to circumstance. moving back to london in a couple weeks to finish my degree (2 year break) which i'm excited about, but not the increased availiability/student loan/running into people so could get fucked. planning to stick to weed, mdma and drum n bass with the occaisional speed injection (sniffing/bombing the uk "speed" does nothing for me) to satisfy seeing the red flower. but that may go out the window.
Ha everyone needs a bit of luck now and again. "Smart addict" is a term i got from a Hunter S Thompson documentary, where one of his ex bosses at Rolling Stone was using it to describe him. I like to use it get me out of situations "Swarm you're a junky" "no I'm not, i'm a smart addict". This often creates enough of window to either change conersation topics or even just do one.
l've always held that drugs are great but addiction sucks, so addiction/tolerance/withdrawals etc.. constitute the main bulk of my own personal drug strategy, the positives tend to speak for themselves. Age / time of using is definitely a factor though, but a bit of a mixed bag. i think it was crankinit who was talking about the 4/5 day rule of thumb - a definite drawback as you get older. On the other hand, increased experience tends to help you slow the train before it starts to go off the rails. Best of luck with your studies.
l've always held that drugs are great but addiction sucks, so addiction/tolerance/withdrawals etc.. constitute the main bulk of my own personal drug strategy, the positives tend to speak for themselves. Age / time of using is definitely a factor though, but a bit of a mixed bag. i think it was crankinit who was talking about the 4/5 day rule of thumb - a definite drawback as you get older. On the other hand, increased experience tends to help you slow the train before it starts to go off the rails. Best of luck with your studies.
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breakcorefiend
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This isn't strictly H but an opiod all the same, fucking Oxycodone.
Developing a nasty habit for the stuff, need a solid taper plan so i can go back to using once a month or so and actually enjoy it! anyone else had problems with this one?
Developing a nasty habit for the stuff, need a solid taper plan so i can go back to using once a month or so and actually enjoy it! anyone else had problems with this one?
I've heard that clandestinely produced heroin generally isn't acetylated the same way as pharm grade.
Apparently clandestine H generally contains 3-monoacetylmorphine and 6-monoacetylmorphine as well as diamorph.
Thats right infact mexican tar has so much 6MAM its not strictly speaking heroin but 6MAM packs a hell of a punch - good tar is easily as good as any heroin i have had but then i have only ever had really good tar not that icky shit cut with fuck knows what that passes as tar
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Only ever had tar the once all the years I was using but it was decent stuff that compared very favourably to the base we had kicking about at the time. Heroin's a prodrug and 6-MAM ( along with the inactive 3-MAM ) is the first thing it breaks down to. Hitting 6-MAM straight up cuts the need for the hydrolysis stage from the Heroin metabolisation process, giving you a more immediate hit.
i did't really wanna be first to respond to this as my experience with the heavier opiates is sparse to say the least. Just so this one doesn't get lost i thought i'd just write something as general as possible. Do you know how much you're using exactly? A drug diary was my best friend a few years back as i attempted to straighten out my tramadol addiction (ofcourse tram withdrawals are nothing compared to oxys but theres still universal components to tolerance and withdrawal, especially within th same drug class). All i'll say for now is that while it is necessary to record daily usage, the weekly total is what i focused on. First, tolerance is a long term thing anyway amd second, focusing on weekly totals means you wont get dejected and demotivated over the inevitable slip up (heavy night) during the week. Best of luck.
Where Wolf?
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I empathise with the above completely. Though I used pharm opiates daily for a while, with benzos, I wasable to taper off, take a break and then use opiates occasionally without slipping back into addiction. Occasional use (there have been studies on this, think maybe on the hydrocodone wiki page) of opiates can be very helpful in mild depression and dysthymia. I generally use DHC or morphine, but tonight, for the first time in a year, got hold of some brown: and slowly starting to chase my way through a few bags has zapped my depression into silence, like sumatripan blasting a migraine.
The trick, of course, is to keep it occasional - and this is my third opi session this week (high dose dhc, then msts),so I'm going to have to lay off for a while and just live with the anxiety and depression that are both a permanent conditon for me, and currently aggravated by tapering off diaz. But on decent H, I just don't give a fuck - nothing can touch me, and nothing is real. I fully intend to keep on chipping now and then: I'm surprised how much fun I'm having with these lines, I've barely smoked .2, and have nodded a little already. Thought I preferred oxy and morph to brown, but now I realise that the last few times I used I just got very low-quality brown. From now on, it'll be occasional high dose DHC and brown. And weirdly, I don't seem to have much difficulty taking long breaks. Of course, i wouldn't advise anyone to start using - andwill probably lose control and up with a habit again at some point..but every time that's happened it's pulled me up sharp, and I've quit and taken long breaks before it got too serious. Avoiding needles probably helps.
I do wish we had snortable brown, here. I'm clumsy, and never really mastered chasing the dragon, while plugging doesn't appeal (and I'd probably mess it up), and needles are a line I won't cross - again, I'd probably fuck up and shoot straight into an artery.
Does anyone else find caffeine a mild potentiator for H?
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pinkpapaver
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yeh i think i do, (caffeine and h) less paranoia and cost than crack. wakes you up so you feel the warmth and the love without nodding out. hmmmmmmmmmm .... i have to get out of the daily and into the weekly or twice weekly. this week i discovered how nice it is to save gear till the morning and not come to the end of the day feeling sweaty and panicked. (as i do with green goblin juice)
BlindHelperMonkey
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has anyone ever discovered the reason why, it takes a month or so of daily usage to get your innaugural habit, yet you can be clean for years.. have a couple day binge - and be rattling like a good'un the next morning.. muscle memory or something?
i think the whole thing is much more complex than any of us imagine. i know of people who've moved abroad, run out of gear, not felt too bad for weeks.. yet start withdrawing again as soon as the plane touches down in blighty. it opens ones eyes to the vagueries of the mind i suppose
also a doctor once told me tolerance is a minimal factor when it comes to getting high. its actually more to do with your individual metabolism. i am unfortunately one of the unlucky few for whom heroin just aint that effective, coupled with an addictive personality, poor veins and penchant for self-loathing you can say i have a somewhat love/hate relationship with the stuff. and yes, ritual is everything
i think the whole thing is much more complex than any of us imagine. i know of people who've moved abroad, run out of gear, not felt too bad for weeks.. yet start withdrawing again as soon as the plane touches down in blighty. it opens ones eyes to the vagueries of the mind i suppose
also a doctor once told me tolerance is a minimal factor when it comes to getting high. its actually more to do with your individual metabolism. i am unfortunately one of the unlucky few for whom heroin just aint that effective, coupled with an addictive personality, poor veins and penchant for self-loathing you can say i have a somewhat love/hate relationship with the stuff. and yes, ritual is everything
All brown is cut with caffeine alot of the time at source - because it has a lowewr boiling point ti H it allows it to run alot better on the foil its normally cut 20-30%
pinkpapaver
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so if addict were pxed heroin instead of methadone, it could be cut with caffeine...the powers would perfer to do that too...i would love a little of the good stuff. but only when ive got rid of the habit
Interesting stuff blondin. Something else i was curious about and figured you could help me on is heroin's vinegar smell. That's just what H right smells like right, and not some left over ethanoic acid or something. May sound like a dumb question, however we used to get it off the same guy that would sell us crystal meth that stunk of gasoline so who knows what was going on. My mate who used to shoot the crystal swore he could taste the gaseline almost instantly. I'm sure if thats funny or not but we thought it was - can't be much different to breathing it in anyway. Real bunch of cowboys in on that one though for sure.
the only heroin that ive haqd that had a vinegre smell was tar and thats because they use acetic acid and not acetic anhydride when making the stuff - much worse for your veins but boils down with water with out needing to add an acid.
In holland where they have heroin clinics they mix the gear with 30% caffeine as most junkies smoke their gear.
In holland where they have heroin clinics they mix the gear with 30% caffeine as most junkies smoke their gear.