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[ʔalˤˈlˤɑː]) is the Arabic word for God (literally "the God", as the initial "Al-" is the definite article).[1][2][3] It is used mainly by Muslims,[4] Arab Christians, and often, albeit not exclusively, by Bahá'ís, Arabic-speakers, Indonesian, Malaysian and Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.[5][6][7]


Source= wiki.. I'm knackered too Shamster. I keep going to sleep for an hour, dreaming momentous dreams then waking up and realising its just an hour later.

I'll read a bit more tomrorrow I would be surprised if Allah is also God for the Jews... but i'm prepared to accept i'm wrong. Islam isn't my strong point.


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Erm... you do realise that that quote agrees with me that "Allah" is the Arabic word for the Christian god dontcha? Used by Muslims, Arab Christians and Mizrahi Jews - cos they're all worshipping the same god. Is very clear from even basic understanding of the three religions. The difference is in the scriptures each version of the religion accepts as being valid is all. It's all the same god y'all worship. The various names for the Christian god mostly also translate as "god" or "lord" or some such variation. They're not names in the sense that "Jess" is a name - they're titles. The Christian god is never really named as such in the Bible or other texts. Its name is supposed to contain every letter and be unpronoucable - cos if anyone ever says it the world will instanly end. Or some such nonsense anyway ;)

"Al-lah" = "The God" = "Jah" = "Jehovah" = "Yah" = "Weh" = "Yahweh" = loads of other variants. Originally seperate gods, glommed together to make one ubergod. With loads of names.

That aside, nighty <3
 
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Yeah we touched on the Yah= Weh.. different Gods the other day... KInda makes sense because Elohim is plural but do you mind if I research it for my self?
I'm not being proud by the way I just genuinely dont think allah is used for God by Jews or Christians. So I humbly ask for the time for do some reading me self.


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raas_2012 said:
Of course there's no proof of God. Are you forgetting why we are meant to be here? A choice of good and evil, a choice to ignore God. These are only made a reality by making God unprovable on a physical basis. If we could prove God, and the bible said the world was created 4.5 billion years ago, then the whole world would HAVE to be Christian and behave.

If Hell is to exist, our evil must be exposed... and if evil is to be exposed on this planet, God must appear unprovable.
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I'm sorry, but I'm definitely not having that. God has to be unprovable? So when did this rule kick in? Because, if your wee book is to be believed, that certainly wasn't the case, oh say about... 2000 years ago. Did they only implement this rule when it became possible to record the evidence beyond writing it down?

You talk some shite btw haha.
 
parttime crackhead said:
You talk some shite btw haha.
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^ heres a question a 10 year old asked that I thought was quite fitting to you.

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101024044432AAZO0pp

when you've finished your lines do an essay just like his.

Who the fuck are you to go around saying whether or not what people believe is shit and belitteling their beliefs? Believe what you want by all means but I'm sick of you asserting your opinion in such a arrogantly cuntish fashion.
 
That last comment was nothing to do with his religious beliefs really It was simply a comment on the "god has to be unprovable" nonsense. I stand by what I said. That was a load of shite. If it wasn't then what was the score with Jesus performing miracles?

You're sick of the way I assert my opinion? Boo hoo. I don't respect the opinion of people who believe in magic sky men & I never will.

Would you respect my opinion if I said I truly believe my goldfish is the reincarnation of Jesus, he has come to save us all. He can talk & fly & grow legs & walk but not when I'm pointing a camera at him? Because that's just as fucking idiotic as believing in god. In my humble opinion of course =D
 
I'm well aware of what it means. What I meant was that I don't respect other people's opinions when they are utterly ridiculous.

If someone's opinion was that pigs can fly, I wouldn't respect that opinion. It's not the same as having an opinion on whether a piece of art is good or not.

Of course there's a right or wrong. Basically what this boils down to is "Do gods exist?". That is a question that has a right or wrong answer, it's just that we can't prove it one way or another (because it's impossible to 100% prove the non-existence of something ;)).
 
In my opinion giraffes are the leaders of the free world.


Religion gets too much protection. People can spout utterly ludicrous things, that would normally be universally mocked, but if that's backed up by "It's my religion" then we have to respect it? Fuck that.

I give no more respect to someone's opinion that god is real than I do to someone's opinion that Justin Beiber makes good music.
 
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I give no more respect to someone's opinion that god is real than I do to someone's opinion that Justin Beiber makes good music.
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I gathered.

You should get out of your little corner of Glasgow for a while, go expand your horizons. You have to look at faith and beliefs and human interaction on a global level. You called me old in another thread which suggests you're young. Why don't you travel, see the world and get a few more years under your belt and then come and revisit this thread.

Or just go to thailand with Spade and piss on some shrines :)
 
JessHalo said:
Yeah we touched on the Yah= Weh.. different Gods the other day... KInda makes sense because Elohim is plural but do you mind if I research it for my self?
I'm not being proud by the way I just genuinely dont think allah is used for God by Jews or Christians. So I humbly ask for the time for do some reading me self.
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Absolutely do your own research. Jess. I wouldn't expect you to just take my word for it. I've been kinda lazy in rustling up sources so haven't been overly helpful anyway 8)

EDIT: A site I like and may (or may not) be of some help and/or interest to you is infidels.org. Don't let the name put you off too much. Is just on online library of books, essays and articles on the topics of religion, atheism, philosophy and the like. Obviously it specialises in books/articles aimed at the more secular-types but there's plenty of fascinating stuff to check through. Mostly "proper" (but out of copywrite) books that can alse be found at any good library. With extra sources listed where appropriate. Some genuinely fascinating reads in there whatever one's opinion is. Am also giving away some of me best arguments too by letting the cat out the bag so feel free to use and abuse them as you please ;)

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Its a belief. Theres no right or wrong no matter how much you think you're right.
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How very postmodern of you ;)

But PTCH does have a valid point: There is a right or wrong on a matter of basic fact. Proving which is right or wrong is a whole other matter but some kinda supporting evidence shouldn't be so much of a problem. I agree that people have the right to believe anything they want and to say anything they want and everybody is due a basic level of respect as a fellow wo/man. That certainly doesn't mean that all beliefs have to be afforded such respect. Some beliefs are simply ridiculous or harmful (not suggesting that applies to anybody here, mind) and there's nothing wrong with saying so. I'd say it's much more about how you go about it - always respect the person, but not necessarily the belief.

Also, I have to agree with PTCH again on the "god has to be unprovable" stuff. Definitely appears to have been a sharp policy change in that area in more or less all religions. These god characters are constantly showing up and intervening directly, doing all kindsa whizzbang superkewl stuff to impress the locals at one stage - for hundreds if not thousands of years in some cases. Then as soon as we get to a stage in history where finding proper evidence becomes more feasible all that stuff just stops. Funny that. Almost as if... well... it was all just mythology and fable really ;)

One of the Biblical tales I find most amusing for such things is the Commandments episode. Here are this bunch of wandering ex-slaves being led about a desert for decades by a pillar of fire and a pillar of smoke that feeds them daily and performed some really rather impressive miraculous stuff to free them in the first place. The human side of their leadership goes off to talk to the boss for a bit and comes back to find they've melted down several tonnes of gold they've apparently been lugging about all this time to make a calf and started worshipping it. What's the calf ever done for them? How much proof of existence did calf-god ever provide? Bleedin' ingrates, eh? :D
 
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Your problem is, PTCH, you seem to have completely misunderstood the point I was making. You have no interest in discussing something you disagree with, or don't see sense in. In your own arrogance you think you know so much better that the opinion can be slated as "a load of shite". It's a very immature response.

Yeah sure, saying mircales don't occur when they're written in the bible would be pretty damn stupid. Just a shame I was never saying that at all.




parttime_crackhead said:
That last comment was nothing to do with his religious beliefs really It was simply a comment on the "god has to be unprovable" nonsense. I stand by what I said. That was a load of shite. If it wasn't then what was the score with Jesus performing miracles?
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Of course we can't prove God. It's common sense, else we'd have no atheists in this world. You yourself would be a believer, if we could prove God, wouldn't you?

Never said miracles or divine intervention doesn't occur. I've always been a believer in divine intervention and miracles.

Just that these miracles do not become "proof of God" to everyone else. They become personal experiences which can be believed or disbelieved. And this still leaves God as "unprovable" to the rest of the world, as I was saying in my original post.

I'm just reasserting the Christian belief that God deliberately made his non-existance appear a possibility, and doing this has a purpose, that it exposes more evil in humans... which leads to the concept of hell.


Atheists will disbelieve in God. Theists will believe think God deliberately made the world look as if it may have no creator, for philosophical reasons.

I'm just stating an obvious theological point, applicable to the discussion.
 
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But what is the point of setting up such a weird, flawed and unfair system, Raas? Why prove your existence to some and not to others? Why set up a system that makes it so easy to "fail" - ie to notice there's not only no evidence of any deities but also to provide abundant evidence that such beings are highly unlikely to exist and make the various instruction manuals provided demonstrably untrue for the most part? And then punish those who see all this and reach the rather inevitible conclusion that none of it is real by torturing them for all eternity? It's utterly perverse and so very obviously the product of simplistic human black and white thinking. I could come up with a better system I'm sure. So could you.

And none of what you said explains why this god was so free and easy with providing not just highly dubious anecdotal tales of miracles and interventions but absolutely undeniable proof of its existence in the past and then nothing since. Also, there are plenty of Biblical examples where people supposedly know for a fact that this god exists and still choose to disobey him or worship some other god so the whole basis of your argument is flawed. If the god of the Bible came to me right now face-to-face and performed an ubermiracle I'd still not worship or respect him if he really did do all that horrendous stuff mentioned in the Bible cos he's clearly a scumbag if that's the case. I'd believe, but not worship. He'd certainly have some serious explaining to do at the very least :D
 
Shambles said:
I agree that people have the right to believe anything they want and to say anything they want and everybody is due a basic level of respect as a fellow wo/man. That certainly doesn't mean that all beliefs have to be afforded such respect. Some beliefs are simply ridiculous or harmful (not suggesting that applies to anybody here, mind) and there's nothing wrong with saying so. I'd say it's much more about how you go about it - always respect the person, but not necessarily the belief.
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Thats what i was trying to say dammit :D lol

I thought the whole point about the doubt over whether god exists is FAITH. As in blind faith. I think I heard somewhere even mother theresa had a crisis of faith over her last 10 years or so as to whether anything exists or not and she was a mutha fuckin nun. I bet the pope doesn't believe sometimes. For all we know he doesn't believe at all =D i think theres something in the bible about doubting thomas isn't there, didnt believe it was jesus risen from the dead until he saw the nail holes for himself. So the bibles got it pretty much sewn up, all bases covered ;)
 
Mother Theresa had very good reason to doubt her faith. She was a vicious, corrupt nutjob responsible for horrendous suffering. No wonder she's being fast-tracked to sainthood ;)

Ya. Doubting Thomas seems to be one of the more sane Biblical characters. If you saw a walking corpse would you not want a bit of evidence to show it really was a real thing and not some joker putting you on? I would. Although there were apparently plenty about at the time. All the other folk that climbed out their graves and started roaming around Jerusalem tend to not get as much of a mention these days though. Can't imagine why.

Bible certainly does seem to cover many angles. Is why more or less anything can be supported with a few choice quotes. Even diametrically opposed views. Handy that. Summat for everyone... as long as they're rather selective with their reading of it ;)
 
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Yeah, I heard something about mother theresa but didn't really look into it.

I can't really get my head round the whole subject of faith tbh. I babysat for someone the other day who has no faith what so ever but did a masters in theology at Oxford. I was looking at his bookcase and the extent and depth of just about 3 shelves was more knowledge then I've put in my head in the last 35 years. I guess all studies are limitless but this one seems particularly so.
 
I find people who lack faith can often be the most interested and knowledgable on the subject. I suspect it comes down to wanting to be very sure of your position given the potential consequences promised/threatened by most religions. That and the fact it means you're going against thousands of years of countless religious beliefs so want to know (as best anybody can) that the majority really are wrong on this one. And they are ;)

Hell's Angel: Mother Theresa. Ya, it's Christopher Hitchens so some of the religious minded ain't gonna like it on principle... but everything he says can be checked by anyone cos it's all a matter of public record. She really was that bad :\
 
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