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EADD Theology Megathread - Book II - Exodus

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Sure; Numbers 31:7 - 18

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Ok so it doesn't directly say moses raped virgins but come on..

Raping female captives was the norm for Gods army

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
 
Hmm it doesn't say that but i can see why you'd think that.

Rape would be sinful because its sex outside of marriage. It would be polluting to the army in other words.

Check this site out (if you haven't already). It really does give a lot of reasonable answers.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-rape.html

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Re 'ave satanas' wake up Sam please. :)
 
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That link leads me to "What does the bible say about rape" which then uses a few verses that say that rape is wrong..

It fails to address the passages such as the ones in which I posted as well as

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.

(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

As usual the bible contradicts itself enough times that Christians are able to cherry pick parts out that suit what they want it to teach.
 
Lol i came back in specifically to correct this post. 'Polluting' wasn't mispelt as 'ppoluting' when i wrote it this morning.

Oh and my password is basically 'fuxune'.. slightly different. Class!!

Nursery class.
 
That link leads me to "What does the bible say about rape" which then uses a few verses that say that rape is wrong..

It fails to address the passages such as the ones in which I posted as well as



As usual the bible contradicts itself enough times that Christians are able to cherry pick parts out that suit what they want it to teach.

I'm not teaching right now.

Did you mean the site? To be honest i haven't searched it thoroughly enough to make any judgements like that.

I'm not judging.


...anyway. This is going round in my head today so really want to pass it on if thats ok.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians

If you change that i'll get yer after skool!:/ :X
 
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Seriously. Please be careful who you give your worship to SammyG.

I've seen low. You don't want to go there.. I don't want you to.*

That idolatry thing in the bible is more warning than threat. I know its repeating but be careful, reconsider stuff.
 
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I appreciate your concern, NE, and thank you.

The Forces of Evil have been pretty good to me so far though, I must say. And other than teenage girls (of course), I can find little else worthy of my worship.
 
The one who went low for you.

Sorry if that sounds clichefied or whatever... its just me :D

And np to the thankyou. You are loved in spite of the testy shite.


Ed: This was actually not meant vainly although it could be read that way should you look at it in a certain light. I mean Jesus Christ.
 
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I wouldn't kick an ass..i'd get my husband to do it.

In seriousness can i ponder that before i commit to speaking for God on biblical issues?

That includes the 'taking of virgins for selves' question that i didn't try to wriggle out of answering. I just in all honesty wouldn't know how to answer. Would you give it a go? Thats if you have understanding or prophetic insight that is. Perhaps we could have a look at the Hebrew. Maybe soul ties.?? Women being thought of as the land???

I don't know. But i know He's good and wise and there is and will be an answer.. and He'll provide it if its what He wants to do...and that is actually the way it is. He's God.

*visions of a zombie germaine greer turning in a grave*

8-0 arghhh
 
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(advance apology for 3meopcp blather-may edit later)
Raas: So you didn't disagree that christianity was edited and mainstreamed by constantine/nicea, just that it was designed as a system of control (i only said it could be thought of that way; maybe it could just become a system of control through ).

My feelings on christianity (fwiw): when i imagine what i might think if i wanted to be a christian, i'd definitely want to focus in on the most authentic stuff from before rome got hold of it and discard the later stuff which is mostly dodgy imho. There's some core stuff which i'd stick to (do unto others..., love your enemy, turn the other cheek, maybe even the vague concept of heaven (but more like nirvana (or talking heads' version)); the rest is surely just bullshit that's accrued over years due to the various special interests (eg roman and medieval european authorities), and is too contradictory and simplistic to bother with.

However, what you're left with if you do this is pretty much the same as all other religions when you do the same thing with them (as shown in Huxley's Perennial Philosophy or Karen Armstrong's Great Transformation). You then see how similar all these religions actually are at their heart - eg the golden rule (do unto others as you would have them do to you/do as you would be done by) pops up in various religions independently (cos it's like common sense i suppose), though confucious is first i gather; and Rabbi Hillell (a pharisee!) stated it some time before jesus if you want to get all competitive about it.

My main problem with christianity is the ridiculous exclusivity it sometimes has. "Only through jesus will you find heaven" excludes an awful lot of very nice people (not to mention extra-terrestrials) from this "heaven" and to say that if you weren't lucky enough to have found the 'word' you're doomed just seems nasty and cruel - a bit of a medieval holdover. A religion claiming to be a contender for explaining reality with the sophisticated philosopies and cosmologies that are around (eg marmalde's or colt dan's above posts) using that sort of materialistic 'only through jesus' criteria in the infinite universe we're in is absurd to say the least; leave out or modify that specific exclusivity, and the christian metaphysics can be a lot more convincing and interesting as a cosmology i'd suggest (eg look at teillhard de chardin/omega point).

imho - Christianity should get some humility and just say: you can find heaven through faith in jesus, but as long as you're following some basic rules of niceness (do unto others yada yada), you may also find it through faith in krishna...or maybe through buddha, or LSD, or PCP, or science, or whatever, - if you were like that as a religion (or a person), you'd find people wouldn't mind having you round so much ;)

As for what you were saying about islam - you can't judge the depth of their religion by some random on the interweb surely? (there's some sort of irony there somewhere). Alongside the mainstream, Islam has rich mystical and metaphysical traditions in some ways more sophisticated than those of western christianity. For wisdom, have a look at some of the Sufi literature for instance (mulla nasrudin)


Extra-terristrials? WTF? I don't think it's fair to blaim the religion for not accommodating to aliens we don't even know exist! :? The religion is philosophical, not a scientific journal on metaphysics. It is issues of good and evil which are important to us and give reason to our existence on this planet, and this is what the book fully addresses.



As it happens; the religion and bible DOES consider those who have not learnt about Jesus:~


Jesus is a real entity. Basically he's running the show for the good guys, while Mr Satan is commanding the bad guys. Basic theology, yah? You, as a spiritual person can realistically adopt either spirit.

Jesus is a spirit of peace, love and righteousness. It is only by adopting this spirit that you can find heaven.

If you've adopted the spirit, but haven't understood it as "Jesus" because your life hasn't allowed you to learn about him, you can still get in:

Romans 2:12-15 said:
“For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel

"Their thoughts ultimately accusing them"
 
Ricko, your Jesus fesus page made me laugh. It reminded me of when the daily mail demonise labour politicians, with the whole selective picture process of the pope.

Good effort on the site nonetheless. It' is way too big to analyse in here, i'll PM you a few thoughts in the near future.

For those who missed it, Ricko's atheist site: http://oscarlid.wix.com/jesus
 
Christianity, a lot of the time, preaches things such as "FEEL the lord Jesus, let him fill you with LOVE".. as if he is something you can feel, as if he is interacting with you.. And as I have said many times before I could probably put the feeling of Jesus through a believer in such a way "it could have only been Jesus christ himself" that knocks them off their feet. Welcome to the mind tricks of the human brain.

Hmmmm. I remember, back in the day, I always used to feel that "love of God" on MDMA. Every time I'd take it, I'd have a really close feeling to God. Obviously it's the release of serotonin fooling me, so I really relate to what you're saying here.

Spookily enough, my first religious experience that lead me to God happened on an MDMA trip. While high, I had big understanding of good, evil and what the world was about and had a strong feeling Christiannity was the true religion.

This mind-blowing experience never converted me, but it made me open to the religions credibility.

MDMA is a drug I am very suspicious about. There's a very strange relation between certain drugs and spirituality. Cannabis also. And I'm sure many others I haven't tried (always been a bit of a scaredy cat with psychadelics)
 
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