EADD Theology Megathread - Book II - Exodus

[Marmalade]

@ knock

See the comments from the silk road thread. To me, raas isn't completely clear on what philosophy he's actually subscribed himself to, even remotely. I don't believe he intrinsically understands how to breakdown his own viewpoint either, and therefore can't truthfully determine the implications of what those viewpoints actually mean in the grand scheme of things in order to get a better understanding of them.

I think this leads to him ultimately lacking the ability to cross check the actual facts of a situation, against the belief system he's chosen to subscribe to (Christianity), and the same thing goes for being unable to crosscheck the conclusions (beliefs) he's arrived at via his own personal rationalisations against the facts or the other ideologies he's chosen to believe in (Christianity).

He doesn't even seem to be actively trying to achieve such a thing either, to identify where his contradictions lie, or understand why it is he's often unable to reach even a vague a level of shared understanding with people he's discussing things with (I don't mean agree with here, just be in agreement about what intrinsic points are relevant to the debate).

We all have those contradictions. But when you make a decision to believe a particular viewpoint on important key topics, it's par for the course that you should continually cross check your contradictions in order for your viewpoint to have some integrity, or make sense to others. (it doesn't necessarily make your opinion correct tho, just gets you a deeper understanding of the intrinsics of the topic among other things)

I've got tons of contradictions. It's important to know what they are imo.

 

[Raasyvibe]

Raas you accuse others of being shallow but it's you reducing attraction to a beauty gene pool. It's your own shallowness your fighting against and dealing with.

Over and out.

No. I never accused anyone of being shallow. I bought up the idea that the animal cells we've grown from are illusionary, and to differentiate them from the actual person. I was raising awareness of the repercussions of submitting to our animalistic desires. Not preaching. Just making topic. Really trying not to do a "holier than thou" thang here.

Raas, let's just go back and sort this thing out.

You are claiming that people are unequal in the beauty stakes.

I am saying that generally that is not true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That's a scientific fact. Beauty has to be in the eye of the beholder. We know this because different people find different people attractive. The only explanation is that the beauty thing happens in people's heads.

So, here's another scientific fact. Every one of us has genes from our parents. Those parents fucked. And that fucking goes back a long way, to the start of life on the planet, that's billions of years.

All those fuckers fancied each other. So we all have genes that came from fuckable people. There are exceptions but this is the general rule.

OK? If you're going to argue with me, please address this. You have failed to do so.

There are a few mutants out there, who admittedly might find a hard time getting their end away. If you want to shag them, that is very good of you and I applaud your efforts. But we're talking small fry here.

To get the point... because I really think this was has been over-bickered and subject to a lot of misunderstanding from both sides.

I fully accept, and agree with your point that attractions are diverse and individualised to a great extent.

Though I create awareness that the reality is we do have an animalistic background, we are 98% like chimpanzees DNA wise... and we naturally wanna fuck some hot looking people....

All well and good, but in my experience of life I've seen people with really damaged esteems. I think our ego's are incredibly sensitive, especially when young and trying to find out who we are... and these desires can be really damaging for people. I've met people who've attempted suicide over fears of undesirability. People who've made drastic personality changes, because they feel their not right as they are. I've seen a lot of hurt. I've unknowingly hurt people. I've been hurt myself.

And yes I do attribute this to these primitive desires influenced by our evolutional background.

It's not all doom and gloom. I've seen some really great compassionate people who've fallen in love. this is why I differentiate between spirituality and more primitive attractions. This is not necessarily exclusive to Christians. I'm sure there's lot's of happy couples, who are not Christians. But certainly I feel having a faith gives you confidence to stay away from bad attractions. It has for me anyway.

It's just my understanding of what I've seen and experienced in my life. If you feel my understanding is not correct, please feel free to point out where I'm wrong.

I'm not trying to preach, or tell you your a bad person... Just sharing my understanding for the sake of the topic.

@ knock

See the comments from the silk road thread. To me, raas isn't completely clear on what philosophy he's actually subscribed himself to, even remotely. I don't believe he intrinsically understands how to breakdown his own viewpoint either, and therefore can't truthfully determine the implications of what those viewpoints actually mean in the grand scheme of things in order to get a better understanding of them.

I think this leads to him ultimately lacking the ability to cross check the actual facts of a situation, against the belief system he's chosen to subscribe to (Christianity), and the same thing goes for being unable to crosscheck the conclusions (beliefs) he's arrived at via his own personal rationalisations.

He doesn't even seem to be actively trying to achieve such a thing either, to identify where his contradictions lie.

We all have those contradictions. But when you make a decision to believe a particular viewpoint on important key topics, it's par for the course that you should continually cross check your contradictions in order for your viewpoint to have some integrity, or make sense.

I've got tons of contradictions. It's important to know what they are imo.

Do you have to do this right now? I have shm AND knock on my case as it is. really getting a headache now. can someone bump the pictures of username thread?

 

[GoodGuyGreg]

good genes do help determine who's more likely to get attention from the opposite sex when they're a bit older. I'm pretty shocked you're denying that.

They may help, but this man found his ugly genes no barrier.

I suspect your 9 year hiatus relates to your character much more than your physical appearance. I suppose it's easier to accept flaws in physical appearance than it is to accept flaws in our character.

 

[knock]

Raas: I agree, some people fear they are undesirable. My message is: "You are ALL fuckable." Your message is: "Yeah some of you are ugly but I'm going to persuade some other folk to shag you out of the kindness of their hearts."


^ is that guy ugly? I DON'T SEE IT! Big ears, yeah, but so fuck? But thanks for the example, GGG, even a big-eared goggle-eyed freak can find serious underpants action.

 

[Marmalade]

Do you have to do this right now? I have shm AND knock on my case as it is. really getting a headache now. can someone bump the pictures of username thread?

I edited it like 1000 times since you made that quote.

Raas, I wrote it because I think it underpins the reasons you're failing to fully identify with, or get some common ground on the topic with knock, and with a few other people previously in the thread.

It helps to understand why if you want to move forward.

You don't have to dispute what I've said, I'll take it as read you think it's a pile of horseshit, I'm just typing my observations as I see the situation.

 

[Raasyvibe]

Marmz ^

I appreciate your effort and any constructive criticism, but I generally am mentally knackered. SHM and Knock don't back down easily. I will get back to you in detail after a little walk round the block and a cup of gingseing yogi tea.

Raas: I agree, some people fear they are undesirable. My message is: You are ALL fuckable.

You are right. I think it was BHM who recently argued that he only needs a small pulse. But this doesn't rid the aforementioned problems. Because some become more fuckable than others; inequality creeps in; which leads to bitterness/desire to change; which can then provoke the person into doing silly things. From what I have seen anyway.

Sure there is someone for everyone in the end. But on the way there, those desires of others can cause a lot of problems.

Your message is: "Yeah some of you are ugly but I'm going to persuade some other folk to shag you out of the kindness of their hearts.

No, mine develops into soul-mates, perfectness of God... and all that shizzle. But my brains way to over-heated to get into that right now.

 

[knock]

Raas, some are more fuckable than others - TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE! How often do I need to say this? It's OK that I find some people attractive and other people not attractive, because other people will fancy the people I don't fancy. See? There is no problem there.

The real problem is people going around telling other people they are unattractive. The solution is for us to recognise that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Then it doesn't make sense to tell people they are ugly. What makes sense is for people not to flirt with people they find unattractive. And I mean attractive in all senses of the word. Sometimes a person's personality will be the most attractive thing about them, they will actually look more attractive to us because of that.

And I am not arguing that there is nothing important about a person beyond their appearance. Of course everyone is valuable as a human being. But again, some people will be more compatible with certain people, in terms of personality, likes and dislikes, etc., than with others. It's OK to distinguish between people when looking for a lover. Here I am, a Communist, telling you, a Christian, that it's OK for people to be different, because those differences aren't value judgements. They are just textures, flavours, and people have different tastes.

 

[Marmalade]

Raas, I understand the whole mental exhaustion thing. There's never any point continuing when you're feeling like that.

Lawdy, take a break. Great British Bake Off is on BBC2 ... tis making me drool

 

[knock]

No, don't go.


PLEASE DON'T GO

 

[Marmalade]

The blokes that I often find sexy are generally not the ones lots of other folk refer to as physical beauties. I don't even have to see someone's picture to know whether I think they're fuckable or not. No matter what a person looks like, if I find them mentally attractive I'll find them physically attractive (or in the very least, not displeasing to look at, the physical attraction will develop naturally to them gradually tho). Even if they're not what others would class as 'generically' attractive.

Example: well fuckable imo, but not remotely what the general consensus of attractiveness seems to be

 

[knock]

Poor will self. I hope raas can find someone to touch his willy. I mean apart from you, Marmz, you're a pervert

 

[Bearlove]

I am going to stay awake for the next week just to make a Fabulous Friday vs Rass struggle with god thread.

 

[Raasyvibe]

@ knock

See the comments from the silk road thread. To me, raas isn't completely clear on what philosophy he's actually subscribed himself to, even remotely. I don't believe he intrinsically understands how to breakdown his own viewpoint either, and therefore can't truthfully determine the implications of what those viewpoints actually mean in the grand scheme of things in order to get a better understanding of them.

We all have those contradictions. But when you make a decision to believe a particular viewpoint on important key topics, it's par for the course that you should continually cross check your contradictions in order for your viewpoint to have some integrity, or make sense to others. (it doesn't necessarily make your opinion correct tho, just gets you a deeper understanding of the intrinsics of the topic among other things)

I've got tons of contradictions. It's important to know what they are imo.

Marmz, I feel these are conclusions you have drawn from relatively unfinished debates. We didn't see through our little silk road debate, and me and Knock are still relatively unfinished here. I don't think you fully grasp my beliefs and understanding and I hope through further discussion they will come out and you will see more structure behind them.

Silk Road wise:

Of course I don't condone million pound drug deals and murdering people to ensure your wealth.

The problems with drugs is it is quite difficult where to draw the line on ethic. I myself, even as a Christian, have used heroin and marijuana to replace alcohol (because of bad stomach) and to be honest not regretted it. I have a lot on at the moment and after a long, long week at work it is a nice way to relax.

Generally i'm opposed to recreational drug use, but I will admit my own faith in God has been a big determination of that. Before God, I was a keen drug advocate. Nearly as hardcore as Brimz.

So, I cannot look down upon or judge DPR for also being an advocate. TBH i'm somewhat impressed at the intelligence behind it and risk he put himself through. He's a revolutionist, and much good has come from his site, particularly user reviews more or less eradicating the chance of dangerous/fake drugs being sold and removing the direct involvement with dangerous criminals that many experience when scoring drugs.

Whether he is a justifiable man, or a ill-intented man was a judgement I dissociated from because I just don't know enough. What I did sympathize with, is that now he's made such a success of what he set out to do people are looking to take advantage. I don't know if it is true that he was blackmailed for half a million dollars - but if so - the repercussions are tremendous. Not just financially, but many other vendors and users who have put their trust in him could be jailed for a lengthy time. In principle, it is not fair all these people suffer because of the blackmailers desire to steal. Murder is awful, but looking at the situation he was in, and the option black market dealers have, it is clear there is some method in DPR's madness. Other posters agreed with this also.

So no, I don't think he should have got into drug dealing in the first place, (Only my opinion) but being in that position, his dealings and actions I feel were inevitable.

He doesn't even seem to be actively trying to achieve such a thing either, to identify where his contradictions lie, or understand why it is he's often unable to reach even a vague a level of shared understanding with people he's discussing things with (I don't mean agree with here, just be in agreement about what intrinsic points are relevant to the debate).

Again, I feel this evaluation unfair as the conversations hadn't evolved to a level where I could discuss and identify proposed contradictions.


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Sex/DNA/ debate

Raas, some are more fuckable than others - TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE! How often do I need to say this? It's OK that I find some people attractive and other people not attractive, because other people will fancy the people I don't fancy. See? There is no problem there

The blokes that I often find sexy are generally not the ones lots of other folk refer to as physical beauties.

marmz, you've jumped in a bit late but I have never claimed our physical bodies solely determine attraction. I have agreed with knock that tastes are individualised. lol@ the Will Self photo though. What an ugly fucker.

Though I agree with knock that everyone can potentially be a desirable success, and due to the complex psychological perceptions of attractiveness, there are many exceptions to the rule, some diverse fetishes etc I don't feel he's appreciating the depths of the issue and is blind to the real complications that exist for many because of our animal background.

I don't think it's fair to deny the influence of genes completely. For instance your genes will determine that someone is better for sex in their 20's/30's, than in there 60's. It's why we have attractive babes on the front of every FHM magazine. They lead a bias to certain individuals over others and this leads to jealousy, frustration etc I think it's very clear to see in life the problems and complications that exist just through life observation.

I think it's important to recognise the physical as an illusion, and that these dissonant states of mind of hate, bitterness and jealousy created are not true. I think relationships can become very ego-orientated and that's why objectification creeps in. Many feel that by having attractive partner, it refelects on them and makes them look successful.

Again, I feel i'm stating the obvious here, and the argument has protracted much further than it should have.

I am going to stay awake for the next week just to make a Fabulous Friday vs Rass struggle with god thread

lol, what is it with you and Friday threads about me. There's no struggle with God, Bearlove, just a struggle about to ensue with knock:




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Note to Sammy_G if you're reading, how do you feel my use of "dissonant" was there. Not sure if it was the best choice of word to use there.

 

[knock]

 

[Raasyvibe]

ooh a picture game!


Mrbuffnstuff?

 

[knock]

Eh? Nothing so abstract.

Take some dissociatives raas. You need dissociated.

 

[Raasyvibe]

C'mon, I've assimilated your point, can't you see mine? There are real people with real issues out there, and it is caused by our greedy desires. Our DNA has a role in that. Are you gonna at least half agree?

 

[knock]

Agree on what exactly?

Yes there are real people "out there"... Guess what, I'm a real person!

My issues are real

Their cause? Not enough time has passed for history to take it's course.


....waits....

 

[Raasyvibe]

What? you're not real. you're a knock bot. you've been on this thread 24/7. Each time I've posted throughout the day and night you've responded in minutes.

 

[knock]