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Ahh right. was that with the pre ban stuff? that stuff was wicked

Most wild time i had on that was layered 30mg doses with a friend of mine, ego death, euphoric felt like i was orgasming out the universe, face first on the carpet could hardly move felt like i was swimming in the atoms, complete connection to everything, came out of that glowing for days. thats when i found out about the midly manic afterglows
 
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hx_ said:
Yeah 250-350mg powder a day, that was just to feel normal/function, no real high whatsoever. The purchase of a 50g bag was a terrible idea! Horrible shits, shakes, sickness, suicidal thoughts, agoraphobia and sweats along with insomnia and terrible derealisation (to the point of falling over while walking a few times) were the main effects I got coming off them, couldn't even keep water down n had to change bedsheets every night from the sweatyness. Took about 2 months to feel 'normal' again.

This was probably more due to the fact I was smoking that much for a couple of weeks at the end, and had slowly got to that dose through 6 months of smoking hourly (as in waking up at night every hour almost on the dot, would HAVE to smoke to get back to sleep.

Till you go over 50mg/day these effects are pretty much non-existant, except for the anti-appetite effects, but all the synth canna's literally stop me pooing till I don't smoke for 3 or 4 hours no matter the dose, weird.

Anyway, I now think of them as crackabis cause I can't help but smoke them compulsively to the point of dissociation/passing out, I don't buy them anymore cause I know they're dangerous for me. Last few times I've bought a g it was gone in 3 days.


This MXP sounds interesting though....
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wow, thats some heavy caining. I just couldnt cope with that level of use and the effect it would have on my mind. Allthough i am gradually building a tolerance, it hasnt really become an issue yet. In fact the rising tolerance has seemed to get me over the anxiety reaction of these things, and today i will mostly be enjoying the bodily relaxtion they provide.
 
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wow, thats some heavy caining. I just couldnt cope with that level of use and the effect it would have on my mind. Allthough i am gradually building a tolerance, it hasnt really become an issue yet. In fact the rising tolerance has seemed to get me over the anxiety reaction of these things, and today i will mostly be enjoying the bodily relaxtion they provide.
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Yeah I got to a point within a month or two that it didn't really get my high, just kept me feeling normal. Made the mistake of avoiding feeling shit by just smoking more and more for another 3 months, to get high I had to take a few lungfuls and my exhales were dangerous for people around me.

Careful with the tolerance though, bear in mind these cannabinoids are nearly all full agonists whereas THC and other phyto-cannabinoids are only partial agonists.

You'll be fine if you don't smoke every day, if you notice dodginess on your days off then have a few more days off.
 
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I just plugged 120mg MXP. May need more because of tolerance to disassociates. Will see.
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The chemistry of MXP lends itself more to oral ingestion as opposed to plugging or snorting, though this shouldn't be as pronounced as with diphenidine. I don't really wanna guestimate any percentage loss myself but i would have thought you would lose atleast 30%. Maybe transform or one of the other chemistry bods could help out with this?
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and it seemed to take about an hour to type 4 words without any typos so i gave up.
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Its crazy. When i'm on dissociatives I literally lose the ability to spell. Its actually one of the key criteria I use in categorising a novel drug as a dissociative or not.

I can definitely empathise a lot with what shambles is saying about the duration of this stuff. I too went to sleep twice during my bout of just 250 mg oral (no tolerance at all for me though remember) and woke up about 3 am the second night. I was caught in some proper third person craziness - kinda like watching myself sat on my bed in 3D space, a bit like a computer game with all the grid lines and see through walls and shit. I started getting a running commentary too though that wasn't all that great - 30 year old male, employed 18 hrs a week in shit job blah blah blah.... so I quickly reached for my last 3 diclazepam and closed the book on that one . Most of the paranoia style stuff probably came from all the cannabinoids i ate before crashing out, but i was definitely still high from the MXP without a doubt. That stuff really has a relentless streak to it for sure.
 
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Swarm, are you suggesting that the lipophilicity of diphenidine/the methoxylated analog will mean that BA will be less via the intranasal or rectal route than by the oral? If so, it's basically more complicated than polar=not absorbed, freebase DMT can be taken up intranasally, for example, but you'd have to do experiments to work out relative BAs, it's not the sort of thing you can work out a priori. Plus, those amines are probably substrates for MAO and CP450 enzymes, so you may lose some on first pass metabolism via the oral route. Anyway, I'm not sure I've definitely understood what you were saying, and I'm not really much of a pharma guy, so please take this with a fistful of salt.
 
Brief update this time cos I've only just recently woken up (again). Anyway, I'm fairly sure I'm down now. Aside from being a bit groggy, I'm not noticing any of the other effects anything like as much as I have been. Still rather hard of thinking but not as bad as yesterday and not feeling any more stimulation (at least not right now - have been caught out a few times before... but this does feel fairly final). There was one more fairly strong wave of peak-type symptoms after the last post I made here but it was significantly milder and I actually slept through it mostly with the help of cannabinoids. Woke up a couple times in the night but got back to sleep each time without problems. Feel surprisingly okay today considering. Will give a few details now that I can remember and word (or at least think) things a bit better later after waking up a bit but just wanted to let y'all now that it does finally seem to have let up.

Oh, and in relation to the above I plugged more or less all of what I had (sniffed one small line first off just to get an idea but it didn't do much and was only a smidge really) and it certainly worked. Obviously I don't have other ROAs to compare with though.
 
hx_ said:
Careful with how much you smoke though, in excess they can cause opi-like withdrawal symptoms. I didn't realise till I was smoking over quarter a g a day though..
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You know what i think you are right, the w/d symptoms of both opis and noids feel very simillar. Or, noids somehow mask opi wds. Either these things directly hit opiate receptors or they hit them affect them somhow indirectly through other receptors (my knowledge of brain chemistry isnt all that it could be). I was feeling the need for something, and the noids filled that need. Im quite shocked tbh, i had no idea, my situation is a bit mixed up though as i am also w/d ing from opis, if i could get them out of the equation alltogether then id know for sure. And set to work on reducing my noid consumption. I suppose the only good news is that i seem to be highly sensitive to it, and not building up much tolerance, and therefor my dose has remained pretty low. The one thing i thought was safe, might be causing me problems. Fucks sake it'll be hard to stop both things at the same time though.
 
Iv always stayed away from rc noids (bar stuff called "smoke" I used to get from head shops years ago). What would be the most forgiving one that actually mimics a nice stoned feeling.. if there is one? Would there be types similar to sativas and others indicas?
 
Anyone dig methylascaline? I've got a decent bulk connection was wondering the popularity.

Also Diphenidine seems to one to watch out for. I'm in the States it's not caught on here like it seems to have across the pond.

5MAPB is that considered new? Sorry for so many queries. Thanks!
 
How does it stack up to 6-APB?

I've had that and it was quite like MDA but longer. Mixed great with 4-hotmet

It's rather pricey that 5mapb. 5apb is a little more in my price range.

Nothing beats MXE as far as brand new compounds goes IME. That's why diphenidine and its analogs intrigue me.
 
Hey babylonboy. I read a good 5 or so of your science based posts over the past month or so and I really liked them. Over on the diphenidine thread I saw transform recommend ingesting diphenidine orally along with a fatty meal which made sense to me. I've also been working with a bit of phenanthroline (which I think is a fairly similar molecule) in the lab lately where I work. It dissolves a little better than I thought it would but is still not so great. I've been trying to imagine how phenanthroline's solubility would be enhanced by the addition of a methoxy group like in the case if mxp compared with diphenidine.
 
Thou said:
How does it stack up to 6-APB?

I've had that and it was quite like MDA but longer. Mixed great with 4-hotmet

It's rather pricey that 5mapb. 5apb is a little more in my price range.

Nothing beats MXE as far as brand new compounds goes IME. That's why diphenidine and its analogs intrigue me.
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MXE is far from brand new

Kinda compares to 6-APB. apparently its a lot better than 5-apb

Been ages since ive taken any, would love some 5 or 6 again
 
postie delivered MXP and needless to say I'm pretty excited. not sure if this weekend's a goer though. Shambles, can you get stuff done on this stuff? i just bought a load of boxes, ikea blue bags and sainsbury's bags for life, to organise all my crap, could I do that while all pleased with my self on MXP?
 
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