EADD Mephedrone (4-MMC) Megathread v. XV Pirate Flagship

[SmokingAces]

the thing is its also absolutely terrible for the mind and body. I remember when it was legal, FUCK we had some GOOD times, wicked parties, unreal crack! also though to go with it there were many suicidal comedowns, huge weight loss, bad anxiety during the week. Couldn't enjoy a night out without a cheeky line of drone.

One thing I will say is since meph became harder to get in good quality. I've tried alot of other drugs, stims: speed paste, sulphate, meth, coke. opiates: dhc, oxy, heroin. And to be honest I dont think any of those drugs were as outrightly euphoric as pre ban mephedrone was. Even post ban I've had stuff more euphoric than the best coke I've ever had, and I've done stuff labtested as no active cuts at over 85% purity. I would say heroin is about as close as it gets in terms of euphoria, but you wouldnt want to be using that stuff often now would you, and apart from that its no use anyway! You cant have a party on heroin, or go out looking for a laugh and a pretty girl to fuck. For me personally good meph was everything you could want from a drug, sociable, great craic, music appreciation, horny, euphoria. It had it all.

Just a shame so little of the good stuff around now. Fuck you prohibition! I've actually ordered a few grams last week, but just after I ordered it I spoke to mr.buffandstuff and he informed me he'd had it the week before and it was weak. And I think I'm honestly past the level of drug interest of constantly searching new vendors hoping to find that magic like the chinese devil dust of old!




Interesting also, came across this http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v37/n5/full/npp2011304a.html , which says pre ban mephedrone was all racemic

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

By the way, that stuff I had Friday night? Best I've had in years, crushed up into a really fine powder. Harsh on me hooter as its always been but definitely the best I've seen in far too long.

 

[reese2015]

at least we all got to have it and go through the experience i often come across people who completely disagree with all drugs and would prob never even consider it, and i do think to myself how fucking boring their lives must be... obviously they are happy the way they are - but i do feel like shaking them and saying wake up people - you have no fucking idea what your missing lol

 

[ClemFandango]

the thing is its also absolutely terrible for the mind and body. I remember when it was legal, FUCK we had some GOOD times, wicked parties, unreal crack! also though to go with it there were many suicidal comedowns, huge weight loss, bad anxiety during the week. Couldn't enjoy a night out without a cheeky line of drone.

One thing I will say is since meph became harder to get in good quality. I've tried alot of other drugs, stims: speed paste, sulphate, meth, coke. opiates: dhc, oxy, heroin. And to be honest I dont think any of those drugs were as outrightly euphoric as pre ban mephedrone was. Even post ban I've had stuff more euphoric than the best coke I've ever had, and I've done stuff labtested as no active cuts at over 85% purity. I would say heroin is about as close as it gets in terms of euphoria, but you wouldnt want to be using that stuff often now would you, and apart from that its no use anyway! You cant have a party on heroin, or go out looking for a laugh and a pretty girl to fuck. For me personally good meph was everything you could want from a drug, sociable, great craic, music appreciation, horny, euphoria. It had it all.

Just a shame so little of the good stuff around now. Fuck you prohibition! I've actually ordered a few grams last week, but just after I ordered it I spoke to mr.buffandstuff and he informed me he'd had it the week before and it was weak. And I think I'm honestly past the level of drug interest of constantly searching new vendors hoping to find that magic like the chinese devil dust of old!




Interesting also, came across this http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v37/n5/full/npp2011304a.html , which says pre ban mephedrone was all racemic

I agree, pre-ban meph was pretty nice, but it can't have been that great, otherwise it would still be getting created in the tonnes. There obviously isn't the worldwide demand for it, otherwise the Chinese and Indians would have carried on making it. Even if it's just the UK market to serve, why hasn't some EU or UK lab carried on making it?

I'm no organised criminal, but surely they would've had it created somewhere if the right money was to be made? They must have weighed up the pros and cons and decided mephedrone just isn't worth the bother.

It's bizzarre how the UK hasn't got the crystal meth bug and more people, it seems, would prefer mephedrone. We're a funny old lot, us Brits.

 

[consumer]

I agree, pre-ban meph was pretty nice, but it can't have been that great, otherwise it would still be getting created in the tonnes. There obviously isn't the worldwide demand for it, otherwise the Chinese and Indians would have carried on making it. Even if it's just the UK market to serve, why hasn't some EU or UK lab carried on making it?

I'm no organised criminal, but surely they would've had it created somewhere if the right money was to be made? They must have weighed up the pros and cons and decided mephedrone just isn't worth the bother.

It's bizzarre how the UK hasn't got the crystal meth bug and more people, it seems, would prefer mephedrone. We're a funny old lot, us Brits.

I have commented numerous times that its weird you guys have not been flooded with crystal meth. I think you will eventually. Its the perfect product for organised crime. Easy to make. Does not rely on plants for synthesis. Incredibly potent. Very addictive. A huge dollar spinner. Asia is flooded with it. Australia is flooded with it. The States is flooded with it by the sounds of it too. I recently read an article where it was beginning to take off in Italy or Spain. .i cant remember which. But it will come...and people will like it...and the rest will be history.

 

[BigG]

I've commented on this loads of times. ...

Why has crystal not taken off in the UK?

Maybe the plentiful supply of coke, crack and (all be it shit) sulphate..

Maybe the lack of wilderness areas in the UK for inconspicuous meth labs.....

Who knows really......

 

[consumer]

I've commented on this loads of times. ...

Why has crystal not taken off in the UK?

Maybe the plentiful supply of coke, crack and (all be it shit) sulphate..

Maybe the lack of wilderness areas in the UK for inconspicuous meth labs.....

Who knows really......

I reckon it will. Its just the perfect product. I may be proven wrong but i bet it will rear its very ugly head soon enough.

 

[BigG]

But why has it taken so long?

Its been an epidemic in the US and Aus for over a decade and appart from the gay clubbing scene it's unheard of over here....

There has to be a reason but I'm fucked if I know what it is.....

 

[consumer]

But why has it taken so long?

Its been an epidemic in the US and Aus for over a decade and appart from the gay clubbing scene it's unheard of over here....

There has to be a reason but I'm fucked if I know what it is.....

The gays are always ahead of the drug trends...at least here. They were the first ones with e's here in the 80's and the same with crystal in the early / mid 90's. I will be surprised if the UK does not get a taste for it. Its taken over where ever its been marketed. Maybe the big crims have agreed not to sell it for some reason. But i think eventually someone will start importing tonnes of it like they do here and flood you guys with it.

 

[BigG]

The gays are always ahead of the drug trends...at least here. They were the first ones with e's here in the 80's and the same with crystal in the early / mid 90's. I will be surprised if the UK does not get a taste for it. Its taken over where ever its been marketed. Maybe the big crims have agreed not to sell it for some reason. But i think eventually someone will start importing tonnes of it like they do here and flood you guys with it.

This is true....

(just cos I'm agreeing with you doesn't mean I like you BTW......you're still a cunt )

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

I was chatting to someone the other day, meph synth is ridiculously easy, required fuck all gear to set up and the reagents aren't controlled or if they are I've never noticed it!
There's some serious money to be made, I do wonder how secure DN is though for a would be vendor?

 

[consumer]

This is true....

(just cos I'm agreeing with you doesn't mean I like you BTW......you're still a cunt )

I like being called a cunt cause well i am a fan of cunts. They are awesome.

 

[BigG]

I like being called a cunt cause well i am a fan of cunts. They are awesome.

Yeah they can be fun

 

[Cami187]

In reply to why crystal hasn't taken off in Britain. Maybe it's just me but doesn't the price put you off I think it's a bit expensive in my opinion and without a direct price discussion as I know that's against the rules, I've seen it priced higher then 90% cola maybe even more. I've tried it twice smoked and snorted. I didn't think that much to it, maybe because I was seeking a mephedrone high and just tried out of curiosity and and lack of being able to find good meph.

 

[BigG]

In reply to why crystal hasn't taken off in Britain. Maybe it's just me but doesn't the price put you off I think it's a bit expensive in my opinion and without a direct price discussion as I know that's against the rules, I've seen it priced higher then 90% cola maybe even more. I've tried it twice smoked and snorted. I didn't think that much to it, maybe because I was seeking a mephedrone high and just tried out of curiosity and and lack of being able to find good meph.

Your right mate....

People may just prefer shit sulphate at a tenner a pop than pay the high price of crystal

 

[consumer]

Yes but a gram of quality crystal lasts days ..even a week. It seems expensive but when you factor in how strong it is its kind of cheap. And an increase in availability will lead to cheaper prices. Anyway i am off to bed .

 

[SmokingAces]

I agree, pre-ban meph was pretty nice, but it can't have been that great, otherwise it would still be getting created in the tonnes. There obviously isn't the worldwide demand for it, otherwise the Chinese and Indians would have carried on making it. Even if it's just the UK market to serve, why hasn't some EU or UK lab carried on making it?

I'm no organised criminal, but surely they would've had it created somewhere if the right money was to be made? They must have weighed up the pros and cons and decided mephedrone just isn't worth the bother.

It's bizzarre how the UK hasn't got the crystal meth bug and more people, it seems, would prefer mephedrone. We're a funny old lot, us Brits.

Sorry but what? It's pretty obvious why pre ban meph isn't still around. The second it became a large scale thing among youth culture they banned it in China and the precursor.

Today's meph is synth'd differently. And it's rarely ever as good. Mostly that's down to purity though, harder to do things when your gathering all the ingredients and carrying out the synthesis illicitly.

To say it never really took off after the ban aswell? I don't think there's been a drug since ecstasy in the mitzi era that took off like mephedrone did. It was all over the papers even after it was banned. Even just recently they found 150kg of it inside a freezer in a flat in Leeds.

Whether it's banned or not it has such a following like ketamine that I doubt meph won't hold its place on the drugs markets now for a long time. The only one that surprises me didn't follow suit was MXE

 

[BigG]

MXE seemed to die a death pretty sharpish..

I'm surprised UK medicinal ketamine hadn't made it into the UK black market...in the way Diaz has.

We certainly have plenty of it at work.

 

[ColtDan]

There has to be a reason but I'm fucked if I know what it is.....

Probably the price and its reputation

Sorry but what? It's pretty obvious why pre ban meph isn't still around. The second it became a large scale thing among youth culture they banned it in China and the precursor.

Today's meph is synth'd differently. And it's rarely ever as good. Mostly that's down to purity though, harder to do things when your gathering all the ingredients and carrying out the synthesis illicitly.

To say it never really took off after the ban aswell? I don't think there's been a drug since ecstasy in the mitzi era that took off like mephedrone did. It was all over the papers even after it was banned. Even just recently they found 150kg of it inside a freezer in a flat in Leeds.

Whether it's banned or not it has such a following like ketamine that I doubt meph won't hold its place on the drugs markets now for a long time. The only one that surprises me didn't follow suit was MXE

This

 

[mister]

Sorry but what? It's pretty obvious why pre ban meph isn't still around. The second it became a large scale thing among youth culture they banned it in China and the precursor.

Today's meph is synth'd differently. And it's rarely ever as good. Mostly that's down to purity though, harder to do things when your gathering all the ingredients and carrying out the synthesis illicitly.

To say it never really took off after the ban aswell? I don't think there's been a drug since ecstasy in the mitzi era that took off like mephedrone did. It was all over the papers even after it was banned. Even just recently they found 150kg of it inside a freezer in a flat in Leeds.

Whether it's banned or not it has such a following like ketamine that I doubt meph won't hold its place on the drugs markets now for a long time. The only one that surprises me didn't follow suit was MXE

Not sure if Im blurring the boundaries here but I agree...

The synthesis of mephedrone, mentioned as ‘toluyl-alpha-monomethyl-aminoethylcetone’, was first described in 1929 by Saem de Burnaga Sanchez. The most straightforward route of synthesis for mephedrone is by reacting the suitably substituted bromopropiophenone with methylamine; the resulting product is always racemic. Therefore, mephedrone is most likely synthesised by bromination of 4-methylpropiophenone (1-(4-methylphenyl)-1-propanone) followed by reaction of the resulting 4-methylbromopropiophenone (1-(4-methylphenyl)-2-bromo-1-propanone) with an excess of methylamine or methylamine hydrochloride and an acid scavenger. The reaction is then quenched with gaseous or aqueous hydrochloride providing the hydrochloride salt that needs to be recrystallised. This is a relatively straightforward option because the starting materials are often commercially available or easily synthesised. This requires similar equipment and chemical knowledge to that needed for the synthesis of, for example, amphetamine or MDMA. The main precursor of mephedrone, 4-methylpropiophenone, is commercially available on the Internet.

There is the potential that if the substituted ephedrine analogue (4-methylephedrine) is available, then its oxidation with, for example, potassium permanganate or potassium dichromate is also a feasible method that does not require a professional laboratory. There is no
evidence that this is currently occurring in Europe. This method, similar to the one used for the clandestine synthesis of methcathinone, requires reacting the precursor with a solution of potassium permanganate in diluted sulphuric acid. The precursor can be obtained in a specific enantiomeric form, ensuring that the synthesis is stereoselective. One of the possible hazards of the permanganate process could be that users can suffer manganese poisoning if the product is not purified.

However, analysis of seized and purchased mephedrone has shown that it is generally of high purity (>95 %). There is limited evidence that precursors used in the manufacture of mephedrone are found in the final product.

Alternative synthetic methods, though more cumbersome, have been described in the literature such as the Hartung-Munch procedure. More synthetic routes for mephedrone may exist.

Reports from at least four Member States indicated legal production and distribution from Asia and in particular from China and bordering countries in South-East Asia. Final packaging of mephedrone, prior to sale, seems to be carried out by European suppliers. There have also been seizures of tableting machines used for mephedrone processing in Europe, indicating that the drug has also been prepared for sale on the illicit market.

http://www.drugtext.org/EMCDDA-Repo...e-used-for-the-manufacture-of-mephedrone.html