EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

[Zopiclone bandit]

1- very irregular supply: see, during XX Century London and major UK cities allways had ethnic minorities and a huge commerce with the whole planet, hence some heroin has allways been avaliable. In Spain was different cause of Franco. After his dead in 1975 until 1979, some batches started to arrive, more and more every time, but it was not a constant supply. I was a kid but people say that it all was actual " China White" very pure white h. That's the first scenario: irregular supply of good product. You will miss many batches but eventually you will hit one.

Another guy from a few townes over I know well moved to South Spain to get off NHS Fent, you can see Morroco from his kitchen & lounge.
As his right on the sea boats pay many trips over, he said Spain is flooded with Coke, strange RC's like 4-MMC.

His always got a big spliff of Charas burning, he said Cannabis is 100% Legal is Spain if you belong to some kind of "Club"

"Las leyes narcos
Hay que obedecer
El brujo da consejos
Óiganme, pendejos
Lleno la troca
Cien kilos de la blanca
Hay que pintarlas
Con sangre de perro
Cortado, ¡sí!
Barato, ¡no!
Mordidas, ¡sí!
La migra, ¡no!"

 

[Señor Moreno]

I don't really know about RCs mate, but yes, cocaine is all around. Spain is perfect for S American cartels, a peninsula with thosands of miles of coastline and sharing the same language. First, in the late 70s and 80s, it were the galician (NW) clans, quiet and efficient people, seasoned after decades of smuggling every kind of supplies from Portugal after the Civil War; then in the 60s they moved to tobacco smuggling, buying ships and bribing seamen. The infrastucture was already there, so when they met the colombians in prison, the bussiness started and it goes on to these days, even big narcosubmarines have been seized, you can google image "narcosubmarinos Galicia", also in English, as I have read The Guardian reports on the subject. Hell, there are even Netflix series.. But today it isn't only Galicia: the southern gangs, historically specialized in hashish, have expanded their activities to cocaine too, so it's everywhere.
Your friend that see Africa from home is probably living close to Algeciras and La Línea (Gibraltar is there too). Super hot spots, full of cocaine and the very place where all morrocan hash comes to Europe from.

And yes, the guy is right: there are clubs where police don't (doesn't?) disturb smokers. It is illegal on paper but it is almost legal in daily life. Clubs are ok, very good gear but more expensive than street markets.
Police here, despite fining you if they find something in your possesion, don't care about cannabis dealers anymore. They are after the king pins and the "planeadoras" (speed boats specifically made for narco) pilots. Last year a big planeadora willingly crashed into a Guardia Civil zodiac and killed two agents

 

[Nas47]

may be...may be....in coming years u westerners could have some good H...there is another eventually possible narcostate...This state flood Europe and neighbouring countries with nasty synthetics already......and in the past they got large poppy fields....talk about Ukraine

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I don't really know about RCs mate, but yes, cocaine is all around. Spain is perfect for S American cartels, a peninsula with thosands of miles of coastline and sharing the same language. First, in the late 70s and 80s, it were the galician (NW) clans, quiet and efficient people, seasoned after decades of smuggling every kind of supplies from Portugal after the Civil War; then in the 60s they moved to tobacco smuggling, buying ships and bribing seamen. The infrastucture was already there, so when they met the colombians in prison, the bussiness started and it goes on to these days, even big narcosubmarines have been seized, you can google image "narcosubmarinos Galicia", also in English, as I have read The Guardian reports on the subject. Hell, there are even Netflix series.. But today it isn't only Galicia: the southern gangs, historically specialized in hashish, have expanded their activities to cocaine too, so it's everywhere.
Your friend that see Africa from home is probably living close to Algeciras and La Línea (Gibraltar is there too). Super hot spots, full of cocaine and the very place where all morrocan hash comes to Europe from.

And yes, the guy is right: there are clubs where police don't (doesn't?) disturb smokers. It is illegal on paper but it is almost legal in daily life. Clubs are ok, very good gear but more expensive than street markets.
Police here, despite fining you if they find something in your possesion, don't care about cannabis dealers anymore. They are after the king pins and the "planeadoras" (speed boats specifically made for narco) pilots. Last year a big planeadora willingly crashed into a Guardia Civil zodiac and killed two agents

I don't speak on some things online but yes you are 100% correct in this whole post.

living close to Algeciras and La Línea (Gibraltar is there too). Super hot spots, full of cocaine and the very place where all morrocan hash comes to Europe from.

LMAO

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Spain is perfect for S American cartels

I learned Ciérrate la maldita boca, puta & No eres más que una puta barata from South American people.

 

[Señor Moreno]

you kill me, Zopi

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

 

[DrPetro]

It's very possible Zopi, it's almost sure.
But I think that heroin won't dissapear completly, you know that some spots in the USA still have bth, also small amounts of white colombian are being sent there so someone it's receiving it. Myammar's situation is what it is, and the place is producing more and more these last years; colombia itself is sending to Europe, I read last week.
I foresse two scenarios:
1- very irregular supply: see, during XX Century London and major UK cities allways had ethnic minorities and a huge commerce with the whole planet, hence some heroin has allways been avaliable. In Spain was different cause of Franco. After his dead in 1975 until 1979, some batches started to arrive, more and more every time, but it was not a constant supply. I was a kid but people say that it all was actual " China White" very pure white h. That's the first scenario: irregular supply of good product. You will miss many batches but eventually you will hit one.

2- Disaster in the Crescent. This time, after Hamas and Hezbollah, it seems that Israel are determined to finish Iran and blow the whole region. And if the jews are determined, the gringos are aware for sure. They may or may not achieve such terrible goal, but if they have succes, then who knows what can happen. Maybe a totally corrupt western puppet govmt. Maybe war for years all around the region, the kingdom of chaos that would allow production to grow and grow, like in Myammar but probably to a greater extent.

But, appart of these scenarios, I agree with you that we are in for a flow of nitazenes and who knows what other kinds of shit

I hate to tempt fate but through the Yardie guy I've been seeing for decades for H (and in the past crack also) the gear has been OK. I stick to my reducing script of Methadone plus a couple of pregabs most days but an ex has me getting for her and as my Done has reduced from 100mls down to 45mls my urge to use has returned. Sometimes I've booshed it but have returned to the femoral a couple of times recently. Anyway, he still seems to be getting something OK and I've wondered whether H might be coming in from Colombia via Jamaica now that there is more of an Island market for H as well as coke. Even if not the case with my guy it might well happen. That being said in the UK we're mostly an aging (and dying) cohort and it will only flow to the UK if there's a sufficient market. Given the nature of the market I reckon that if nitazenes plus cut are "working" for consumers sufficiently to continue repeat purchase then it might continue. In Canada many years ago there was a period of very effective enforcement around Vancouver an apparently when tested the "H" people were purchasing was just sedatives with no opiates.

Re Morphine-anyone who'd shot it would know. Pure M causes a horrible histamine reaction-red face, stinging scalp etc.

 

[DrPetro]

That is what morphine does. Or, to be specific, morphine sulfate.

It COULD be the case that people who whack up their gear think it 'OK' since although morphine is less potent that H, it IS active.

Of course, I don't want anyone using pins and M has lousy oral bioavailability but other parentheral routes may work. I know, it's not a pretty picture of someone dissolving the stuff and boofing it - but if it works...

I guess snorting is the other obvious one, but if it's cut, that could be VERY nasty.

Maybe it's nature's way of saying it's time to take a break?

boofing it - but if it works... This is my preferred route if shooting isn't practical. It's also great for K etc. I hate a nose full of gunk. I'm het myself but a lot of het guys seem to have a prejudice against UTB

 

[Señor Moreno]

Sometimes I've booshed it but have returned to the femoral a couple of times recently

Don't do that, mate. Did you taper your script too fast, maybe? I know that when you reach a low dose -like 30mg for me-, things start to get unconfortable and you get the cravings, but a long and smooth taper makes the process more bareable. Individuals and tolerances are different, but I think that 45mg, if you landed on them after a gradual and slow reduction, should be enough to hold you 24h; ofc you won't feel as "covered" as if you were on 80mg. Maybe you could try and split it in 30 morning/ 15 evening or something

 

[4DQSAR]

boofing it - but if it works... This is my preferred route if shooting isn't practical. It's also great for K etc. I hate a nose full of gunk. I'm het myself but a lot of het guys seem to have a prejudice against UTB

Yeah - I didn't want to say it out loud but the hydromorphone suppository has been in use since 2024.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

One of the best sessions I had in ages.

Scored & was back in the flat by 10.20am, had a £20 rock & 9 bags between two of us, spaced the rock out over 2 hours & the heroin was great quality.
I've just come around about 35 mins ago, spent most of the day on the bed crashed out with my mate & the cat.

It's days like this that make Heroin the best drug out there, all day on the nod in the most beautiful way, the hours vanish & when you go on the nod it feels like God has picked you up in a cuddle.

Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan at Joujouka playing on a loop, the odd moment I get up to have a few drags on a roll up then make a fuss of the cat 7 it curls into my lap making that "purr" noise & has a smile on its face, sipping on good quality Brazil Coffee made in the coffee percolator.

It's days like this when scoring is so easy, the man turns up on time, the Heroin is great quality & I have nothing to do all day.

Sufi Berber music from The Hills of Joujouka played at The Festival of Boujeloud.

 

[DrPetro]

Yeah - I didn't want to say it out loud but the hydromorphone suppository has been in use since 2024.

In the Lower East Side possible treatment options? I'm in the UK and in the Early 1960's an eccentric GP called Lady Frankau had given some talks in Canada regarding humanitarian treatment with injectable Diamorphine scripts. A few Canadian drug users followed her back to the UK. I'm assuming that treatment tourism in the opposite direction isn't possible now that Canada is the centre of humane drug treatment?

 

[DrPetro]

Sufi Berber music from The Hills of Joujouka played at The Festival of Boujeloud.

This choice of chillout music following a successful score makes me happy that there are a few scattered folk in Brum who still hold a taste for old junk culture

 

[4DQSAR]

In the Lower East Side possible treatment options? I'm in the UK and in the Early 1960's an eccentric GP called Lady Frankau had given some talks in Canada regarding humanitarian treatment with injectable Diamorphine scripts. A few Canadian drug users followed her back to the UK. I'm assuming that treatment tourism in the opposite direction isn't possible now that Canada is the centre of humane drug treatment?

Lady Frankau - she almost single-handedly began a methamphetamine epidemic in the UK. She thought injectable methamphetamine was a reasonable treatment for heroin addiction. The logic being that it gave patients something to inject and I SUPPOSE distracted patients from opiate withdrawal.

I think she was eventually struck off for prescribing a patient suffering clinical depression Diconal. The patient just took the whole bottle and ended their own life.

So I would be VERY dubious about her claims.

I think she began prescribing methamphetamine when her licence to prescribe heroin was revoked... but still, it doesn't seem like a great plan.

So while I'm sure she meant well, she didn't REALLY understand addiction.

But the important thing is that evidently hydromorphone has high bioavailability when in the form of a suppository. I would never recommend someone use a medication other than indicated, but if one is left in agony because the clinician won't supply enough oral tablets... well, it's around four times more potent if inserted in the other end. Of course, oral tablets are not formulated for other ROAs which is why their is alway an unknown. A Risk one cannot quantify.

But at the very least, don't use even a quarter of a tablet the first time. A person may have poor oral absorbtion and for such people the different ROA may be substantially more than x4. At the end of the day, you can always consume MORE. But once consumed, you cannot undo.

As chippies say 'measure twice, cut once'.

 

[DrPetro]

Lady Frankau - she almost single-handedly began a methamphetamine epidemic in the UK. She thought injectable methamphetamine was a reasonable treatment for heroin addiction. The logic being that it gave patients something to inject and I SUPPOSE distracted patients from opiate withdrawal.

I think she was eventually struck off for prescribing a patient suffering clinical depression Diconal. The patient just took the whole bottle and ended their own life.

So I would be VERY dubious about her claims.

I think she began prescribing methamphetamine when her licence to prescribe heroin was revoked... but still, it doesn't seem like a great plan.

So while I'm sure she meant well, she didn't REALLY understand addiction.

But the important thing is that evidently hydromorphone has high bioavailability when in the form of a suppository. I would never recommend someone use a medication other than indicated, but if one is left in agony because the clinician won't supply enough oral tablets... well, it's around four times more potent if inserted in the other end. Of course, oral tablets are not formulated for other ROAs which is why their is alway an unknown. A Risk one cannot quantify.

But at the very least, don't use even a quarter of a tablet the first time. A person may have poor oral absorbtion and for such people the different ROA may be substantially more than x4. At the end of the day, you can always consume MORE. But once consumed, you cannot undo.

As chippies say 'measure twice, cut once'.

Lady Frankau - she almost single-handedly began a methamphetamine epidemic in the UK. She thought injectable methamphetamine was a reasonable treatment for heroin addiction. The logic being that it gave patients something to inject and I SUPPOSE distracted patients from opiate withdrawal.

I think she was eventually struck off for prescribing a patient suffering clinical depression Diconal. The patient just took the whole bottle and ended their own life.

So I would be VERY dubious about her claims.

I think she began prescribing methamphetamine when her licence to prescribe heroin was revoked... but still, it doesn't seem like a great plan.

So while I'm sure she meant well, she didn't REALLY understand addiction.

But the important thing is that evidently hydromorphone has high bioavailability when in the form of a suppository. I would never recommend someone use a medication other than indicated, but if one is left in agony because the clinician won't supply enough oral tablets... well, it's around four times more potent if inserted in the other end. Of course, oral tablets are not formulated for other ROAs which is why their is alway an unknown. A Risk one cannot quantify.

But at the very least, don't use even a quarter of a tablet the first time. A person may have poor oral absorbtion and for such people the different ROA may be substantially more than x4. At the end of the day, you can always consume MORE. But once consumed, you cannot undo.

As chippies say 'measure twice, cut once'.

Hmmm, well this might encourage me to refresh my knowledge of Lady Frankau's dubious legacy. My current understanding is that after the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act ordinary doctors were banned from prescribing diamorphine or cocaine to their patients unless they had a Home Office Licence which in practice is only awarded to a few specialist consultant psychiatrists. This ushered in the beginning of IV Methadone Ampoule prescribing, alongside Morphine.
In the 60's and 70's chemist shop break ins were the main source of chemical or 'white' drugs as they were then known. As a result plenty of drug users had tried illicit supplies of Methamphetamine ampoules and there was certainly a demand. It certainly wouldn't be my cup of tea but they were certainly popular and the private doctors who still had lists of Diamorphine dependant patients who wanted injectables. Methadone amps and Methamphetamine amps started to be prescribed. At the same time there was a small but growing illicit market of China White Heroin No 4 from Asia. Alongside all this were significant changes in the demographic of Heroin users from rebellious middle class students and creatives to a growing number of societies most hurting, damaged individuals who were already enmeshed with the criminal underworld.
I'm surprised to hear re Frankau and Diconal as I thought she'd died before 1971. This sounds more like the eponymous Dr Petro.
I could write a book but I'm going to shut up now!!

 

[DrPetro]

Don't do that, mate. Did you taper your script too fast, maybe? I know that when you reach a low dose -like 30mg for me-, things start to get unconfortable and you get the cravings, but a long and smooth taper makes the process more bareable. Individuals and tolerances are different, but I think that 45mg, if you landed on them after a gradual and slow reduction, should be enough to hold you 24h; ofc you won't feel as "covered" as if you were on 80mg. Maybe you could try and split it in 30 morning/ 15 evening or something

I'm afraid that I perhaps have reduced a bit quickly but my femoral use is part of a wider picture. I hear you regarding its obvious risks and I'd counsel against it just like you have. The sensible, rational part of me says exactly the same!
Unfortunately such choices don't tend to be made by our rational brains

 

[4DQSAR]

I may be getting confused about her use of Diconal. But AFAIK when the special licencing of consultants for prescribing certain drugs to addicts (the term used in the paper) was introduced, Cocaine, Diamorphine and Diconal were the three drugs controlled.

So I'm not certain exactly when Diconal was introduced. Brit. J. Anaesth. (1967), 39, 699 mentions dipipanone, but not Diconal and I THINK it was Diconal that was controlled although no other form of dipipanone was ever used and the paper does mention any. But to be clear, the paper is clearly discussing the possible use of various opioids (and sedative/hypnotics) in the UK. Hydromorphone and oxymorphone are discussed and the former only turned up a few years ago, the latter has never been used. In fact, is oxymorphone used anywhere as of 2025?

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

returned to the femoral a couple of times recently

The Fuck Mate!!!!!!

Soon coming.........

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Anyone ever come across a Punjabi woman selling Heroin?

In all my time I have NEVER known Punjabi females selling, it all used to be old white / English addicts of "The Old Skool" types then it seemed to move to 2nd Generation Afghan & Pakistan men, I have known a few white female dealers in my time but they have all been old time junkies & sadly only 1 is left alive that I know, Pre-Gab & "Valium" has killed most of them off.

MY eyes nearly came out my head on Monday when I got the number for her line, she looks so fucking Sexy & was driving a BMW M5.

As they say in Punjabi........
"ਮੈਂ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਚੁਦਾਈ ਕਰਨਾ ਚਾਹੁੰਦਾ ਹਾਂ।