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EADD-Heroin-Discussion-v-XXIII-New shit - same old problems

keeping said:
did you mean to post this is a difff thread man? i mean no one was even talking about suboxone...
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Probably right but it's always worth just reminding folk how pointless it is to try and abuse them. I must admit that I don't know many folk in the UK that are on the 'suboxone' combination - just straight up bupe. In my last job I saw it (buprenorphine like) used as a analgesic for the first time: one of the guys I was looking after ended up on a transdermal patch... never saw the logic in it to be honest as his behaviour was disturbed and he would just keep yanking them off - proper dodj when you have other folk with learning disabilities, some of whom just put anything in their mouths. Don't know why he wasn't prescribed the sublingual product - it has to have been cheaper than the patches, you can be confident with compliance and most importantly you don't have to worry about someone else accidentally poisoning themselves.

Anyway back on topix - heronheronheronheronheron...........
 
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zzzlll said:
Im 7 days into my opiate detox, been using heroin for nearly 17 years although been on and off for forst 4 years but constant for the last 13 years. Iv been on methadone for 6 years but not really stuck to it. Used heroin every day an didnt take my methadone until the last month wen I had to be tested weekly so used heroin for 3 days and stuck to my methadone for 4 days. Now started a new detox called the Bristol regime. Would definitely recommend it as the withdrawl are no where near as bad. When iv been using heroin for 3 days then stop an start 24mls of meth i have worse withdrawl than im having now. Anyway my question is, if I was to use today, meth in my system still, would it set me back to day one, and what if used on say day 12? I no I shudnt but I just want to experience it one last time without having to go through all this again.
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Sorry to say this mate, but the fact you're still looking for that 'one last time' (which it never is) shows that you're not ready to stop yet, however good x y z detox might be..
 
Buprenorphine has a higher affinity for the μ-receptor than heroin or morphine, irrespective of RoA. The naloxone in Suboxone is purely for show. It ticks the "hard to abuse" box for medical staff who ought to know their drugs, and it gets druggies trying to invent ways to abuse them. Unfortunately, none of them will work; because buprenorphine (a) would displace morphine / heroin by itself, and (b) produces a less intense high. So you're on a hiding to nothing, 'cause it ain't the naloxone you've got to worry about.

I still want someone to invent a device capable of measuring blood concentration of endogenous and exogenous opioids in real-time, though; because that would literally get anyone off opioids as swiftly and painlessly as possible. Instead of long-acting, slow stuff like meth or bupe, the recovering endorphin factory would be supplemented by tiny doses of morphine or heroin; just enough to keep the patient as comfortable as possible, without ever exceeding the threshhold at which endorphin production is cut back again.

It's not too likely to happen, though, when there's an entire industry at stake; getting paid for doing no better a job of rehabilitating anyone than they could have managed by themselves and prolonging their suffering.
 
BecomingJulie said:
I still want someone to invent a device capable of measuring blood concentration of endogenous and exogenous opioids in real-time, though; because that would literally get anyone off opioids as swiftly and painlessly as possible. Instead of long-acting, slow stuff like meth or bupe, the recovering endorphin factory would be supplemented by tiny doses of morphine or heroin; just enough to keep the patient as comfortable as possible, without ever exceeding the threshhold at which endorphin production is cut back again.
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oh! how about an Orgone Accumula... okay i'll stop now
as julie said, addiction treatment is a business, and business is ​good
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyotorphin

This little sucker looks like one hell of an interesting potential treatment if it can be delivered to the CNS adequately
(its a peptide, so chances are oral is out...I hate peptidic shit, pain in the arsehole)

But this one looks rather unusual, in that rather than being a direct agonist, it stabilizes and induces release of methionine-enkephalin. And since its such an uncomplicated peptide, synthesis would be a breeze from resin-bound l-tyrosine (its L-tyrosyl-L-arginine, both easy aminoacids to obtain. Could be a fun little project, its been added to the 'to do' list at some point.
 
Stee that's so noble of you to go CT every time and put yourself through that. Shows what a strong and independant mind you have that you accept your drug sessions and bare the cold brunt of the withdrawals like a scene from trainspotting where you have the option to accept "doctors" Medicine but you choose to go it alone. A true testament to hojr character of a strong independant experiened addict.
 
I got a fat 1.8g sixteenth of some lovely gear, same gear that's been doing the rounds for past few weeks, darker brown than the usual tan gear, lovely smell when running on foil or cooking up and doesn't leave any crud behind, the hit is lovely tingling pins n needles starting in the gut n spreading out throughout the body n getting more intense in the hands, feet and face, has that 'take yer breath away' feeling which is very nice :)

ugh all this talk is making me fiend for another (living up to my name eh!)
This teenth is my birthday present to myelf but I've a feeling it won't even last to my bday on weds! Oh well I'm gunna enjoy it whilst I can :)
 
breakcorefiend said:
I got a fat 1.8g sixteenth of some lovely gear, same gear that's been doing the rounds for past few weeks, darker brown than the usual tan gear, lovely smell when running on foil or cooking up and doesn't leave any crud behind, the hit is lovely tingling pins n needles starting in the gut n spreading out throughout the body n getting more intense in the hands, feet and face, has that 'take yer breath away' feeling which is very nice :)

ugh all this talk is making me fiend for another (living up to my name eh!)
This teenth is my birthday present to myelf but I've a feeling it won't even last to my bday on weds! Oh well I'm gunna enjoy it whilst I can :)
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Managed to save a fat shot for wakeup n went n got a couple more birthday bags, today is gunna be spent drinking beer n smoking gear :D
 
All the bods slinging H round my way (Central/West London) reckon there's another drought on the way. After all the crap from 2010, I live in dread of another major drought. This time, however, I think it will be good for my man and I. After a week without gear I should be able to put him out to stud! :!
 
BecomingJulie said:
I think my recovering endorphin factory must have overshot slightly, because I am very pleasantly buzzed .....

Does anyone else ever experience this phenomenon, about 6 - 7 days after coming off the gear?
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I'll let you know in about 6 days. Told the family I'm recovering from flu, so thats my cover for the withdrawals.

From past experience it usually takes at least 10 days until the symptoms begin to fade. I dont suppose you or anyone else here knows of a way of ridding those awful tingles/hot and cold flushes do you? Dreading that the most really.
 
endlessnameless said:
I dont suppose you or anyone else here knows of a way of ridding those awful tingles/hot and cold flushes do you?
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Not really, but while these (+ bastard leg ache etc) do probably represent some of the worst experiences of the opi wd I personally find that they are transient, and what may have me banging my head up against a wall while trying to find some glasses so I can focus on reading emergency naughty phone numbers, will have been replaced by spaced out apathy within 30 mins, and of course reverse ad naseum until I start to feel better overall...

But adrenergic agonists (lofexidinde etc) seem to be among the best pharm practises to deal with this - however for the time it takes to sort a prescription out (or do the other thing...) you may find out that it's just easier to ride out the rough bumps anyway. I cannot think of another way to avoid this without using poppies of some description (including loperamide) which while they may balance out the peaks and troughs of the syndrome this may be traded off against an increase in the time it takes to get well.

Good luck!

EDIT - and with regard to the bastard pain, despite having a massive taste in narcotics I find that ibuprofen works surprisingly well, especially if taken in central European doses as a pose F.U.B.A.R. - <<<what the fuck does that mean????to UK / Eire (600mg bd as a pose to 400 x 4 whenever things get really sore)
 
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steewith2ees said:
Not really, but while these (+ bastard leg ache etc) do probably represent some of the worst experiences of the opi wd I personally find that they are transient, and what may have me banging my head up against a wall while trying to find some glasses so I can focus on reading emergency naughty phone numbers, will have been replaced by spaced out apathy within 30 mins, and of course reverse ad naseum until I start to feel better overall...

But adrenergic agonists (lofexidinde etc) seem to be among the best pharm practises to deal with this - however for the time it takes to sort a prescription out (or do the other thing...) you may find out that it's just easier to ride out the rough bumps anyway. I cannot think of another way to avoid this without using poppies of some description (including loperamide) which while they may balance out the peaks and troughs of the syndrome this may be traded off against an increase in the time it takes to get well.

Good luck!

EDIT - and with regard to the bastard pain, despite having a massive taste in narcotics I find that ibuprofen works surprisingly well, especially if taken in central European doses as a pose to UK / Eire (600mg bd as a pose to 400 x 4 whenever things get really sore)
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Deeply appreciate that post steewith2ees.

Lofexidinde I'll look into as I've heard it being mentioned around various opiate discussion forums however researched into it I haven't as of yet. Immodium I do have (though plan on getting more) and some Neurophen Plus (Ibuprophen + Codeine) which is running out. Probably best to steer clear of the codeine though right? Its nice to have a security measure because in a state of desperation I'll grab the codeine as opposed to my phone to score.

Lemsips work wonders for me before bed, especially for fever and aches but in the case of fever not quite enough.
I have access to medium quality Roche 10's so thats the anxiety dealt with - picked up 20 of those today. Dealers mind was blown that I wasnt scoring brown. I'm sure he cycled away thinking "That cunt'll be back in 2 days max"...but newp, jokes on him. Might well be back for valium but not for nought else I'll assure you.


@BecomingJulie: It took me 2-3 weeks to feel better and a further week to make a total of four to feel like an enhanced version of my old self from a two year methadone regime at 90mls daily; jumping off as soon as I reached my first 5ml dose and didn't return. I did that as cold turkey as you can at that point, ie with zero comfort meds, no sleeping tablets so as you can imagine I will NEVER go back to Methadone EVER again.

Heroin simply shouldnt take as long as that just based on everything we know so I'd give myself 10-14 days. I *will* have a happy update to post by then, the 11th-12th of December. Just in time for this thing we call Christmas.

I'll keep active on the forums as much as I can until then with regular updates. For the record (even though the night has yet to come) this has been Day 1.
 
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steewith2ees said:
Not really, but while these (+ bastard leg ache etc) do probably represent some of the worst experiences of the opi wd I personally find that they are transient, and what may have me banging my head up against a wall while trying to find some glasses so I can focus on reading emergency naughty phone numbers, will have been replaced by spaced out apathy within 30 mins, and of course reverse ad naseum until I start to feel better overall...

But adrenergic agonists (lofexidinde etc) seem to be among the best pharm practises to deal with this - however for the time it takes to sort a prescription out (or do the other thing...) you may find out that it's just easier to ride out the rough bumps anyway. I cannot think of another way to avoid this without using poppies of some description (including loperamide) which while they may balance out the peaks and troughs of the syndrome this may be traded off against an increase in the time it takes to get well.

Good luck!

EDIT - and with regard to the bastard pain, despite having a massive taste in narcotics I find that ibuprofen works surprisingly well, especially if taken in central European doses as a pose to UK / Eire (600mg bd as a pose to 400 x 4 whenever things get really sore)
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Please forgive me for being a cunt, but the correct term is 'as opposed to', not 'as a pose to'.

Yours Sincerely,

Herr Fubzshmitt ze grammar nazi.
 
steewith2ees said:
Hows the Latyn? xx
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Fuckin shit, actually =D

I was on a training course once and the trainer kept using the phrase 'as opposed to' in totally the wrong context. Instead of meaning 'in contrast to', he was using it to mean 'in support of' - which got extremely confusing and I just couldn't take him seriously. Still, he was a fat clayhead so it's hardly surprising ;)
 
I have some sort of cognitive dyslexia where I often write things as they sound in my head, and on occasion pronounce things as I visualise them. The most embarrassing one that springs to mind was when I repeatedly pronounced apartheid like "aparr - theed" before I realised what I was doing, as I had been asked to repeat it, unconsciously repeating the performance just for the amusement of the fans...
 
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