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EADD Heroin discussion v.20 -- You've come a long way baby

(This is meant as a response to Tryptamite a few posts above - great name btw.)

I don't use other opiates on top of meth - not for about 3 years now ( basically since The Drought hit.) My problem is not having something to facilitate getting out of bed for. 8mg green doesnt offer that anymore so I keep making the mistake of ordering RC benzos which of course I always mix with booze and meth, end up losing a week and wondering how I've still got a family/job. I was just wondering if a switch to bupe would provide (however briefly) the motivation through chemical means that I can't seem to do without.
 
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Hiya Fubar, nice to see you back. Had wondered where you'd gotten to..

I've never had a meth script so I can't talk from personal experience but I know a lot of people switch to bupe when the meth doesn't quite cut it at low doses, it seems fairly common these days.. I'm sure you're aware of that though otherwise you wouldn't be asking.

I've been on a bupe a few times and it has been a god send for me, as long as my heads in the right place it really works well for me..YMMV etc etc .

I'd say it's definitely worth a try though. The other option isn't so appealing is it when you've gone so long.. hang in there ;)
 
This is something I'm kind of dreading. Although never used heroin or owt have been prescribed methadone pills for a LONG time for my back...But, after a recent surgery I've decided I could do without them mainly because my back is much, much better but also I'm sick of the bullshit with my GP who deeply resents the fact that the pain specialist told him to prescribe these when fentanyl patches didn't work. Plus he's a total cunt who for whatever reason doesn't seem to like me and has caused me all sorts of dramas with work and the DVLA which I won't go into but if it wasn't for some understanding people could have cost me my job......(what a cunt)

Anyway I've gone from 180 to 110 in the last 7 weeks which was easy but the later part of the taper I'm kind of dreading as I've been on painkillers for 20 years and can't really remember not being on them. 2015 is going to be really tough but I (think) I'm up to it ;)
 
when i was in prison,i went in with a 60ml a day meth script.the prison didn't insist,like some,that i detox,but i wanted to.once i got below 40ml,i started having some real issues,and because of my mental health history and my genuine pain needs,the doc switched me to a fent patch.but i still had to rattle out the meth.
when i got out of prison,i told my very understanding gp that i couldn't get the patches to stay on,so she switched me to MST,which i find very good.no real cravings and i have used once every 2 months or so.but starting to realise even that is a waste of good cash and am enjoying having some money for the first time in many years.christmas was a breeze and i still have cash.nice.drank a whole bottle of baileys yesterday-always happens once i open a bottle of that stuff...with 3x 2mg xanax,i was very sleepy by 9pm.
 
Last year I transitioned from 180mg of methadone to the fent patches without too much pain. I started on 75mcg fent then 100, 125, 150. I had kept about 2000mg of meth at home as a safety net but didn't need it. In the end I had a (probably dyslexic) GP who used to script me 300mmcg of fent patches every 48hours instead of 150 and then it went tits up so I switched back to methadone pills. Didn't like the fent patches much. You would wake up in pain and intense WDs only to find your patch stuck to your pillow (lucky it hadn't stuck to my other half lol!). They are total shit IMO...especially Matrifen but that's a whole other thread
 
fent patches for pain relief just arent pratical especially in the summer when you sweat - dont get me wrong the drug is excellent its the roa that leyts it down - for me under the tongue or against the cheek, but thats just for rec purposes
 
blondin said:
fent patches for pain relief just arent pratical especially in the summer when you sweat - dont get me wrong the drug is excellent its the roa that leyts it down - for me under the tongue or against the cheek, but thats just for rec purposes
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That was what I resorted to doing. You can put them in place with tagaderm patches but even that doesn't really work.

Fent sublingually or bucally can get messy fast...I was going through 6 50mcg patches a day at one point. It's so short acting that your in pain (or WDs) within an hour or two.

Although I do know a chronic pain patient who only uses them bucally exclusively and seems to manage OK.
 
I had them in prison,stuck with Tegaderm over the top;had to be signed by administrating nurse,so they could tell if it had been tampered with in any way.was also told not to tell anyone,cos i could be bullied into letting others have a go with it and they also didn't want a string of addicts coming down and asking for it.
when i got out of jail,there was no tegaderm and i would stick them on my ass,hoping my pants would keep it on,but i would often find them in the bottom of my trousers or on the floor-so moved onto MST which is way better all round
have to say though,first day out,i 'cheeked' half a patch and was wasted,but subsequent attempts were fruitless.Also,I had several friends that wanted to buy/trade the patches-they seemed very popular,but my own wellness took priority so i moved to the pills
 
Where it all went tits up for me is that my dose was meant to be 3 x 50mcg (total dose 150mcg) every 48hrs. All fine except my senile dipshit of a GP for whatever reasons prescribed SIX x 50mcg every 48 hours instead!! Hard to believe anyone could be that stupid but true I'm afraid.

Anyway I was having great difficulty getting them to stick. The only place that would work was my right hip but the sites needed to be located so It became impossible and they were STILL coming off every time a had a shower (baths were just impossible with them on - they would come straight off afterwards). Well I then decided cheecking them...not for the high vut just to get some relief. Only problem is that onve you start doing that all the time your tolerance goes up like a rocked.

48It got to the point that even 300mcg every 24hours wasn't enough. At that point I knew to call it a day and rotate back on to methadone pills (of which I've reduced from 180mg down to 100mg in the last 2 months,
 
I'm so chuffed that for once I had the self discipline to score a few bags before Xmas and not smoke them before Xmas.
I fought temptation to take them away with me and I was so pleased I had when I got back home today. Was so nice to have a couple of etiz and then smoke a bag,chill out for a few hours and now I still have one bag left to toot any minute now. Life is great today =D
 
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I'm so chuffed that for once I had the self discipline to score a few bags before Xmas and not smoke them before Xmas.
I fought temptation to take them away with me and I was so pleased I had when I got back home today. Was so nice to have a couple of etiz and then smoke a bag,chill out for a few hours and now I still have one bag left to toot any minute now. Life is great today =D
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Really glad you're having fun max but please mate be careful mixing the brown with those etiz.....

I only say it cos I care mate.

Much love <3 ;)
 
Thanks mate,I know you come from a good place.I've only taken 2-3mg etiz so not gone overboard, have no wish to become a statistic. I have an ex addict best friend with me in case anything ever did go awry so am safe as can be. Thanks for caring though mate,your'e a good man
 
Spent last night in a lovely gouched out way. Woke up this morning to a tooter which had collected a nice bit of gear and went down well with my morning cuppa
 
Mate speaking from experience with methadone (but none from H). The WDs can take ages to hit sometimes and 80ml is quite a lot. A couple of years back I (stupidly) decided to stop completely just to assess how bad my pain actually was. On day 3 I even went to the gym and did a full workout and I was thinking "this is fuck all" then by day 5-6 it hit me like a ton a of bricks!!

Not sure how much experience you have with meth and it's WD syndrome but the first couple of days can be totally painless due to the half-life and then when plasma levels drop below a certain level the pain starts and as they continue to fall it just gets worse (remember due to short half life plasma levels are falling very slowly with blood levels only halving every 24-36 hours). This means that for your plasma (blood) levels to fall really low to the point that full on sickness hits you it can take almost a week. That's not to say that you will be feeling OK up until then as you won't...you'll be feeling progressively worse by the day. What I mean is that it takes almost a weak for the WDs to peak (as oppose to things like heroin, morphine or oxycodone etc. where the WDs would nearly be over after the 7-8 day mark). In that respect, methadone sucks!!

I really wish you all the best though mate and hope it's not too tough.

Do you have a long term plan of sorts?
 
yeah. ive time off work. got clean and felt great but rekapsed so im now skint and mind crushingly bored. hope im alright new year. if not ill have to get some kit and wait till after new year. wds are sore as fuck but its their inconveinience (work, partiesj etc. that i cant enjoy cos im sick. of lord just drop a litre of green im my lap now!
 
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