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EADD Heroin discussion v.20 -- You've come a long way baby

I went thru 10 years of addiction with to my only credit a couple of periods of prlonged abstinence in the middle there somewhere
. every time i got 'clean' tho i had to do it on my own ct like you i was desperate for none of this to end up on my medical records. i had to surrender back in the spring tho as my personal situation was becoming completely chaotic and i needed the kind of stability that only substitute treatment can grant. what implications that will have regarding my access to medications in the future i dread to think but its a bridge i will have to cross when i get there.

Wolverhampton update - new batch of kit is beggining to get around alot of the dealers this week, dark, almost choco looking coarse powder, strength isnt quite as good as the last lot but its still acceptable.
 
That's a dilemma a lot of people face I.e. not wanting drug use or addiction to appear on your medical records for fear of being treated negatively in the future by the medical profession. I'm not gonna lie and say a person won't be treated any differently because they probably will.....partly out of ingrained prejudice but also partly out of safety concerns. It depends a lot on the individual medical professional concerned. I never judge anyone but that's partly due to my own experiences with being prescribed opiates and partly due to the fact that I've taken the time to get to know more about drugs and the reasons people take them. A lot of doctors, nurses, paramedics etc. have no knowledge or experience of drugs at all and their "education " on the subject comes from a few hours at college or from reading the daily mail.

Peoples biggest concerns generally stem from "what will happen if I have an accident and need emergency pain relief?". I think its always better to admit to opiate use in these situations. I can't speak for what a doctor would do but the only options available to a paramedic are morphine (oral, IV or IM)...but the maximum that'sallowed to be administered is 20mg IV usually in two lots of 10..or a 10 and 2 lots of 5...titrated to the pictorial pain scale., entanox (oxygen and nitrous) or in very severe cases IV ketamine. That lot may not seems much but I've yet to meet a person who's pain could not be brought at least somewhat under control by skillfull and measured use of these substances.
 
englandgz74 said:
That's a dilemma a lot of people face I.e. not wanting drug use or addiction to appear on your medical records for fear of being treated negatively in the future by the medical profession. I'm not gonna lie and say a person won't be treated any differently because they probably will.....partly out of ingrained prejudice but also partly out of safety concerns. It depends a lot on the individual medical professional concerned. I never judge anyone but that's partly due to my own experiences with being prescribed opiates and partly due to the fact that I've taken the time to get to know more about drugs and the reasons people take them. A lot of doctors, nurses, paramedics etc. have no knowledge or experience of drugs at all and their "education " on the subject comes from a few hours at college or from reading the daily mail.

Peoples biggest concerns generally stem from "what will happen if I have an accident and need emergency pain relief?". I think its always better to admit to opiate use in these situations. I can't speak for what a doctor would do but the only options available to a paramedic are morphine (oral, IV or IM)...but the maximum that'sallowed to be administered is 20mg IV usually in two lots of 10..or a 10 and 2 lots of 5...titrated to the pictorial pain scale., entanox (oxygen and nitrous) or in very severe cases IV ketamine. That lot may not seems much but I've yet to meet a person who's pain could not be brought at least somewhat under control by skillfull and measured use of these substances.
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I used entanox whilst in the ambulance,but post op-and they knew about the level of morphine i take every day-they just gave me a drip that could administer 5-10mg at a time-so absolutely nothing really.If I hadn't been in so much pain and so sick,maybe I woulda thought to suggest ketamine as I reckon that would have helped a lot
 
kkattastic said:
I used entanox whilst in the ambulance,but post op-and they knew about the level of morphine i take every day-they just gave me a drip that could administer 5-10mg at a time-so absolutely nothing really.If I hadn't been in so much pain and so sick,maybe I woulda thought to suggest ketamine as I reckon that would have helped a lot
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If you think the restrictions on morphine are seveer the ones on ketamine are much, much tighter. Firstly its only ever administered in acute cases of massive trauma and even then only paramedic team leaders can give it. Whileit uundoubtedly would help, the chances of them giving you it are very slim indeed.
 
Got my hands on a bit of above average quality heroin, and its mostly all good, runs great, only thing is it takes a huge amount of Vit C to dissolve (nearly a whole packet for a moderate sized shot over 4x what i normally use), which can't be good for my veins. Anyone know why this takes so much more and if there's a way i can dissolve it with less? And would Citric work better than vit C, i know its a stronger acid bit more harmful
 
Try looking up the video on youtube about how much citric acid you really need to dissolve diacetalmorphine.... Its usually much less than you think...anything undissolved is probably cuts.

Search youtube under "how much citric"..... The video is made by a company called exchange supplies who make the citric sachets.
 
englandgz74 said:
Try looking up the video on youtube about how much citric acid you really need to dissolve diacetalmorphine.... Its usually much less than you think...anything undissolved is probably cuts.

Search youtube under "how much citric"..... The video is made by a company called exchange supplies who make the citric sachets.
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ive never used vit c but with regards to citric i only ever use a few crumbs as this should be enough to dissolve the gear completely. anythink that survives this first round will be the cut and needs filtering. I despair at people chucking tons of acid into the spoon untill they get a 100% liquid product - they are just creating highly acidic cocktails with god knows what dissolved in it. Aside from the complications that some of the bulking agents create alone, the pH of the solutions people are injecting means that those veins are going to end up chargrilled and collapsed at an even faster rate than your average cranker.

Well done Julie i bet 2 weeks feels like eons. Is this a planned break or is this the start of a more permenant change in behaviour?

Down my ends the kit has changed back to the better stuff again, the nice rocky pale gear we were getting 3 weeks ago. Still in desperate need of a tolerance break - i was like a kid on christmas morning yesterday when i realised that the stronger stuff was back, 2 bags had me glowing nicely and then i went and spoilt it all by going for my supervised methadone. thought id give it a couple of hours so spent the afternoon on the xbox and waited untill teatime before trying to restart the session. Still no good - i mainlined the first bag and then chainsmoked a further 5, making sure i always had a spliff on the go as well. As long as i was smoking i felt ok but i only had to stop for 2 minutes for a piss or something and the effect would quickly wear off. Got a 20 minute half nod at the end of it all and that was it. Im going to try and give it 1 more go tomorrow as i can skip my sunday dose if not required but im seeing the dsp in 10 days so it sounds like a good point to stop using on top untill after then.
 
This is spot on Ste....the amount of acid (be it vit c or citric) needed to turn diamorphine base into its hydrochloride salt is very small.
I think some people see stuff still floating in their spoon and feel that they are somehow wasting something but all they are doing by adding more acid is dissolving the insoluble cuts and creating a solution with such a low pH that they destroy their veins.
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ive never used vit c but with regards to citric i only ever use a few crumbs as this should be enough to dissolve the gear completely. anythink that survives this first round will be the cut and needs filtering. I despair at people chucking tons of acid into the spoon untill they get a 100% liquid product - they are just creating highly acidic cocktails with god knows what dissolved in it. Aside from the complications that some of the bulking agents create alone, the pH of the solutions people are injecting means that those veins are going to end up chargrilled and collapsed at an even faster rate than your average cranker.
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steewith2ees said:
Well done Julie i bet 2 weeks feels like eons. Is this a planned break or is this the start of a more permenant change in behaviour?
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This is just a temporary break, to get rid of a tolerance. There's a strong possibility of encountering some gear soon. However, if it leads to a binge of any length, I think I will try a slight change to my coming-off procedure this time. Which is why I was wondering earlier, whether a beetle on foil goes off quickly or retains its potency for some time .....

englandgz74 said:
This is spot on Ste....the amount of acid (be it vit c or citric) needed to turn diamorphine base into its hydrochloride salt is very small.
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Strictly speaking, only hydrochloric acid will turn it into its hydrochloride salt; citric acid will give the citrate salt, while vitamin C -- aka ascorbic acid -- will make the ascorbate. It is the diamorphinium+ ions that you are interested in. If you wanted, you could re-precipitate out the freebase from the filtered solution by adding a strong alkali and discarding the liquid.

It still isn't pure (because the process will carry through anything that is soluble in acid, insoluble in alkali) ..... but in practice, most cutting agents are either insoluble in acid, and will be left behind at stage one; or soluble in alkali, and will be left behind at stage two.
 
englandgz74 said:
If you think the restrictions on morphine are seveer the ones on ketamine are much, much tighter. Firstly its only ever administered in acute cases of massive trauma and even then only paramedic team leaders can give it. Whileit uundoubtedly would help, the chances of them giving you it are very slim indeed.
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I am talking about post-op,when specialists from pain management came to see me cos they couldn't get my pain under control
in the end,what helped me most was my scripted clonazepam,cos it helped relax the muscles which were causing the most pain
it was an emergency surgery where they removed part of my bowel-no keyhole surgery-more a 'put your hand in and slop around her intestine' kinda thing.
It's been a month since my surgery and I am still very bloated and feeling sick etc.Saw my folks today who were shocked at how much I have swollen up again-terrified of going back to the hospital as another go at removing bowel,will almost certainly result in a colostomy bag-which I am just not ready for.Also,struggling to stand up straight-whilst already taking 400mg morphine a day-so I can only imagine the pain I would be experiencing if I wasn't taking that.seeing my surgeon in a few weeks so gotta try to make it through till then.
 
Well, I caved in tonight and went out and scored a bag. The time off has certainly worked. I've smoked 86 cm. worth, and am already nodding to the point where I am having difficulty typing, using the cursor movement and backspace keys almost as heavily as the letters.

Really looking forward to next Sunday when, if all goes to plan, I should be having a crafty toot on a steam train! How often does anyone get the chance to do that?! With Lauren (whom I have mentioned before, a long time ago).
 
For first time since 2010 drought i can buy an eight ball with my giro (and still have a 20£ note left).
Although i start new job tommorow
 
Its a sad indictment on the government that a guy only has a purple note left for food, gas and electricity left after purchasing himself an eighth of an ounce of heroin......fuck Cameron!! Haha!!
 
BecomingJulie said:
Well, I caved in tonight and went out and scored a bag. The time off has certainly worked. I've smoked 86 cm. worth, and am already nodding to the point where I am having difficulty typing, using the cursor movement and backspace keys almost as heavily as the letters..
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Forgive me if I'm being thick here but did you just say 86cm worth?.....what do you mean by that exactly?....If I'm right in thinking that you mean the length of the heroin trail as it runs down the foil then does 86cm (well over3 quaters of a metre) not seem like an awful lot?
 
tolerance progress

didnt take yestersdays meth (as im on supervised sunday isthe only day i have this choice) but i pulled a killer manouver today - I walked into the pharmacists today and managed to swap todays dose with a previously prepared empty when the chemist wasnt looking. Ninja! now i have 48 hours methadone free - ive been doing housework all morning and intend to carry on with this untill teatime after which i intend to have my first bong (my first drug of any kind today) of the day and hit the xbox. Im trying to do the normal thing - have a productive day around the house and my dads social club, and saving my first dunt of weed until all the days responsibilities have been seen to (im normally stoned within half an hour of waking) And then the icing on the cake - come bedtime ill be 2 and a half days methadone free - hopefully the 14mg of diclazepam and 0.8 grams of decent heroin waiting for me should finally provide me with the buzz that has eluded me this last fortnight. plus due to this morning's shadyness i have another 60mls of jollop to add to the stash.......
 
That's canny mate....proper Houdini trick that!!
I had a right scare this weekend. I'd just picked up a weeks worth of my pain meds, 250x5mg methadone pills, 28x5mg diazepam and 14x300mg pregabalin plus odds and ends. Anyway I came home and emptied my bag on my bed when one of my housemates knocked on my bedroom door....bearing in mind he's a 17stone meathead who's out on licence for shooting someone and will take any drug under the sun if he can find it, I was a bit retiscent about him seeing my stash so I unconvincingly threw a coat over it and mumbled some shit about it not being mine and belonging to a "patient"... Before he could see anymore I scooped it all up and shoved it in my sock drawer. Well long story short, he was in and out of my room all morning cos we sometimes watch boxing and UFC DVDs together.... When he finally left I looked in the drawer and all the methadone pills and diazepam were GONE!!. I tore my room apart but no sign. I wanted to go straight to the law but if you'd ever met this dude you'd understand that he's not a man to go to the police about and accuse him of nabbing your pain killers. Anyway after 2 hours of looking for them I decided I had to do something as I would have nothing for a full week and going from my huge dose to zero for 7 days would be unimaginable....anyway I spoke to the cops but told them I thought I'd lost them when I was out shopping and they gave me an appointment to speak to a DC at 9:00pm. I then phoned 111 and got to speak to a doctor and she directed me to an out of hours clinic and told me if I brought along some empty boxes as proof they would give me 2 days worth until I could get to see my GP and get them replaced...(or so they said). When I eventually arrived at the clinic the doctor was an absolute cunt and basically threw the empty boxes back across the desk at me and told me in no uncertain terms to fuck off...I was flabbergasted!!!... I then got home around 8:30pm and thought I'd have one last look around my room and see if I could find them before my appointment at the cop shop....low and behold there they were stuffed in my steel toecap black work boots....I have no recollection of putting them there at all..but must have stashed them at some point when my dodgy housemate wasn't looking... Needless to say I have never been more relieved in my life!!!!

Moral of the story.......when your nutcase housemate comes knocking on your bedroom door to show you his new UFC video...make sure your stash is well hidden in advance.....and try to remember where you've hidden it
 
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why is it dopeheads always lose shit. its stupid, then u find it somewhere youve checked 20 times or somewhere you dont remember putting it, i lose and find shit on a daily basis. The worse is after work realise paraphanalias gone then shit yourself thinking did it fall out my pocket or sumet. ive lost count how amny times ive gone thru shit like that. hasnt actually happened yet anyway
 
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