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EADD Heroin Discussion Nininininineteen [19] (I wasn't really sure what was going on)

No ash, but you could I suppose.

Basically you have to be quite gentle with the flame to start with, you want the gear to 'melt' into the gauze. Also inhale gentle you dont want heroin powder being sucked through into your mouth! You will see if you do it right the gear 'melting' NOT burning.

You want the gear to be inside the gauze. Then you turn the pipe to the side about 60degrees, the reason being when you smoke you dont want all the gear just going straight to the bottom of your pipe when you smoke, cus thats a pain to scrap out.

Once you have 'melted' the gear have the pipe angled to the side, you can be a bit rougher with the flame. but never put the flame on the gauze for more than a second.

The best way is to fan the gauze with the flame. If this makes sense. (There are other little tips. like having a small bit of gauze in the join of the pipe just to catch any gear that manages to escape the main gauze.)
 
Sounds very tricky and mastering the technique must be pretty costly in gear for a while. So you're using the gauze itself as the matrix to hold the gear? Are you using just standard pipe gauzes? How about stacking a few gauzes on top of each other to give a deeper matrix? Do you get a bigger hit this way than chasing? Soz for all the questions but I'm intrigued - I almost want to start doing gear again to experiment :-)
 
When I say gauze I mean wire wool!


Yeah in spliffs it is awful. I got really desperate with WD few year ago, i tried gear in cig. Complete and utter waste.

I got introduced to smoking gear on with a pipe and gauze, couple of much older junkies did it, hence I did! And looking a newbies with foil I would say its the same if not easier. If I showed you face to face you would be able to do it very quickly. Just sounds complicated.

Yeah you deffo get a better rush from a pipe. Now my foil technique aint that bad, but I've had old users who use foil give me funny looks, but when they try it they are generally pretty impressed. You get a much bigger hit.

The great thing is the secondary gauze (wirewool) inside pipe gets lush potent stuff in it. By this I mean those pipes which come apart, in the join underneath main 'cauldron'
 
Yep there is a risk of that, so it has to be very compact as well, in a way I think having it as compact as possible is more important.

I could never transfer to foil, just not the same! Great thing is scraping (sp?) out the pipe.

Added bonus is you can have a sneeky pipe anywhere with no worry of the noise of tin foil!
 
Any of you ever get bad shakes / tremors straight after shooting up?.. It goes away gradually but it lasts a bit of time. It's not down to the gear because it just happened to the person and doesn't happen to the other.
 
Sounds like the legendary 'bad hit' to me, though what causes it I'm not sure. Could be an excessive histamine reaction? The only time I experienced something similar was when I was young and stupid and used brown vinegar to cook up with - cue intense itching, flushing, rapid heart beat and generally feeling shite!
 
I don't think bad hit FUBAR because felt fine after it settled down and was nodding off for a good length of time. It was most intense straight after the hit until I got somewhere to sit down and after about a hour I guess I felt like a normal stone.. It was just straight after it until I sat down and if I tried to get up and talk to anyone that I felt trembly and very very shaky...

Maybe something in the gear but then it didn't happen to any1 else who was there? Or maybe just that I took slightly more than usual (I.e. 0.2 instead of 0.15).. Also my tolerance would have been lower cause didn't have anything in 17-18 days (apart from a very weak smoke which was 0.3 split 3 ways) so maybe it was just too much?

I smoked about 0.15 of the stuff today and have the same again left gonna shoot that in a hour or so and see what happens because that will definitely be less than I took yday and Friday when I had the shakes / trembles
 
"Cotton Fever" perhaps? Similar to a bad hit only tends to be shorter and you still feel the effects of the gear once you stop shaking, shivering and aching like a bastard. This may well be nowt but junky lore but supposedly it's caused by getting tiny, microscopic even, cotton fibres in the barrel. How this causes the shakes, chills and aches I'm not sure. I know I've had it happen a few times though and always when using shonky cotton stuffs for a filter (the end of a cotton bud and cotton wool specifically - was all that was to hand).

As I say, no idea how "street knowledge" relates to actual factual stuffs but I've always known those kinda reactions as "Cotton Fever". Dirty hits are similar but tend to last a lot longer and you don't feel the gear at all usually.

EDIT: Re-reading your post, an hour or so of shaking and feeling shite followed by nodding sounds exactly like what I know as Cotton Fever. It's just one of those things that most IV users of any drug will come across sooner or later if they get unlucky with filter material. And can certainly only affect one person out of a group cos not everybody will necessarily pull up strands of cotton even if using the same filter (which you shouldn't - risk of cross-contamination, blood-borne viruses and the like).
 
@wycote - when I saw your post earlier about smoking on a pipe I thought to myself, as others have, "never seen or heard of that ROA" in all my years.

Anyways, I spoke with a mate earlier asking if he'd heard of it, to which he said 'yeah, and so have you, we've smoked gear on a pipe'....! Turns out id forgotten (unsurprisingly) about a bizarre night down London, drinking with diazs. Found ourselves in Soho getting a young homeless lad to score for us, we had no foil and he used the pipe technique, I do vaguely remember now being sat in a doorway smoking this pipe and feeling somewhat underwhelmed, this mid drought though so not a fair assessment.

Not sure why im sharing this dull anecdote, im extremely bored..
 
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"Cotton Fever" perhaps? Similar to a bad hit only tends to be shorter and you still feel the effects of the gear once you stop shaking, shivering and aching like a bastard. This may well be nowt but junky lore but supposedly it's caused by getting tiny, microscopic even, cotton fibres in the barrel. How this causes the shakes, chills and aches I'm not sure. I know I've had it happen a few times though and always when using shonky cotton stuffs for a filter (the end of a cotton bud and cotton wool specifically - was all that was to hand).

As I say, no idea how "street knowledge" relates to actual factual stuffs but I've always known those kinda reactions as "Cotton Fever". Dirty hits are similar but tend to last a lot longer and you don't feel the gear at all usually.

EDIT: Re-reading your post, an hour or so of shaking and feeling shite followed by nodding sounds exactly like what I know as Cotton Fever. It's just one of those things that most IV users of any drug will come across sooner or later if they get unlucky with filter material. And can certainly only affect one person out of a group cos not everybody will necessarily pull up strands of cotton even if using the same filter (which you shouldn't - risk of cross-contamination, blood-borne viruses and the like).

Yeh, I was initially gonna suggest cotton fever, but I have no idea if it actually exists or is just 'street knowledge' as you said Shambles. Glad you're over it anyway mate :-)

You reckon it could be cotton fever guys yeah?...I always thought cotton fever would make you feel really, really sick which I didn't it was mainly a strong trembling / shake.. but I was really fucked up so that's why I thought it might have been just that gear was too much for me, since like I said my tolerance could have dropped over 17-18 days of non-use & I guess since I was so fucked it could have masked any other symptoms like an actual fever

- However now that I remember it we were rushing and I didn't use the built in filter on the end of the syringe (the syringes we get from the exchange here have a built in filter that you use to draw up the solution - handy & safer as it avoids having to use a cotton tip / cigarette filter)..anyway it was a good length of time before I used that particular make of works so I forgot about the built in filter and my mate ripped the filter from a cigarette and it was definitely not torn cleanly - it was ripped in two pieces & I remember you could see strands on the filter so it's quite possible now the more I think of it that it could have been cotton fever... I had thought there might be chance it was mental also because he can't hit himself so I had to for him which I never did for anyone that was right after my shot and obviously then was when I noticed the shaking, but that wouldn't last an hour or longer so that's a bit of a stretch I think the cotton particle thing makes more sense.. although this happened Friday and on Sat. used the built in feature thing and still got the shakes but it was absolutely nothing in comparison to Fridays,...

anyway thanks for the time guys and yip feeling much better FUBAR, I actually did feel fine after an hour or so and enjoyed my high - hell I even enjoyed when I had the shakes they were just quite visible to everyone around me at the time!!!

I shot the last of my stuff there at exactly 8 O clock (I know because I got a bet on the Dever Broncos on just in time and that tipped off 20.00) - I didn't get any shakes but I must have blacked out for half an hour because I got a lovely rush after I shot it but I woke up lying flat on my floor...now that's scary when I think of it, there is nobody else here if I got sick I could have choked on my vomit. I don't get it because I used less in this shot than I used on Fridays one, plus I had my dinner at like 19.00 where as on Friday I was on a pretty empty stomach.. that's the scarier part
 
I'm gonna get someone to bring me some coke I might take a small shot of it... Shambles you had experience on this right? I remember I made a thread before about IV coke and people were not too happy at all that I made it - I just wanted to check with you, is it a bad idea to heat the solution or should I just mix it with clean water?... is it bad to try to make it a clear solution by heating it or should I just shoot whatever dissolves & filters in the cold water?

I like coke IV and I have only done it like 4-5 times maximum so people don't jump down my throats
 
Personally I always added a lil heat. However, I'm not so sure this is actually best practice. I'd never heard of HR when I was doing that kinda stuff. In theory, actual coke should dissolve in cold water. If it were I - and I was aiming for the HR approach - I'd stick with cold water only leave it for a good 10mins or so to dissolve. There'll still be fuckloads of crap left but that should be plenty of time for the actual coke (assuming there is any in your "coke") to go into solution. I've done the same with a number of things that don't really need heating and it works a treat. If you add heat you'll inevitibly dissolve cuts into your solution. Obviously I (and many, many others) are still alive despite heating our coke solutions, but it's never a good idea to deliberately shoot cut. I simply had no idea I was doing it badly back then cos there was nobody to tell me otherwise.

So to recap, cold water, leave for 10 mins or so, filter, shoot. If you really can't wait then maybe add a lil heat but bear in mind most (if not all) of the extra powder that dissolves will be cut. Whether active (:() or inactive (:\) that's bad news. Not saying you'll die or owt cos you won't (all things being equal) but it's just not best practice. Shooting cut when you don't need to is just asking for trouble really. I consider myself lucky to have gotten away with all the shitty practice I used to practice before I knew better.

Also, enjoy =D
 
Personally I always added a lil heat. However, I'm not so sure this is actually best practice. I'd never heard of HR when I was doing that kinda stuff. In theory, actual coke should dissolve in cold water. If it were I - and I was aiming for the HR approach - I'd stick with cold water only leave it for a good 10mins or so to dissolve. There'll still be fuckloads of crap left but that should be plenty of time for the actual coke (assuming there is any in your "coke") to go into solution. I've done the same with a number of things that don't really need heating and it works a treat. If you add heat you'll inevitibly dissolve cuts into your solution. Obviously I (and many, many others) are still alive despite heating our coke solutions, but it's never a good idea to deliberately shoot cut. I simply had no idea I was doing it badly back then cos there was nobody to tell me otherwise.

So to recap, cold water, leave for 10 mins or so, filter, shoot. If you really can't wait then maybe add a lil heat but bear in mind most (if not all) of the extra powder that dissolves will be cut. Whether active (:() or inactive (:\) that's bad news. Not saying you'll die or owt cos you won't (all things being equal) but it's just not best practice. Shooting cut when you don't need to is just asking for trouble really. I consider myself lucky to have gotten away with all the shitty practice I used to practice before I knew better.

Also, enjoy =D

Thanks Shambes I'll try to enjoy as best I can =D - the Denver Broncos look like they are paying for my Sunday night debauchery at the minute lol =D

Anyway got 0.33 of it went to his place to get it so we weighed it.. I had to boil my water first in the little metal cooking thing (what is the name for those? Just a cooker is it?) as I forgot to get the sterile water in the chemist so I always boil it first, anyway was able to put the coke in once it had cooled which only took less than a minute - I no rush at all on a nice buzz from the B. I out half the coke in so i guess it'sbetween 0.15 and 0.2 -the solution went cloudy straight away, gonna give it ten minutes like you said that's a good idea and see where I stand then.. don't expect very much from this to be honest, I snorted some last week and it seemed to be fairly what I call 'clean coke' (i.e. mixed with something inactive and tasteless and not some RC or speed haha) but it didn't have much kick off it - though I only had two small lines spread fairly far apart in time so was hard to tell from that..

.. should it be a clear solution or cloudy? I guess cloudy could be a bad sign?
 
It was fine but shows how bad our coke is - there were a ridiculous amount of undissolved particles in there... I put almost a full 1ml syringe of water in the cooker but when I filtered it and drew back there was just under 0.5 of solution in the barrel... nice rushing now though love the taste in my mouth after IV coke but I do feel sick at the same time. ughhhhh nice stuff =D =D =D
 
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