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YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
not if the husband wants to keep his crown jewels no
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In what way would marriage protect the women from the man who raped her before they were married? Does she also magically learn kung foo at the same time?

Seriously interested to know how you can justify ideas like this.
 
Any God who wants to deny a man oysters, bacon and masturbating can just suck my sweaty weiner.



Probably something against that in the Bible too I guess :(
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I don't doubt that, but the majority reside in the West. In many Islamic countries there is almost 100% support for Sharia law, which in my view is not moderate at all.
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FYI, I'm choosing this quote to represent you and your way of debate. Which is basically, state sweeping generalizations or downright falsehoods (lies?) as fact and back them up with the first google hit you think supports your view.

I'd like to see the google hits that support your statement that

In many Islamic countries there is almost 100% support for Sharia law
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Many? Only Iran and Saudi Arabia and some of its satellites come close. And its highly questionable that Iran's population are in support of the institutions that rule them. Not to mention the Bahraini's etc.
Some of the largest Muslim countries, including Indonesia, Bangladesh and Pakistan, have largely secular constitutions and laws, with only a few Islamic law provisions in family law. Turkey has a constitution that is officially strongly secular.

Muslim countries such as Mali, Kazakhstan and Turkey have declared themselves to be secular. Here, religious interference in state affairs, law and politics is prohibited. In these Muslim countries, as well as the secular West, the role of sharia is limited to personal and family matters.

The Nigerian legal system is based on English Common Law and the constitution guarantees freedom of religion and separation of church and State. (However eleven northern states have adopted sharia law for Muslims)

Muslim countries including Afghanistan, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco and Malaysia have legal systems strongly influenced by sharia, but also cede ultimate authority to their constitutions and the rule of law.

So where is this near 100% support for sharia in many non-western muslim countries?

Or are you just being a bit xenophobic/racist?

EDIT - There's one other country that allows its minority muslim population to resolve its own civil and family matters through sharia. Israel.
 
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I think it's also worth pointing out that Sharia is the basic code by which Muslims live and that its interpretation varies from place to place and sect to sect. It tends to be run up the flagpole as shorthand (hahahaha) for the amputation-heavy, woman-hating end of it, but that lot probably have as much in common with most Muslims as moderate Christians have in common with the God Hates Fags brigade. And people with flags tend to have some sort of agenda.

The principal trouble with your debating style is recourse to extreme and unproven leaps of faith like 'almost 100% of...' and 'the majority of...'. I admire your stamina but you shoot yourself in the foot with sweeping generalisations and opinions presented as fact. Which in my view is not moderate at all.
 
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RAHAB (1) 27 Feb 2012
''By faith the harlot Rahab did not perish...'' Hebrews 11:31
For the next few days let's look at the story of Rahab the harlot. She lived in a doomed civilisation. God told Abraham, 'I give to you and your descendants...all the land of Canaan...' (Genesis 17:8 NKJV). Since Rahab lived on the 'wall' of Jericho, in a sense she lived on the 'brink of doom.' So do we. Today leaders are scrambling to stop the spread of nuclear weapons because in the wrong hands they have the power to destroy the world. The Bible speaks of a rider on a red horse with a weapon of such destructive potential, it could remove peace from the earth (Revelation 6:4). Could that be a nuclear device? Peter writes: 'But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God...?' (2 Peter 3:10-12 NKJV). Should we be frightened? No, the death throes of this old order are just the birth pangs of a new one. 'Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found in Him in peace, without spot and blameless' (vv. 13-14 NKJV). What God has in store for His redeemed people-is awesome!
 
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not sure what the politically correct term would be there stone.. ' lady of the night', 'working gilr'?


Its contemporary language and there are loads of female heroines in the bible!
 
Dunno if this has been said already but something that Brian Cox said made a lot of sense and nicely encapsulated the thinking of those who don't take the bible as their moral code book. He said that when Christians read through the bible and pull out the bits that make sense and are morally acceptable, disregarding the other parts that are outdated and just plain wrong they are using a higher moral awareness.

This moral awareness inside ourselves is evidence that we can morally assess actions and circumstances withouth the need for the bible at all. Simply sifting through it for what makes sense is proof enough that we have a moral sense without it.

I don't like to call myself atheistic as that's defining myself within the confines of a religion I don't believe in to begin with. Cox again said that it's a bit like saying "I'm not a stamp collector". Who cares if I am or not, why define myself in such narrow margins.

I see beauty, love and experience amazement without any notion of God or higher powers. The world is an incrediblw place as it is. I don't need to explain it all or give myself up to someone else to feel this.

Sorry if I come across as a Cox lover (oo-er), but he made sense on these points.
 
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Youre free James.. I'll tie a rahab red scarf round you just in case tho.

Hope someone else can chew over your post more sensibly .. My brain hasnt fired up yet. :) x
 
amnesiaseizure said:
This moral awareness inside ourselves is evidence that we can morally assess actions and circumstances withouth the need for the bible at all. Simply sifting through it for what makes sense is proof enough that we have a moral sense without it.

Sorry if I come across as a Cox lover (oo-er), but he made sense on these points.
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It's a very good point, although not original to him (or me either when i made a similar one earlier in the thread).
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
not sure what the politically correct term would be there stone.. ' lady of the night', 'working gilr'?


Its contemporary language and there are loads of female heroines in the bible!
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Shut up woman, you're not even made from God. You're just my spare rib. And you had to touch that apple didn't you? Everything is your fault.

Men rule o.k
 
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