EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

[Smuck_Hey_Dee_Hewitt]

Oh I can assure you that no personal offence was taken.

matt<3ketamine gave you a good counterexample.

People will read your post and make their own minds up about the reliability of you input. You have been frank and that is to be applauded.

Matt´s example must be one of those exceptional cases such as people coming out of rehab with no tolerance and (still ) with traces of whatever meds they were given in there ...1st day out they assume they still can handle that which they used to .
Exceptions such as lack of tolerance ,( relatively rare) health issues ...things of that nature. I maintain that " 2 Mgs of Alprazolam +a bag of Gear is perfectly safe " .
Jokes aside . What do I exactly base the above conclusion in ? Sth which I´m hardly proud of -half my adult life in on and off addiction mode ,thus having been present at literally thousands of instances where people were doing pretty much everything combined.
One of the few times I was forced to call an ambulance ( for that type of combination ) was when some geezer decided that 10mgs of Diazepam = 10 mgs of Alprazolam ,so ,down he chased the entire blister with 160ml of Methadone. Despite my best efforts ,they deemed it a "suicide attempt " so he got 1 month of compulsory psychological care at some Hospital´s psych ward.

Actually, there is another little detail which is pretty revealing as to where mattketamine is coming from : namely, the shoplifting episode without even recalling it proper .
When do we behave like this while under the influence of a benzo? "When we are yet to develop a tolerance to one " (envy that actually ) would be the answer.
One way or another ,I thank matt for bringing this up cause ,yes , I should had added that "it is safe " if you are already experienced with both substances ...people who are new to Brown,in particular ,should tread very carefully before they get into these combos ...
Yeah , nice one ..."100% " comes with a few conditions I downplayed to some extent .

On a final note , sorry for being yet to address those interesting links you sent me about combos and the peculiar effects they have on individuals ,but I just know that it will be extensive with a lot of personal views and opinions ... lot of headache tbph .
One thing is certain ,there is always this Fear of staying in the zone permanently ...that Fear never truly goes away. I´m feeling it now as I ramble away . And it´s only been a couple of months since I last relapsed.
At the same time , I´m also aware from previous detoxes that after a few months/ (if lucky weeks ) of living drug free, meaningful relationships and a functional social life ( this is what works for me, if some people think that they are better off taking any type of medication , who am I to dispute that ? ) . You just stare back at these periods with a mixture of shame and disbelief.
Speak of which , this post just reminded me of a The Birthday Party tune from my youth which I naturally still enjoy ... namely " scatterbrain "... next on the playlist ...
Take care !

 

[Fertile]

Matt´s example must be one of those exceptional cases such as people coming out of rehab with no tolerance and (still ) with traces of whatever meds they were given in there ...1st day out they assume they still can handle that which they used to .

Well no offence, but this is a HR site and telling people something isn't risky when you even had to invoke specific scenario's in your head to justify your statement isn't HR.

If you personally choose to do so, nobody is stopping you. But I've had to administer Narcan 4 times, all people who had been using for years. The only difference was the introduction of moderate doses of benzodiazepines. We have seen a 43% increase in ODs since 'street Valium' became common.

 

[Bleaney]

I've seen somewhere that bromazolam is as much of a flubromazolam analogue as it is alprazolam. I'm confused by this tbh, although to use a posh word, the nomenclature makes more sense if it is a flubromazolam analogue.. Does this mean that bromozlam is a cross between the 2 things in that case, or have I been reading misinformation? Does anyone know? Clearly any flubro analalogue is a different order of magnitute to an alprazolam analogue There will be a world of difference. I dont want to be heavily monged for a very long time, I just want a few short hours anxiety relief or sleep aid.

One thing for sure is that my cognitive performance has been fucked for 2 days straight after using that shit to try to help with sleep for the last 2 nights. At first I thought my fuckedness might be some kind of post weekend modafinil comedown, well maybe there is a bit of that. But I think the larger culprit is the fecking bromozolam. I will have no more tonight and see how things are tomorrow. If I feel much better as a result then those pills are getting binned.

Or at least stashed away as an absolute last resort for use only in the most desperate of times. And hopefully that wont ever happen.

 

[Fertile]

Bromazolam is simply swapping the 8-Cl of alprazolam for a -Br. Flubromazolam is witness to the immense pattern-matching skills to note that the '2-F derivatives of triazolobenzodiazepines are considerably more potent.

1 company seems to sell >90% of the benzophenones used to make RC benzos and I suspect they are coining in on RC makers. Costs went up vastly. But then someone noticed the place and so nitrazolam is likely made from nitrazepam & flunitrazolam from flunitrazepam. They may be controlled as drugs, but the law makes exceptions they are precursors.

But soon they will be gone and so someone needs a new target.

 

[Bleaney]

So in simple, non scientific language (which I don't understand) is Bromazolam basically a cross between Flubromazolam and alprazolam?

And if that is the case, subjectively it feels a lot more like Flubromazolam than Alprazolam.

 

[Fertile]

It's going to be very, very similar to alprazolam. Slightly less potent, slightly slower onset.

 

[Bleaney]

The strange thing is that it doesn't seem to feel like that subjectively. I'll see how I feel tomorrow without taking any more tonight. Maybe it just doesn't agree with me, or maybe there's some unknown impurities in the mix. So many unknown variables and I'm including myself in that.

 

[Fertile]

Well I know that onset can make a huge difference to subjective effect. It won't be as 'fun' but that's good for a medicine. Lower abuse potential.

But who knows how much of what compound(s) were actually in there?

Working out what will produce a positive emotional response is half expectation. That Upjohh went with alprazolam suggests it was the best.

 

[Smuck_Hey_Dee_Hewitt]

Well no offence, but this is a HR site and telling people something isn't risky when you even had to invoke specific scenario's in your head to justify your statement isn't HR.

If you personally choose to do so, nobody is stopping you. But I've had to administer Narcan 4 times, all people who had been using for years. The only difference was the introduction of moderate doses of benzodiazepines. We have seen a 43% increase in ODs since 'street Valium' became common.

None taken ...you guys are actually educating me on new drug trends -I wasn´t aware of all these " fake benzos" , "fentadope " and a seemingly never ending number of new analogues/RC benzos ( well, besides Phenazepam/Etiz. which was already available last time I eventually quit all drugs) circulating about these days .
My experience is obsolete- been 100% detached ( the odd line ,the smoke and the booze in social settings exclusive -that never felt like "addiction " to me ) from that world for nearly a decade -connections, drug buddies, routine ...all gone .
I was basing my replies on what I witnessed in the past - namely, all throughout the 90s till sometime around 2010-2012 (around the time I had "Addiction " under control (again ) -as opposed to "recreational drug use " which can mean 2 completely different things , obviously ).
Plus ,I was narrowing it all down to individuals with a tolerance, healthy and already addicted to brown. My mistake .

Actually, come to think of it , thanks for the info on the "street valium" and all those scams . In the past it wasn´t uncommon for me to score pills off of the streets and these would just be blue and no blister to confirm anything (you have the taste nonetheless ) ...even then ,you just assumed they were prescribed meds (which they always were - again, thousands of times I scored pills and they always turned legit ) .
Well, now that I´m back on the same old entertainment ,perhaps I should be careful about those times my trusted source(s) runs out and I put my faith in strangers so to speak.

As for disagreeing/correcting me, by all means ,what would be this site´s purpose otherwise ? " Tenner bag + 2mgs Xanax 100% safe " ...some kid who never even drunk a can of Stella reads that , finds it a great , heroic idea ...you get the idea ...

 

[Fertile]

It's in constant flux with snide stuff popping up all over. People putting some unspecified benzo onto blotting paper with images of Xanax bars. I suspect overseas nitrazapam and clonazepam pills are now not what they purport to be.

The gear could have all sorts of things in it so mixing unknown A with unknown B. Not good for anyone apart from vendors.

I've seen this before. In 88 pills WERE MDMA and WERE 125mg... but cost £20. But now, who knows? 6-MAPB with a bit of some high-potency cathinone thrown in....

 

[axe battler]

I liked bromazolam. It reminded me more of etizolam than alprazolam, but they're all similar drugs anyway..
Thing is when I tried itzz it was in the fake bensedin diazepam and the dose was unknown. Definitely active and pleasant, but not as strong or sedating.
I'd like to try the pure powder. Thoughts @Lil'LinaptkSix @AutoTripper? Xxx

 

[AutoTripper]

I liked bromazolam. It reminded me more of etizolam than alprazolam, but they're all similar drugs anyway..
Thing is when I tried itzz it was in the fake bensedin diazepam and the dose was unknown. Definitely active and pleasant, but not as strong or sedating.
I'd like to try the pure powder. Thoughts @Lil'LinaptkSix @AutoTripper? Xxx

Hi mate. Wellll. In fact, still in my mind lol, 64-am & I have been concurring on this.


It's such a different pony to Etiz.

One note- I think it HAS to be denser, space vs mg weight wise vs v fluffy Etiz powder.

Like 15 mg's Etiz powder by eye maybe = 25-30 Broma just guessing.

Hence my 1st experience eyeballing equal to Etiz, I possibly took 2 20 mg plus doses atop 10 already Etiz on arrival day, due to density.

That's a wild quant of benzo. I'm not championing or encouraging it.



But dose is everything still. Line to draw.


Broma at high high doses acts unlike Etiz where the karmic side effects are nearly all physical, hangover like.


10 mg's Etiz daily e.g., fair sleep. Not really noticeable bad edge, IME''s.

15 okay but over 12 and side effect territory.


25 of Etiz is too much, doable easy but hangover.


However, Bromazolam acts so differently at equivalent doses.


Etiz has a unique mind mood lifting antidepressant effect.


10 mg's on the head, can like 100 mg's Diazepam ironically awaken, energize the mind total anxiolysis, euphoria plus v sociable too.



Broma more hypnotic by nature, far more sleep inviting.

For myself & 64 it can really empty/dull our minds, and at higher doses has what 64 put to me incl vs Alprazolam I think, a unique to other benzos strong tendancy to induce an overwhelming crushing state of depression.



Dose dependant to a degree too. i.e. took 18.333333 mg's one day.


Next morn, I felt quite fresh, focussed mentally.


28.3 following day.

Yesterday morning, I was crushingly depressed. No will for life or focus.




Prob good thing, incitement to dose less maybe.



Bromazolam isn't straight sedating vs say Ambien, even Temazzies but...


Vs Etiz, it's a real sleep aider, harder to wake to snappily from IME however long sleep.


But not like RC Clonozolam. Crazy strong. 0.5 mg way more to me, vs 2.5 mg's Etiz.


Nearly straight asleep, blinked 7 hours, nice but ev time (2 or 3 max only) I felt irritable, pent up, restless, bit skin crawly not myself for 12 hrs about after waking from one 0.5 mg dose Clonozolam.



Broma not THAT way. But it has an un-etiz nature of instilling an overcasting dark depression, despondancy.




I've had 15 mg's today 3 pm now, plus that awesone Melo Melo kava, goid weed.




Plan f now = aim under 20 mg's Bromazolam a day, work to reduce down, and see.


So so much additional separate heavy shit on my plate though, so full objectivity is obscured.

 

[Fertile]

So so much additional separate heavy shit on my plate though, so full objectivity is obscured.

Great report - hope you are better soon.

 

[Bleaney]

I've felt quite a lot better today having not had any bromozolam the night before. Not sure if it's a bad batch or something but it definitely makes me feel a lot worse for wear than either Alpazolam or etizolam does. KInd of feels like I'd taken really big doses of either, say more than 5mg or even more. Ok so on the first night I did have 3mg of bromozolam (to counteract modafinil) but on the 2nd night I only had 1 mg. Definitely not a fan. I suppose it helps me sleep at the time, but the fuckedness on the following day is probably worse than lack of sleep. So it's completely counter-productive for me in that regard.

Anyway, fortunately when I showed the vendor my Wedinos test results I immediately got an apology and a re-shipment offer of my choice. Some Clonazepam was promptly dispatched. So nothing was actually lost I suppose.

 

[Fertile]

If it's producing a notable hangover, it's possibly not bromazolam. Be it 8-Br or 8-Cl, 2-hydroxylation should mean on a chronic dose schedule you would need to take TID. It's worth mentioning that the intermediates are the thioamide and the acetylhydrazide. The former is active, the latter should not be, but it's not something you would want left in there.

For pyrazolam we got peaks for those 2 intermediates and used column chromatography to clean up. I do not imagine the Chinese do this. People have shown me yellow 'pyrazolam' and this isn't right. That's the thioamide OR the unidentified side-product that meant we started again using different conditions.

 

[Fertile]

BTW write in the usual address if you know what the MW 372.4 impurity is. We could NOT figure out what it was. I mean, One guy looked at GC-MS and asked me... I didn't know either.

 

[JackARoe]

I have only had bromazolam 3 times. I am also using it to replace etizolam on the odd night that I need it which is rarely. If I stick with 1.5 mgs or less (usually 1 mg) I can sleep and not wake up affected the next day. I have not taken a larger dose. Feels like diazepam to me. But much shorter. The reports of people taking 2 mgs and feeling it the whole next day confuse me. Diazepam would do that. But my experience with bromazolam matches the Tripsit info. Much shorter. I sometimes think unless we test our stuff we don't know what we have. I sometimes think people do have flubromazolam instead of bromazolam but what do I know?

One of these days I will take a bigger dose and see if it lasts into the next day. But you know what? If what I have is not bromazolam but something shorter lasting than whatever I have I will take.

But I do now see what people mean by "stimulating benzos". Alprazolam, etizolam etc. Sometime I get an initial boost of energy however that is only pleasant sometimes. Most times it is agitation waiting for the benzo to hit. I would like to say that etizolam or alprazolam are mood lifting but not the case for me. I can feel stimulated, flattened and just angry. Something like diazepam just relaxes me. However after an hour all benzos feel the same to me.

But yeah, I was waiting for Autotripper to chime in as I value his opinion. (glad it helps you sleep better AT, I remember you saying even 20 mgs of etiz only keeps you asleep for a few hours)

 

[Fertile]

Well, the sheer variety of subjective effects would be an explanation for why it never got a licence. BLs being sent other things in place of the compound specified would be another.

I've seen these people. When a compound is controlled, the less dubious vendors sell it in bulk to the more dubious who then sell it as whatever is the 'hot' product de jour.

 

[matt<3ketamine]

Matt´s example must be one of those exceptional cases such as people coming out of rehab with no tolerance and (still ) with traces of whatever meds they were given in there ...1st day out they assume they still can handle that which they used to .
Exceptions such as lack of tolerance ,( relatively rare) health issues ...things of that nature. I maintain that " 2 Mgs of Alprazolam +a bag of Gear is perfectly safe " .
Jokes aside . What do I exactly base the above conclusion in ? Sth which I´m hardly proud of -half my adult life in on and off addiction mode ,thus having been present at literally thousands of instances where people were doing pretty much everything combined.
One of the few times I was forced to call an ambulance ( for that type of combination ) was when some geezer decided that 10mgs of Diazepam = 10 mgs of Alprazolam ,so ,down he chased the entire blister with 160ml of Methadone. Despite my best efforts ,they deemed it a "suicide attempt " so he got 1 month of compulsory psychological care at some Hospital´s psych ward.

Actually, there is another little detail which is pretty revealing as to where mattketamine is coming from : namely, the shoplifting episode without even recalling it proper .
When do we behave like this while under the influence of a benzo? "When we are yet to develop a tolerance to one " (envy that actually ) would be the answer.
One way or another ,I thank matt for bringing this up cause ,yes , I should had added that "it is safe " if you are already experienced with both substances ...people who are new to Brown,in particular ,should tread very carefully before they get into these combos ...
Yeah , nice one ..."100% " comes with a few conditions I downplayed to some extent .

On a final note , sorry for being yet to address those interesting links you sent me about combos and the peculiar effects they have on individuals ,but I just know that it will be extensive with a lot of personal views and opinions ... lot of headache tbph .
One thing is certain ,there is always this Fear of staying in the zone permanently ...that Fear never truly goes away. I´m feeling it now as I ramble away . And it´s only been a couple of months since I last relapsed.
At the same time , I´m also aware from previous detoxes that after a few months/ (if lucky weeks ) of living drug free, meaningful relationships and a functional social life ( this is what works for me, if some people think that they are better off taking any type of medication , who am I to dispute that ? ) . You just stare back at these periods with a mixture of shame and disbelief.
Speak of which , this post just reminded me of a The Birthday Party tune from my youth which I naturally still enjoy ... namely " scatterbrain "... next on the playlist ...
Take care !

"Matt´s example must be one of those exceptional cases such as people coming out of rehab with no tolerance"
i can assure you that was not the case at all, me and my fella had multiple people for it and one guy's stuff was too much for me this time whilst my mate was fine.
Old posts on here would show that i used and abused both at the same time so im no angel myself but it just takes one bag and one bar sometimes, wasn't someone who went to rehab or has been opioid free since his very late-teens (oxycodone and fentanyl use started around the year i joined here, if you can find those posts ever) so i was quite experienced by the time this happened, which was late into my gear 'career'. i think my asthma probably played a big part my constant OD's

 

[matt<3ketamine]

Just had 1 and a quarter x 2.5mg lorazepam pill and holy crap is it a nice dose. im quite relaxed
ive always wondered this, most benzos are for obv dealing with anxiety but just what is lorazepam uniquely mainly used for?
Diazepam is best for muscle relaxant properties, alprazolam is a great anti-anxiolytic, nitrazepam is great for sleep. so what makes lorazepam special?
i mostly know it ford when people are having a psychotic episode and they get the IV out. fella near got gave it when he had an episode before his liver transplant with encephalopathy, TL;dr woke up in a hospital trying to fight off nurses and just got there before they hit him with it