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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip
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Fertile
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No - nitrazepam, flunitrazepam & clobazam are by far the most common items found in cases of suicide in which no other drugs were found.
A Swedish study showed that 78% of fatal benzo overdose are due to nitrobenzodiazepines.
Temazepam was chosen as a hypnotic because of it's safety in overdose. As an example, people have survived over 4 oz i.e. over 112 grams were survived without the use of intubation or use of medication to reverse the effect of benzos.
Of course, mixed with other medications or drugs (alcohol, opioids, tricyclic antidepressants and so on) make them all very dangerous.
Alprazolam is as safe as diazepam - but it's just much stronger so easier to get into serious overdose amounts.
Who was that idiot who took methadone, temazepam and other downers live on air? His past post was 'I told you I was hardcore' and then he died.
I find it difficult to feel sorry for him. Purposefully overdosing to prove some kind of superiority and resulting in death seems self-inflicted. I mean, I feel bad for his family, but what did we lose? A gas pup attendant? It's the fact he caused harm to others in his attempt to prove his greatness that seems selfish and stupid.
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I read somewhere that Nitrazepam and Clonazepam are worse on your liver than other Benzos - is that true?
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The truth is that RC vendors - who know ZERO about medicinal chemistry are simply looking for the next cheapest )cost per dose) of 1,4-benzodiazepines. They are venturing into areas where no research has taken place and so who knows if any if any of these novel compounds have a serious toxic design fault.
I've mentioned it before but almost as much work went into the 1,5-benzodiazepines including examples at least as potent as the novel 1,4-benzos. It also shows they have no insight because phenazepam can be converted to mephenazepam in 1 step with ?99% yield. But they rip off customers so much, cost isn't considered.
https://ibb.co/3shSw8Z
The reaction is mediated' by phenyl trimethylammonium iodide. It's quite new, only been around for 3 years but N-methylation of amdes gives almost quantitative yield.
The -CH3 is swapped for the -H and so the end-products are the N-methylated amides and anilinium.
But the 1,5-benzodiazepines offer a totally new class with at least as many analogues (more in fact).
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I've mentioned it before but almost as much work went into the 1,5-benzodiazepines including examples at least as potent as the novel 1,4-benzos. It also shows they have no insight because phenazepam can be converted to mephenazepam in 1 step with ?99% yield. But they rip off customers so much, cost isn't considered.
https://ibb.co/3shSw8Z
The reaction is mediated' by phenyl trimethylammonium iodide. It's quite new, only been around for 3 years but N-methylation of amdes gives almost quantitative yield.
The -CH3 is swapped for the -H and so the end-products are the N-methylated amides and anilinium.
But the 1,5-benzodiazepines offer a totally new class with at least as many analogues (more in fact).
opiofr3k
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i had on my mind classic benzodiazepines, like diazepam, lorazepam, clonazepam, alprazolam etc. and i didn't include death rate. I've said that kpins are most dangerous cause they are so easy to get even from a doctor prescripted. In Poland box of 30 x2mg cost few pound, visit like max 20 and you dont even have to lie. Rivotril in UK is everywhere on clearnet. Same with rest of europe. Too easy to loose control on them. About RC benzo i didn't even include them, that's diff category, thienodiazepine. But ofc that's my personal opinion from my experience and observations.
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As I remarked - Swedish figures show that nitrazepam, flunitrazepam and clonazepam were alone responsible for 78% of intentional fatal drug overdoses. So no alcohol or other CNS depressants involved - just the nitrobenzodiazepine alone.
There is a biochemical reason why the nitrobenzodiazepines are much more toxic in overdose.
At the other end of the spectrum, people have survived 4 grams of diazepam without any long-term problems.
Without a doubt the 1,5-benzodiazepines are by far the safest - take 560mg of clobazam and you just sleep for 3 days.
As I've pointed out, their are some highly potent 1,5-benzodiazepines and many to make... but RC vendors don't have a f**king clue about potency and safety. That's why Scotland is seeing a huge number of 'street valium' deaths which are simply any benzo to hand made to look like blue (10mg) diazepam tablets.
https://ibb.co/HDtFVrt
The above is potent with 0.25mg = 10mg diazepam
There is a biochemical reason why the nitrobenzodiazepines are much more toxic in overdose.
At the other end of the spectrum, people have survived 4 grams of diazepam without any long-term problems.
Without a doubt the 1,5-benzodiazepines are by far the safest - take 560mg of clobazam and you just sleep for 3 days.
As I've pointed out, their are some highly potent 1,5-benzodiazepines and many to make... but RC vendors don't have a f**king clue about potency and safety. That's why Scotland is seeing a huge number of 'street valium' deaths which are simply any benzo to hand made to look like blue (10mg) diazepam tablets.
https://ibb.co/HDtFVrt
The above is potent with 0.25mg = 10mg diazepam
I’ve been taking the bensiden diazepam for a long time, thinking they were 10mg. I got to 40mg daily, and was on that for about 6 months. Eventually I decided to quit.
I was put on a reduction programme and the brand I was given from the chemist was accord. Now, taking the official, prescribed pills from the chemist made me realise….those galenikas are NOT 10mg.
My estimate is about 5mg. Clean yes, but also under dosed.
I was put on a reduction programme and the brand I was given from the chemist was accord. Now, taking the official, prescribed pills from the chemist made me realise….those galenikas are NOT 10mg.
My estimate is about 5mg. Clean yes, but also under dosed.
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So Clonzepam is significantly more dangerous than Xanax, Diazepam, Temazepam etc in overdose?
For me Clonazepam's the only easily-obtainable Benzo that it most likely to be genuine (so many of the others are faked now). For someone with no tolerance, what would you think could be a dangerously high Clonazepam dose? I know it depends on many factors, but would be interested to hear your estimate at least
axe battler
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I reckon the fact clonazepam is usually what it says in the tin would make it less dangerous tbf. It's more likely that people have scripts for it and so are most likely to have it to hand with a couple bottles of vodka in order to intentionally OD. I believe flubromazolam was responsible for a lot of accidental OD's, so I'd probably stick with the legit clonazepam if you're not taking stupid amounts with opiates/booze.
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ALL of the nitrobenzodiazepines appear to be rather toxic in overdose situations. So yes, for many clobazam will be the easiest to obtain, but like I said, people have survived multiple grams of diazepam whereas it seems a month's supply of a nitrobenzodiazepine is the chosen suicide route in some nations.
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But Clonazepam I was asking about - I've never even seen Clobazam
axe battler
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You're not missing much, it's pretty nothingy IMO.
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Well I've certainly been tempted to try Benzos + an opiate, I haven't yet. Genuine Clonazepam's easier to get hold of, but if it really is far easier to accidenally and fatally OD on it compared to Xanax/Valium (as Fertile suggested) then I'd probably not want to use it again.
I would never knowingly take Flubro or any of those other designer RC benzos
F.U.B.A.R.
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I dunno, but clonazepam, methadone and Amphetamine Sulphate was my preferred breakfast for a while.
Things didn't really go tits up until my phenezepam, vodka and methadone breakfasts took hold...
N.B. These are ridiculously dangerous combinations of drugs that took years of practice to endure. Don't do as I did, it could kill you.
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Phenazepam has always been a car crash waiting to happen. Everyone knows that even as they start down that road. Knowing that never seems to deter anyone though. It's like it pushes some kind of irresistible self-destruct button or something.
(I know from personal experience, and the many first hand accounts seen on here)
(I know from personal experience, and the many first hand accounts seen on here)
F.U.B.A.R.
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QFT. I seem to have a self destruct gene, I don't even need a button...
SpiralusSancti
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I usually equate toxic in OD = probably as toxic otherwise, just less; I know it isn't a rule tho
I do love some really toxic in OD stuff, like BDF which is one of best psychedelics used carefully and even it feels LESS toxic than VERY safe stuff if used properly I’m still pretty sure something that kills you at few times the amount from strong dose, and might permanently damage even with ½+ of a really strong dose probably isn’t good even at low doses BUT I know how exactly (well more or less) it causes damage but don’t know that much about nitrobenzos honestly and find them sketchy stuff at best, plain toxic shit at worse with zero reason to use them instead much safer alternatives.
axe battler
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I don't think clonazepam is a nitrobenzodiazepine. I think he's getting it mixed up with clonazolam as clobezam isn't a nitro either, but clonazolam is.
I think clonazepam is commonly used in INTENTIONAL suicides as it's a very commonly prescribed psych med, especially in the USA.
I think clonazepam is commonly used in INTENTIONAL suicides as it's a very commonly prescribed psych med, especially in the USA.