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EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

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mydrugbuddy said:
Thats great. Do you want to share your planned way of doing it, and your thoughts and feelings about it ? It could be usefull to other members.
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My way can't really help others mate, was not that deep in, all tho' deep enough for me it was. But I am only doing 1 pellet of dicla atm, was up with 3-4 a day before that and before that I was eating etiz pellets like candy.

+ Im a daily drinker so guess it has helped me a little.
 
benzoman12345 said:
When I 1st tried Pyraz I thought they were the be all and end all, just pure chilled with no side effects whatsoever, but as usual tolerance creeps up, and then I discovered Xanax and Clonazepam lol
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It was the other way round for me - when i worked as a nurse I had unlimited access to chlordiazipoxide, diazepam, lorazpeam (we used to use this to restrain violent patients) and of course the daddy and personal fave, clonazepam. Since I dont work in a hospital anymore Ive only been able to get diazepam - my doc lets me have 56 5mg tablets every year (2 boxes every 6b months or so.

SO Now I use the rcs and try to keep a stash of flubromazepam, diclazepam, pyraz and a few etilaam slips (i missed the boat on the phenazepam). I dont take the flubro much as they are really expensive. While the rcs, are not not quite as good as the pharm grade benzos thye still do the trick, only problem is you need loads of them. I think Im one of the few people to rate the pyrazolam, while i like the sedating compounds for sleep I really enjoy the nice floaty anxiolitic effect they give me but again, you need a fair few of them (3mg / thats like 6 yellow sweeties?) and rapid tolerance seems to be an issue with all of them. I usually mix and match pyraz 1st then the diclaz to knck me out as the pyraz knoks off.

To be fair tho i have been taking too many, so now i have a nice portion of this good kit im going to use promethazine for sleep and opiate potentiation. I havvt had any benzos in 48 hours now and plan not to take any untill I run out of gear
 
I got 10 Diclaz pellets through old loyalty points today, actually chilled me out quite nice with 4 valium and a Librium of course lol
 
Meh decided to just cut from 2mg too 1mg, its not like my doctor even expects me to cut to that over the next 2 weeks. I could always crack the pills in to tiny little bits and take half a 1mg before coming off i guess

I got work 5 days a week now so it makes coming off them a bit urghh even though my job is Cushty. I dont want to be crawling out my skin at work
 
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Sometimes its good to have something to do, as it can help take your mind off things, and distract you a bit. I think thats better than having no distracions and just being acutely aware of all the symptoms. Allthough of course if it gets too rough and you cant sleep and stuff its not gonna be a walk in the park.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
How long has it been and how are you feeling ?
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Was just 1 day but felt I didn't need em anymore, I feel half sick everyday almost because of my "puke-thing" / that the AH did too me. Do not looks like it have health all..

But yesterday my new upstairs neighbor moved in, and I have only bad paranoia memories with people livin above me. So hell started, the last 5 dicla I had down, and 1 now (number 6).

But Its done with em benzos now for me.
 
Things should get better over time. If you are still really struggling in a few weeks I'd go and see a doctor and explain everything to them. I dunno if you are on any medications, but Mirtazapine is meant to be good for coming off drugs, and its calming and helps with sleep. You may find things improve and not need any medication, it just takes time for your brain chemistry to adjust and find a new equilibrium. But i.m.e. of coming off opiates, that was beginning to happen after 11 days, i started to feel really good without opis. If you can do it without any meds then all the better, but they may help if things are too difficult otherwise, prescrbed meds have got to better than relapsing onto PV or benzos, if you want to get off these things.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Sometimes its good to have something to do, as it can help take your mind off things, and distract you a bit. I think thats better than having no distracions and just being acutely aware of all the symptoms. Allthough of course if it gets too rough and you cant sleep and stuff its not gonna be a walk in the park.
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Yeah i was pretty much jobless for a year and half despite crappy agency work that didnt last long that alone kicks your confidence down alot. The lower the dose i come off the better really and im not drinking atm what so ever. But you're right i got myself a decent job at first i was nervous as fk but now im settled life seems alot better atm the problem with not having a job is you have too much time to think.

I still have a couple of emergency 5mg pills, so if i just stick with 1mg now i will have even more spares when i tell the doc i have been taking 2mg. They always see it like Eurrghhh if we give an addict more then he needs he will use them but i simply wont. Its kind of like cigs if you got plenty of them then you dont need to worry or stress
 
Yeah, i allways like to have enough etizolam in to be able to complete a gradual taper. It brings peace of mind just knowing you have it, and dont need to worry about any future supply problems if you allways have a goodly ammount in. I need to get cracking with this taper, as i want it to finish mid summer. I got down to 14.5 mg i think before i got a little bit more thai kratom in this week which temporarily pushed my dose up again. Ive used all my kratom now, and really shouldnt order any more stimulating strains until ive complted this etiz taper, as it completely fucks things up, sleep wise, with all that adrenergieric stuff going on.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Yeah, i allways like to have enough etizolam in to be able to complete a gradual taper. It brings peace of mind just knowing you have it, and dont need to worry about any future supply problems if you allways have a goodly ammount in. I need to get cracking with this taper, as i want it to finish mid summer. I got down to 14.5 mg i think before i got a little bit more thai kratom in this week which temporarily pushed my dose up again. Ive used all my kratom now, and really shouldnt order any more stimulating strains until ive complted this etiz taper, as it completely fucks things up, sleep wise, with all that adrenergieric stuff going on.
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Seriously MDB if your tapers going well then stay the course but in medicine docs always use long acting drugs for benzo tapers, always chlordiazopoxide or diazepam. Seriously consider getting yourself both 2mg and 1mg diclazapam, and you can transfer in one day. The first day you dont have any etiz, start taking the 2mg diclaz untill your wds are under control. Then you can drop by 1mg a week, then when you get stable on 1mg diclaz a day start alternating the days you use them. Then go to 1mg every 3 days - when you get to the stage that you can go a few days without your nearly home. There will always be some residual withdrawal but as the diclazepam comes out of your system more gradually the bump at the end will be alot more gentle. You'll find as well that you'll only have to dose once a day, rather than having to have an etiz every few hours, watching the clock while crawling out of your skin
 
Cheers for the advice. I allready have the etiz though, and theres not a cats in hells chance im gonna flush it. As im still on a relatively high dose, the stuff you are talking about wont matter too much for several weeks. But when my dose starts getting low, i will look into what you suggest, and probably do as you suggest. Either with diclazepam or flubromazepam as that has a long half life too. Can you get diclaz in powder form ? Mods, thats just a general question not asking for sources. ;)

Im currently on 14.5 mg of etiz so i have fuck of a long way to go. Gonna be dropping by half a mg a week for a while, until i get down to 6mg or something like that. Then I'll make the switch.

Whats the roughly equivalent strength of diclaz compared to etiz ? I believe 1mg of etiz = ~8mg of flubromazepam.
 
I was fucking amazed 2mg of etiz put me to sleep this morning for a few hours.

mydrugbuddy said:
Either with diclazepam or flubromazepam as that has a long half life too. Can you get diclaz in powder form ? Mods, thats just a general question not asking for sources.

Im currently on 14.5 mg of etiz so i have fuck of a long way to go. Gonna be dropping by half a mg a week for a while, until i get down to 6mg or something like that. Then I'll make the switch.

Whats the roughly equivalent strength of diclaz compared to etiz ? I believe 1mg of etiz = ~8mg of flubromazepam.
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Posts here might help you out, knowing that 1mg etiz is roughly equivalent to 10mg diaz and the same seems to be true re: 1mg Diclaz is ~ 10mg diaz and *snip* seems to suggest the same, and also that it has a half life equivalent to Diaz, which would make sense.. I considered Flubro for withdrawals but Diclazepam is a lot more cost effective if you're doing a steady taper. Both Flubro and Diclaz have similar half lives so would help with tapering more than Etizolam, but Flubromazepam has always left me feeling a lot more impaired than Diclazepam has in the days after.

Have you tried Diclaz before, MDB? Sorry if you've mentioned this, tired and not read all of the thread.
 
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Yeah i tried it, i cant remember what i thought of it though. The fact that i didnt re-order might mean something, maybe it was just a cost issue. The memory problems are causing quite a lot of issues. I'll try and find my posts on the threads about it, i probably made some comments about what i thought of it, but have no recollection of taking it or posting about it at all. 8)

Thanks for the links, that second one is especially good, and that thread is just what i was looking for, so it seems to be roughly the same strength as etiz, though some sy its twice as strong. That's interesting. Ah, white pills, i have one, i didnt know what it was, it must be a diclazepam. I'll try it tonight.
 
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Glad to be of some use! Attempting same myself so...

From my experience with Diclazepam, the 1mg greens that were initially being sold were shite. The purple 2mgs would give me a nice sense of cosiness, relaxation, and mild memory loss in the same way you can drive somewhere and arrive without much recollection of the journey, if you get what I mean?

Waiting for a report on the whites myself, will see what I can find out.
 
Pyrazolam are generally a light yellow.

With regard to Diclaz, at the time I took it recreationally, with a mild tolerance, taking maybe 10mg etiz a day. 10mg of Diclaz had me cosy, with zero anxiety and didn't sedate me too much. To give a really sad example, I took the 10mg and then did a two hour long WoW raid with my friend. I remember the entire thing, but in a slightly fuzzy dreamy way. 10mg of etiz then would have knocked me out but same of Diclaz had me awake for a while after that and then I slept very well.

Obviously that's recreational though but just wanted to give a comparison. I have never tapered properly and will be following this thread and particularly your posts and related ones to pick up info myself.
 
Erk, hopefully it's something harmless/inert/nice. Assume you'll be ok but do be careful <3
 
Okay if you're one of those, like me, who found pyrazolam to be drastically underwhelming, as in having to neck 6 just to feel what my mother's valerian root tincture would have done, then I stronly suggest you exploit it's water solubility.

I necked 4 of the fuckers today, a few hours in, almost nothing, crushed one into a powder, fine powder, snorted it and baam, I had trouble walking straight.

I guess from now on I'm only going to snort these. Fucking hell what a difference.

Tomorrow morning I'm going to try and snort one before having anything else in my system, just to see how more effective they are this way.
 
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